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Why is Haiti so poor? A history of quake-hit island

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  • #41
    Re: Why is Haiti so poor? A history of quake-hit island

    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    "Most likely independent sources that aren't funded by wealthy people with personal agendas."
    Most "independent sources" also have a agenda, can be bought (advertising) or are special interest fronts or government mouth pieces, that merely disseminate propaganda/disinformation. Those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know.

    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    "Those "Haitians" were brought to the island to work in the sugar plantations. They were slaves."
    Yes by the French, not the Americans. Which is why the EU has contributed so much aid. However Haiti is hardly within Europe's sphere.

    Haitians are Africans Bantu's and Haiti is not like Cuba, the Dominican Republic or the other more ethnically mixed Caribbean nations.

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    • #42
      Re: Why is Haiti so poor? A history of quake-hit island

      Originally posted by retro View Post
      Most "independent sources" also have a agenda, can be bought (advertising) or are special interest fronts or government mouth pieces, that merely disseminate propaganda/disinformation. Those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know.
      Those who know but don't agree talk, those who know but want to conceal the truth don't talk. Those who want to conceal the truth with lies talk the loudest.


      Originally posted by retro View Post
      Yes by the French, not the Americans. Which is why the EU has contributed so much aid. However Haiti is hardly within Europe's sphere.
      Napoleon's military had quite a large sphere of influence just like America does today. Should we go over how many landmarks in America have French names? Or how many have Spanish names? Imperialists will use any groups of people at their disposal to do their dirty deeds.
      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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      • #43
        Re: Why is Haiti so poor? A history of quake-hit island

        Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
        Unfortunately, nearly every country is funded by the IMF and World Bank to place their mafia driven governments in power in order to enslave the people which work to pay off the "national" debt which for the most part goes to pay for the military and soldiers that are used to protect the interests of the wealthy. It's a vicious cycle.
        New Zealand has debt to Australia but not to IMF or World Bank, which is lucky; we just have the issue of 'free market' people from wall street interfering in everything, otherwise known as the 'New Zealand experiment' and an example of why every government should beware of 'free market' forces. This was written in 1999, just before we had some semi-sane center-left government back in place; of course now we have the center-right that believe in the 'free market' back in power.
        LIFE IN THE ECONOMIC TEST-TUBE: New Zealand "experiment" a colossal failure

        New Zealand used to claim credit for being the birthplace of the welfare state, for being the first country to give women the vote, and for building a harmonious multi-racial society.

        Today, however, it is becoming infamous for what is known as the "New Zealand experiment." Economic theories which had never been tried, let alone proved, anywhere else in the world became New Zealand government policy--first at the hands of a Labour government from 1984 to 1990, and then continued with equal, if not greater, fervor by its National government successor.

        The "fundamentals"--market liberalization and free trade, limited government, a narrow monetarist policy, a deregulated labour market, and fiscal restraint--were taken as "given," based on common sense and beyond challenge. These radical policies were systematically embedded against change.

        This was a classic structural adjustment program of the kind traditionally imposed on poorer countries of the Third World by the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. New Zealand did it voluntarily. The result is being promoted in New Zealand and overseas as a model for the developed countries of the OECD. But those governments and their peoples need to look beyond the "good news machine" and learn the real lessons of our last ten years.

        The economic deficit

        This was no success story. For most of the decade New Zealand's economy has faced stagnation or recession. Between 1985 and 1992, OECD economies grew by an average 20%, while New Zealand's economy shrank by 1% over the same period.

        Other objective indicators show that, between 1984 and 1993, productivity growth averaged around 0.9% a year, due mainly to labour cutbacks. Inflation averaged around 9% a year. Real interest rates remained excessively high. Unemployment rose to unprecedented levels. Net migration flows were negative. Foreign debt quadrupled. New Zealand's credit rating was downgraded twice. Investment as a percentage of GDP halved, and spending on research and development fell to half the OECD average.


        When New Zealand finally showed some signs of economic growth in 1993, its "turnaround economy" became the toast of the global economic community. Yet three years into this much-heralded recovery, some of the key indicators, such as public debt, are just returning to their pre-1984 levels. Others, such as unemployment, are nowhere near that. Control of the country's vital financial, energy, transport and communications infrastructure, and much of its natural resource base, is now in foreign or transnational hands.

        While indicators like inflation and budget balance have improved, many commentators believe the country is significantly worse off than it would have been under a different economic approach. Moreover, a sustainable economy is far from guaranteed. In late 1995, there were signs that the economy was weakening once more. Job growth has slowed, real wages continue to fall, the balance of payments deficit has grown, and economic growth has been forced back down to bring "underlying" inflation within the Rserve Bank's goal.

        The social deficit

        Whatever the economic outcomes, the country and many of its people are a great deal worse off. Unemployment and poverty have become structural features of New Zealand life. The Labour government was responsible for the early decline, with rising unemployment, failure to keep benefit and family assistance in line with inflation, and favourable tax treatment for the rich at the expense of the poor.

        Its National successor fuelled unemployment and deregulated the labour market to force wage rates down. It slashed benefit levels and tightened eligibility criteria, imposed new user charges, and suspended inflation-indexing for family assistance and income support.

