Announcement

Collapse

Forum Rules (Everyone Must Read!!!)

1] What you CAN NOT post.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene

You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)

The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!


2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.

This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.

3] Keep the focus.

Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.

4] Behave as you would in a public location.

This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.

5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.

Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.

6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.

Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.

7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.


- PLEASE READ -

Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.


8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)

If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
See more
See less

Turkey and minorities

Collapse
X
Collapse
 
  • Page of 8
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 template Next
  • #51
    Re: Turkey and minorities

    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    And that shows the depth things are at.

    I suppose it is forgivable that this place is rather pathetic a lot of of the time. The Armenian diaspora is, in terms of population group sizes, small. And in Armenia not many people have internet access or use the internet regularly. So there is not a big enough user base for a large number of forums. There are only about 4 or 5 that are active enough to be called proper forums.

    But there are 90 million people in Turkey, where even small towns have lots of internet cafes, as well as a big diaspora (and a mostly well-educated and multilingual one in Germany). So why are there no decent Turkey-related forums? Because of the sheer number of possible users, a rate of one decent forum to 20 rabid nationalistic ones should be possible.
    Oh, there are thousands of. But there are not any specific forums about Turkish-Armenian or Turkish-Georgian relationships. Maybe subgroups. Maybe its just I dont know any. I am not interested in Turkish domestic politics.

    Comment

    • #52
      Re: Turkey and minorities

      Most Turkish forums are about Hacking,Porn,nostalgia.
      "All truth passes through three stages:
      First, it is ridiculed;
      Second, it is violently opposed; and
      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

      Comment

      • #53
        Re: Turkey and minorities

        Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
        And that shows the depth things are at.

        I suppose it is forgivable that this place is rather pathetic a lot of of the time. The Armenian diaspora is, in terms of population group sizes, small. And in Armenia not many people have internet access or use the internet regularly. So there is not a big enough user base for a large number of forums. There are only about 4 or 5 that are active enough to be called proper forums.

        But there are 90 million people in Turkey, where even small towns have lots of internet cafes, as well as a big diaspora (and a mostly well-educated and multilingual one in Germany). So why are there no decent Turkey-related forums? Because of the sheer number of possible users, a rate of one decent forum to 20 rabid nationalistic ones should be possible.

        It's interesting that you mention the turkish diaspora in Germany is well educated but do not do the same for the Armenian diaspora. Also, you claim even small turkish towns have cyber cafes, does this include the many towns near the border with the Republic of Armenia? Considering they are dirt poor, like the rest of the eastern turkey aka Western Armenia, it is unlikely.

        But this is not the first time you go out of your way to make the turks look better than Armenians.
        For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
        to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



        http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

        Comment

        • #54
          Re: Turkey and minorities

          Originally posted by Armanen View Post
          It's interesting that you mention the turkish diaspora in Germany is well educated but do not do the same for the Armenian diaspora. Also, you claim even small turkish towns have cyber cafes, does this include the many towns near the border with the Republic of Armenia? Considering they are dirt poor, like the rest of the eastern turkey aka Western Armenia, it is unlikely.

          But this is not the first time you go out of your way to make the turks look better than Armenians.
          I an telling things the way the are - if you wish to be selectively deaf to the truth it will be your loss.

          There is an internet cafe in Digor, within sight of the border, and with a population of maybe 4000. Tuzluca, with a similar population, also has one. Kars has several dozen cafes, so has Igdir. I don't know what things are currently like in provincial Armenia, but 5 years ago I was told that except for a single one in Gyumri, there were none outside of Yerevan. And the one in Gyumri was notoriously slow (that bit I know is true - it took me half an hour just to send an email). Internet cafes are everywhere in Turkey - dozens in Van, several in Tatvan, one in Adilcevas, at least a couple in Ercis, etc.

          I'm not aware of a substantial Armenian diaspora in Germany. And go anywhere in Turkey in summer and you will meet young (english speaking) Turks or Kurds from Germany who, with their parents, are spending the holidays at their ancestors villages. It's a recent phenomenon - actually this year is the first time I realised how widespread it had become.
          Last edited by bell-the-cat; 10-12-2009, 06:30 PM.
          Plenipotentiary meow!

          Comment

          • #55
            Re: Turkey and minorities

            Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
            I an telling things the way the are - if you wish to be selectively deaf to the truth it will be your loss.

