Traditional man and country

[Sako]

Re: Traditional man and country

You forget humans ARE animals.

Yeah ... with a mind and senses much more advanced then any other creature on earth! That's what makes us different from animals.

Dogs don't practice serial monogomy.

...But they have sex with whichever female dog they like. Have you ever seen a dog screw her own pup? I have. My point is that serial monogomy is very similar to independant sex ... you just call it serial monogomy and I call it outrageous.

I am sure in this town you mentioned people have possesions they do not share.

Which is natural but that doesn't affect their relationship with everyone else in that town. You should also remember that in this big place, everyone lives proper, simple lives. The gov., modernization ... NOTHING affects them.

You should ALSO remember that in YOUR town, everyone got screwed when money and everything found them, lol. In this town, everything continued normally. You know why? Because everyone lived like REAL human beings...not like animals.

Even the concept of marriage is devised from owning a human being.

My views stem from years of studying and research plus other life experiences. Serial monogomy is the natural state of human behavior, this is not something i made up but it is a well researched and confirmed fact.

And why don't you think people never lived that way? Divorce doesn't exist because it's right. It exists because people aren't raised properly. It exists because people live in a xxxxed up society. Marriage isn't just something made up and it wasn't devised from "owning a human being". Marriage is the right way of life. Men and Women were created to mate, live together, have children, and raise families. They weren't meant to spread their passion around. This has also been researched and confirmed ... MANY times throughout the centuries.

If you observe people who are financially secure and independent like lets say movie or rock stars (by no means limited to these groups) you will see that these people actually revert to their basic human instinct and prefer a life of serial monogomy without even knowing the term.

You forget to mention that their lives are xxxxed up! You paint a very beautiful picture with your words making it seem like all these financially secure and "independent" individuals live happily ever after. It's the exact OPPOSITE. This type of freedom is what has screwed up this world, Haykakan and you don't need to do much research to understand that.

Our human nature is not wired to be with one partner forever and the institution of marriage/monogomy is a byproduct of economics.

I could say the exact opposite. Please prove your point.

People stayed togather and did not get divorced as much before because they were dependent on each other economicaly.

What/Which people are you talking about?

When this dependence is no longer needed (ie. both partners have a good paying job) you see divorce rates skyrocket.Humans are a very adaptable species and unlike some other animals we can change our social habits to better help us survive and prosper.Marriage and monogomy are examples of humans adapting to a cituation where changing some social structure allowed people to better survive and prosper in a new environment created around money and possesions.

Lol, is this what your research has led you to believe? I think you've been doing too much research buddy. It's embarrassing reading what you just said. So according to you, people just get married to gain possessions?!?!? I don't think you have any idea what your talking about, my friend, no offense! You need to wake up and smell the roses, figuratively speaking. And something I would like to point out is that divorce rates don't skyrocket because people get money. They skyrocket because people don't know how to love. They don't know how to deal with their money or their limited freedom. Mostly though, couples just argue with each other, don't understand each other, etc. Don't place everything on the economy or possesions. When you say things like this, it shows that you haven't done any research (not that I'm saying you haven't).

As you well know monogomy is not the only thing people are or should be capable of.There are many societies even today that practice things other then monogamy.

Yeah, like Gay marriage, Lesbian marriage, and other crap I don't have time for. I agree, there are small miorities that practice something else as you put it but they are just that ... small minorities.

Man must never have too much independence, Haykakan, because that's where the problems begin. A humans proper position is to serve, not be completely independent. Freedom comes from knowledge, not money or possesions alone. I suggest you research that because it will open new horizons and help you refine your previous research. Marriage isn't just something that was created for fun and this can be proven more then your theories can.

Again, no offense yekhpayr. We're just having an interesting conversation.

[Haykakan]

Re: Traditional man and country

No, it was an article about trying to deny the effects that sanctions had on the children of Iraq, leaving them malnourished, stunted and hundreds of thousands dead.

It also compared it to 911, but again i ask you what is your point?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Traditional man and country

Ok this is a particularly stupid article because it conects 911 and the first gulf war togather in a laughfably ineffective manner.So what is your point?

No, it was an article about trying to deny the effects that sanctions had on the children of Iraq, leaving them malnourished, stunted and hundreds of thousands dead.

[Haykakan]

Re: Traditional man and country

But, you said you were an animal... your words, not mine. Why are you insulted?

I was not raised by wolves and i am hardly anyones footstool.Quite frankly i am tired of your ignorent and offencive remarks and i ask the moderator to intervene.I am still trying to limit my hostility twords you but ignorent and offencive i think describe you quit accuratly.

[Haykakan]

Re: Traditional man and country

I suggest you read this http://reason.com/news/show/28346.html

Ok this is a particularly stupid article because it conects 911 and the first gulf war togather in a laughfably ineffective manner.So what is your point?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Traditional man and country

So much for my consious effort of trying not to criticise you when answering your questions or comments.If you do not have anything of substance to say then please don't say it.

But, you said you were an animal... your words, not mine. Why are you insulted?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Traditional man and country

Polygamy like monogamy is a artificial state for humans.Serial monogamy is not polygimy.My point is that neither polygamy nor monogamy are truely "human" conditions but are the results of social and economic structures. Many animals have laws, imprison and enslave other animals.Animals do not do a better job at protacting their offsprings then humans, just chekout the offspring mortality rates for any animal then compare them to human child mortality rates, it is not even anywhere near close.

I suggest you read this http://reason.com/news/show/28346.html

[Haykakan]

Re: Traditional man and country

Just because you were raised by wolves doesn't mean I was.... if you think you're an animal then you'll make a nice pet for somebody who thinks higher of themselves.

So much for my consious effort of trying not to criticise you when answering your questions or comments.If you do not have anything of substance to say then please don't say it.

[Haykakan]

Re: Traditional man and country

Yes, and polygamy is also tied to social structure and economics. And your point is? I don't see animals making laws, imprisoning other animals, enslaving other animals..... yet most animals do a better job of protecting their offspring than humans.

Polygamy like monogamy is a artificial state for humans.Serial monogamy is not polygimy.My point is that neither polygamy nor monogamy are truely "human" conditions but are the results of social and economic structures. Many animals have laws, imprison and enslave other animals.Animals do not do a better job at protacting their offsprings then humans, just chekout the offspring mortality rates for any animal then compare them to human child mortality rates, it is not even anywhere near close.

[jgk3]

Re: A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

There is nothing spiritual about young men and women dying in wars that old men and women dream up. However, spirituality is a product of human suffering. The world needs balance, for every negative event that occurs, a positive event is born.

War, in its more technologically/logistically primitive yet metaphysically inspired and rich sense, was traditionally about the initiated in a society to show through bearing of arms and risking their own lives against the enemy, their devotion to their tribe. This is why warriors have been so decorated, why cults of honour have been made for them and why they have received reverence by their folk men and women.

I agree that it is hard to see anything spiritual about modern wars, or wars that are fought over commercial reasons that satisfy the needs of oligarchs. By contrast, it is not so hard to see the spirituality of war with the Armenian fedayeen, who fight for the survival of their people. I like to discriminate between wars according to this dichotomy, weighing the different elements that are the cause and reason for the war. By doing this, you will avoid the inanity of over-generalizations like war=bad, or war=enterprise of the greedy.