Turkey and minorities

[Army]

Re: Turkey and minorities

And that shows the depth things are at.

I suppose it is forgivable that this place is rather pathetic a lot of of the time. The Armenian diaspora is, in terms of population group sizes, small. And in Armenia not many people have internet access or use the internet regularly. So there is not a big enough user base for a large number of forums. There are only about 4 or 5 that are active enough to be called proper forums.

But there are 90 million people in Turkey, where even small towns have lots of internet cafes, as well as a big diaspora (and a mostly well-educated and multilingual one in Germany). So why are there no decent Turkey-related forums? Because of the sheer number of possible users, a rate of one decent forum to 20 rabid nationalistic ones should be possible.

Oh, there are thousands of. But there are not any specific forums about Turkish-Armenian or Turkish-Georgian relationships. Maybe subgroups. Maybe its just I dont know any. I am not interested in Turkish domestic politics.

[Gavur]

Re: Turkey and minorities

Most Turkish forums are about Hacking,Porn,nostalgia.

[Armanen]

Re: Turkey and minorities

And that shows the depth things are at.

I suppose it is forgivable that this place is rather pathetic a lot of of the time. The Armenian diaspora is, in terms of population group sizes, small. And in Armenia not many people have internet access or use the internet regularly. So there is not a big enough user base for a large number of forums. There are only about 4 or 5 that are active enough to be called proper forums.

But there are 90 million people in Turkey, where even small towns have lots of internet cafes, as well as a big diaspora (and a mostly well-educated and multilingual one in Germany). So why are there no decent Turkey-related forums? Because of the sheer number of possible users, a rate of one decent forum to 20 rabid nationalistic ones should be possible.

It's interesting that you mention the turkish diaspora in Germany is well educated but do not do the same for the Armenian diaspora. Also, you claim even small turkish towns have cyber cafes, does this include the many towns near the border with the Republic of Armenia? Considering they are dirt poor, like the rest of the eastern turkey aka Western Armenia, it is unlikely.

But this is not the first time you go out of your way to make the turks look better than Armenians.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Turkey and minorities

It's interesting that you mention the turkish diaspora in Germany is well educated but do not do the same for the Armenian diaspora. Also, you claim even small turkish towns have cyber cafes, does this include the many towns near the border with the Republic of Armenia? Considering they are dirt poor, like the rest of the eastern turkey aka Western Armenia, it is unlikely.

But this is not the first time you go out of your way to make the turks look better than Armenians.

I an telling things the way the are - if you wish to be selectively deaf to the truth it will be your loss.

There is an internet cafe in Digor, within sight of the border, and with a population of maybe 4000. Tuzluca, with a similar population, also has one. Kars has several dozen cafes, so has Igdir. I don't know what things are currently like in provincial Armenia, but 5 years ago I was told that except for a single one in Gyumri, there were none outside of Yerevan. And the one in Gyumri was notoriously slow (that bit I know is true - it took me half an hour just to send an email). Internet cafes are everywhere in Turkey - dozens in Van, several in Tatvan, one in Adilcevas, at least a couple in Ercis, etc.

I'm not aware of a substantial Armenian diaspora in Germany. And go anywhere in Turkey in summer and you will meet young (english speaking) Turks or Kurds from Germany who, with their parents, are spending the holidays at their ancestors villages. It's a recent phenomenon - actually this year is the first time I realised how widespread it had become.

[Gavur]

Re: Turkey and minorities

I an telling things the way the are - if you wish to be selectively deaf to the truth it will be your loss.

There is an internet cafe in Digor, within sight of the border, and with a population of maybe 4000. Tuzluca, with a similar population, also has one. Kars has several dozen cafes, so has Igdir. I don't know what things are currently like in provincial Armenia, but 5 years ago I was told that except for a single one in Gyumri, there were none outside of Yerevan. And the one in Gyumri was notoriously slow (that bit I know is true - it took me half an hour just to send an email). Internet cafes are everywhere in Turkey - dozens in Van, several in Tatvan, one in Adilcevas, at least a couple in Ercis, etc.

I'm not aware of a substantial Armenian diaspora in Germany. And go anywhere in Turkey in summer and you will meet young (english speaking) Turks or Kurds from Germany who, with their parents, are spending the holidays at their ancestors villages. It's a recent phenomenon - actually this year is the first time I realised how widespread it had become.

You are right in this observation Bell, I was surprised to find out even 5-6 years ago these cafes started to pop-out even the most obscure places in Turkey.

[Armanen]

Re: Turkey and minorities

I an telling things the way the are - if you wish to be selectively deaf to the truth it will be your loss.

There is an internet cafe in Digor, within sight of the border, and with a population of maybe 4000. Tuzluca, with a similar population, also has one. Kars has several dozen cafes, so has Igdir. I don't know what things are currently like in provincial Armenia, but 5 years ago I was told that except for a single one in Gyumri, there were none outside of Yerevan. And the one in Gyumri was notoriously slow (that bit I know is true - it took me half an hour just to send an email). Internet cafes are everywhere in Turkey - dozens in Van, several in Tatvan, one in Adilcevas, at least a couple in Ercis, etc.

I'm not aware of a substantial Armenian diaspora in Germany. And go anywhere in Turkey in summer and you will meet young (english speaking) Turks or Kurds from Germany who, with their parents, are spending the holidays at their ancestors villages. It's a recent phenomenon - actually this year is the first time I realised how widespread it had become.

So then you admit to not knowing whether Armenian towns have internet cafes or not. A lot has changed since 6 years ago. And I wasn't just talking about the Armenian Diaspora in Germany, I meant in general. I know what you are trying to do, remember that.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Turkey and minorities

So then you admit to not knowing whether Armenian towns have internet cafes or not. A lot has changed since 6 years ago. And I wasn't just talking about the Armenian Diaspora in Germany, I meant in general. I know what you are trying to do, remember that.

Then name those towns. I think you know nothing - all you have is your bigotry and your received opinions, things that you think you can use as easy substitutes for actual knowledge.

Gyumri has a newly opened Information Technology Center, paid for by diaspora funds, so I expect internet access there has improved. And I'm told there is an internet cafe in Stepanakert.

[Armanen]

Re: Turkey and minorities

all you have is your bigotry and your received opinions, things that you think you can use as easy substitutes for actual knowledge.

This is a great description of yourself. You are biased, this has been shown multiple times by other members here.

As for the towns: Jermuk has 2, Gyumri has at least 4, Artashat has 1, Meghri has 2, Goris has 2, Gavar has 1, Alaverdi has 2, Ijevan has 3, Metzamor has 1, Vagharshapat has 2, Kapan has 3.

There is likely to be more that I do not know of, some of the ones I mentioned by have increased or decreased, but I just listed the ones I know of.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Turkey and minorities

I know what you are trying to do, remember that.

You'll be blaming me next for removing links to your website on Wikipedia!

Vagarshapat actually has 3 internet cafe's, but I included them in with Yerevan since it is not really a provincial town.

[Armanen]

Re: Turkey and minorities

You'll be blaming me next for removing links to your website on Wikipedia!

Vagarshapat actually has 3 internet cafe's, but I included them in with Yerevan since it is not really a provincial town.

If you are referring to armenianhighland.com, then it is not my website, I am a fan though