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  • #51
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    well I think its natural uglyness just underlines the contens

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    • #52
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      What Mukuch said . Al Jazeera posted it too, thought it was a good idea
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      • #53
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        Originally posted by Federate View Post
        What Mukuch said . Al Jazeera posted it too, thought it was a good idea
        I find it strange how Turks think they can keep their state united much longer, Kurds already are large majorities in what they call Kurdistan; also brutal repression can only hold a state together for so long. This time round they won't get a chance to genocide, there is no ww1 to cover it up; and the world is watching (even if Obama has his head in the sand, many members of Congress don't).

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        • #54
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          Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post
          I find it strange how Turks think they can keep their state united much longer, Kurds already are large majorities in what they call Kurdistan; also brutal repression can only hold a state together for so long. This time round they won't get a chance to genocide, there is no ww1 to cover it up; and the world is watching (even if Obama has his head in the sand, many members of Congress don't).
          The Turkish State is inexorably adopting a Sunni Nationalist ideology. Kurds will inevitably become assimilated Turks through Sunni Nationalism; this is why the PKK is reacting so violently against Erdogan. They know very well that AKP, unlike the (formerly) Ataturkist State, represents an existential threat.

          Soon, Turkish and Sunni identity will become one. Sunni Nationalism is what caused the Armenian Genocide.

          Start preparing now. Seriously, you will be nostalgic of the Kemalist days very soon.

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          • #55
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            Originally posted by egeli View Post
            The Turkish State is inexorably adopting a Sunni Nationalist ideology. Kurds will inevitably become assimilated Turks through Sunni Nationalism; this is why the PKK is reacting so violently against Erdogan. They know very well that AKP, unlike the (formerly) Ataturkist State, represents an existential threat.

            Soon, Turkish and Sunni identity will become one. Sunni Nationalism is what caused the Armenian Genocide.

            Start preparing now. Seriously, you will be nostalgic of the Kemalist days very soon.
            What will Turkey do that it hasn't done until now? Attack Armenia maybe? Or something else? I don't see how well this Sunni will Nationalism go down in the Kremlin and Brussels.

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            • #56
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              Originally posted by egeli View Post
              The Turkish State is inexorably adopting a Sunni Nationalist ideology. Kurds will inevitably become assimilated Turks through Sunni Nationalism; this is why the PKK is reacting so violently against Erdogan. They know very well that AKP, unlike the (formerly) Ataturkist State, represents an existential threat.

              Soon, Turkish and Sunni identity will become one. Sunni Nationalism is what caused the Armenian Genocide.

              Start preparing now. Seriously, you will be nostalgic of the Kemalist days very soon.

              Let us assume that you are correct and turkey does become a sunni nationalist state. Do you think its sponsors in the west will let it do what it pleases? Two things will happen, either this new turkish sunni nationalist state will be working in conjunction and under the west, like turkey does (for the most part) now, or there will be a true break between the two and then turkey will become another pariah state, in the eyes of the west, like Iran currently.

              Also, kurds have managed to escape assimilation for about 2000 years now, you really think they'll assimilate, with the turks nonetheless, in a few decades? Fat chance.

              Another point to consider, the secular kemalist factions of turkish society will not take sunni nationalism being imposed on them without putting up a fight.
              For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
              to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



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              • #57
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                Originally posted by Armanen
                Also, kurds have managed to escape assimilation for about 2000 years now, you really think they'll assimilate, with the turks nonetheless, in a few decades? Fat chance.
                Ottoman Empire was an Islamic empire, not a Turkish empire. There was no concept of Turkish Nationalism before the 19th century, and even after then it took another century before Nationalism spread to Anatolian Muslims. Kurds WERE Ottoman "Turks" , because they were Sunni Muslim. As an Armenian, you should be aware that the Genocide was mostly executed by ethnic Kurds. Urban Turkic Nationalists exploited rural Islam as a means to purge Armenians from Anatolia.
                Last edited by egeli; 06-04-2011, 08:27 PM.

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                • #58
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                  Originally posted by egeli View Post
                  Ottoman Empire was an Islamic empire, not a Turkish empire. There was no concept of Turkish Nationalism before the 19th century, and even after then it took another century before Nationalism spread to Anatolian Muslims. Kurds WERE Ottoman "Turks" , because they were Sunni Muslim. As an Armenian, you should be aware that the Genocide was mostly executed by ethnic Kurds. Urban Turkic Nationalists exploited rural Islam as a means to purge Armenians from Anatolia.
                  The ottoman empire was an islamic empire, it was also a turkic empire as well. During its different phases one aspect or another was encouraged as the form of the empire, but the bottomline is that the ottoman empire encouraged the peoples under its rule to adopt islam and to speak the turkish language. Under kemal the notion of turkishness was further expaned upon and the islamic factor was dropped.

                  I am well aware of the role the kurds played in the Armenian Genocide. And no kurds were not ottoman turks, they were ottoman citizens which is not the same thing.
                  For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                  to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



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                  • #59
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                    Turks await results in pivotal parliamentary election

                    Istanbul, Turkey (CNN) -- Officials in Turkey began tallying votes in potentially pivotal parliamentary elections after polls closed Sunday, and partial results were expected later in the day.

                    Fifteen parties are competing, as well as more than 200 independent candidates, for 550 seats in Turkey's next parliament.

                    As polls closed, reports began emerging of altercations and arrests at a fraction of the thousands of polling stations across the country. In the eastern town of Batman and the Aegean city of Izmir, police detained dozens suspects accused of trying to intimidate voters, the semi-official Anatolian Agency reported.

                    Meanwhile, in the capital of Ankara, police fired in the air to disperse a crowd that accused five members of the ruling political party of trying to enter a polling station, carrying counterfeit ballots, Anatolian also reported.

                    Ziynet Demirboga, an 84-year-old whose granddaughters escorted her to a polling station in Istanbul on a sunny Sunday afternoon, said, "I've been voting for more than 50 years. God willing, Erdogan will win."

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                    http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe...html?hpt=hp_t2
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                    • #60
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                      Erdogan and AK party win a reduced majority, CHP comes in second with increased seats. Erdogan and AK failed a sought-after two-thirds majority in order to unilaterally re-write the consitution. Rumours had it that he wanted to turn Turkey to a presidential system with more power to the executive.
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