            There is an internet cafe in Digor, within sight of the border, and with a population of maybe 4000. Tuzluca, with a similar population, also has one. Kars has several dozen cafes, so has Igdir. I don't know what things are currently like in provincial Armenia, but 5 years ago I was told that except for a single one in Gyumri, there were none outside of Yerevan. And the one in Gyumri was notoriously slow (that bit I know is true - it took me half an hour just to send an email). Internet cafes are everywhere in Turkey - dozens in Van, several in Tatvan, one in Adilcevas, at least a couple in Ercis, etc.

            I'm not aware of a substantial Armenian diaspora in Germany. And go anywhere in Turkey in summer and you will meet young (english speaking) Turks or Kurds from Germany who, with their parents, are spending the holidays at their ancestors villages. It's a recent phenomenon - actually this year is the first time I realised how widespread it had become.
            You are right in this observation Bell, I was surprised to find out even 5-6 years ago these cafes started to pop-out even the most obscure places in Turkey.
            "All truth passes through three stages:
            First, it is ridiculed;
            Second, it is violently opposed; and
            Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

            Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

            Comment

            • #56
              Re: Turkey and minorities

              Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
              I an telling things the way the are - if you wish to be selectively deaf to the truth it will be your loss.

              There is an internet cafe in Digor, within sight of the border, and with a population of maybe 4000. Tuzluca, with a similar population, also has one. Kars has several dozen cafes, so has Igdir. I don't know what things are currently like in provincial Armenia, but 5 years ago I was told that except for a single one in Gyumri, there were none outside of Yerevan. And the one in Gyumri was notoriously slow (that bit I know is true - it took me half an hour just to send an email). Internet cafes are everywhere in Turkey - dozens in Van, several in Tatvan, one in Adilcevas, at least a couple in Ercis, etc.

              I'm not aware of a substantial Armenian diaspora in Germany. And go anywhere in Turkey in summer and you will meet young (english speaking) Turks or Kurds from Germany who, with their parents, are spending the holidays at their ancestors villages. It's a recent phenomenon - actually this year is the first time I realised how widespread it had become.

              So then you admit to not knowing whether Armenian towns have internet cafes or not. A lot has changed since 6 years ago. And I wasn't just talking about the Armenian Diaspora in Germany, I meant in general. I know what you are trying to do, remember that.
              For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
              to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



              http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

              Comment

              • #57
                Re: Turkey and minorities

                Originally posted by Armanen View Post
                So then you admit to not knowing whether Armenian towns have internet cafes or not. A lot has changed since 6 years ago. And I wasn't just talking about the Armenian Diaspora in Germany, I meant in general. I know what you are trying to do, remember that.
                Then name those towns. I think you know nothing - all you have is your bigotry and your received opinions, things that you think you can use as easy substitutes for actual knowledge.

                Gyumri has a newly opened Information Technology Center, paid for by diaspora funds, so I expect internet access there has improved. And I'm told there is an internet cafe in Stepanakert.
                Plenipotentiary meow!

                Comment

                • #58
                  Re: Turkey and minorities

                  Originally posted by kitty cat
                  all you have is your bigotry and your received opinions, things that you think you can use as easy substitutes for actual knowledge.

                  This is a great description of yourself. You are biased, this has been shown multiple times by other members here.

                  As for the towns: Jermuk has 2, Gyumri has at least 4, Artashat has 1, Meghri has 2, Goris has 2, Gavar has 1, Alaverdi has 2, Ijevan has 3, Metzamor has 1, Vagharshapat has 2, Kapan has 3.

                  There is likely to be more that I do not know of, some of the ones I mentioned by have increased or decreased, but I just listed the ones I know of.
                  For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                  to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                  http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

                  Comment

                  • #59
                    Re: Turkey and minorities

                    Originally posted by Armanen View Post
                    I know what you are trying to do, remember that.
                    You'll be blaming me next for removing links to your website on Wikipedia!

                    Vagarshapat actually has 3 internet cafe's, but I included them in with Yerevan since it is not really a provincial town.
                    Plenipotentiary meow!

                    Comment

                    • #60
                      Re: Turkey and minorities

                      Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                      You'll be blaming me next for removing links to your website on Wikipedia!

                      Vagarshapat actually has 3 internet cafe's, but I included them in with Yerevan since it is not really a provincial town.
                      If you are referring to armenianhighland.com, then it is not my website, I am a fan though
                      For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                      to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                      http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

                      Comment

                      Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 template Next
                      Working...
                      X