        There is no doubt that poverty and inequality have increased. The number of New Zealanders estimated to be living in poverty grew by at least 35% between 1989 and 1992, so that, by 1993, one in six New Zealanders was considered to be living in poverty.

        Even if unemployment returns to the level of the mid-1980s--still very high by New Zealand's historical standards--poverty and hardship are expected to remain about the same. This doesn't seem to concern the government. Cabinet Minister Bill Birch admitted that income disparities "are widening, and they will widen much more. That doesn't worry me."

        New Zealand is now a deeply divided society. Hundreds of thousands of individuals, their families and communities have endured a decade of unrelenting hardship. The burden fell most heavily on those who already had the least: the Maori, the poor, the sick, women with children, and the unemployed. Their "freedom of choice" was whether to use their scarce resources to buy housing, health and education, or other essentials such as food--and which of these essentials to go without.

        The government and its affluent supporters talked constantly of the need for stability--but always in terms of the economy, never of people's lives. The strain of constant change fostered uncertainty and insecurity, and made it impossible for people to plan ahead.

        "Labour market flexibility" meant going to bed not knowing if you would have a job the next day.

        "Price stability" meant sudden hikes in your interest on mortgages and loans, and suppression of growth by the Reserve Bank (the country's central bank).

        "Fiscal responsibility" meant continual cuts in income support, benefits and social services.

        Privatized state services meant having to choose which essential service to keep, with no one being held to account.

        Constant policy failure meant revisions and reversals as new versions of the experiment tried to remedy the disasters of the old.

        In this decade of greed, talk of "short-term pain for long-term gain" meant pain for the poor to achieve gain for the rich. Social policy no longer promoted the right of people to participate in and belong to their community. It promised instead to "maintain individuals in the daily essentials of food, clothing and housing at a decent level." By the mid-1990s, however, the government was no longer providing even these minimum benefits for many citizens.

        The victims of the market were forced to depend on a shrinking welfare safety net or on private charity. What were once basic priorities--collective responsibility, redistribution of resources and power, social stability, democratic participation, and the belief that human beings were entitled to live and work in security and dignity--seemed to have been left far behind. Poverty, division and alienation had become permanent features of New Zealand's social landscape.

        The political deficit

        The political verdict was equally damning. Most voters felt paralyzed by the pace of change, confused by the Labour government's role after 1984, and trapped in nostalgia for an interventionist welfare state which was disappearing before their eyes. While they felt uneasy, most remained isolated, insecure, unorganized, and politically inert.

        Critics of the right-wing "experiment" were dismissed as dinosaurs or vested interest lobby groups trying to protect their own interests. Too often the media abandoned their investigative role and became seduced by the market hype. Meanwhile, the "change agents" stacked the deck with fellow-travellers who would defend the new regime against all challenges and critiques.

        Political choice thus became increasingly sterile. Aside from labour market deregulation and more overt attacks on the welfare state, structural adjustment followed the same neo-liberal course whichever party was in power.

        The fortunes of both the Labour and National parties see-sawed throughout the decade. Deprived of real political choice, a majority voted the electoral system down and opted for MMP (a form of proportional representation). Many assumed it would make the political system more accountable and representative, and would serve to moderate, if not reverse, the pace of change. But their expectations were inflated. By 1995, it appeared that they could expect more of the same.

        The cultural deficit

        Within a decade, the country and the lives of its people were turned upside down. This right-wing revolution--bloodless, but devastating for those who became its victims--had been prosecuted in the name of "the nation as a whole." Constant references to national wealth, national well-being, and national self-interest sought to submerge deep inequalities into an amorphous whole. Along the way, the nation in whose name the experiment was carried out was irreversibly changed, raising vital concerns about identity, sovereignty, and foreign control.

        The ethos of the market pervaded everyday life. Even the language was captured, dehumanizing the people and communities it affected. It became acceptable to talk of "shedding workers," as if they were so much dead skin. "Incentives" meant cutting benefits to force people into low-paying jobs. "Broadening the tax base" meant shifting the tax burden from the rich to the poor. "Freeing up the market" meant removing all impediments to profit-making. "Deinstitutionalization" meant closing state institutions and shifting responsibility for their occupants to poor families and communities. "An open economy" meant welcoming foreign purchasers of the country's assets and resources. "International competitiveness" meant competing with countries whose economies are based on prison and child labour, grinding poverty, and environmental degradation.

        There are alternatives

        The message is very clear: Even if the New Zealand economy has shown signs of recovering, many of the people have not. Yet the New Zealand experiment is now being hailed by the World Bank, the OECD, and other like-minded guardians of the global economy as a "success story" and a model for the rest of the world. What they are really applauding, however, is the unimpeded imposition of an ideological model to which they adhere--regardless of its social and economic consequences.

        Few would disagree that New Zealand's economy in 1984 needed attention. The claim that "there was no alternative" to the right-wing revolution has, by sheer repetition, become accepted truth. But in fact this was not the only option available to the New Zealand government. It was simply the only option that had been conceived and promoted at the time--the option that enjoyed the patronage of the political, bureaucratic and business elites.

        Those responsible were determined to initiate and entrench the "right" policies, not to secure socially acceptable outcomes. According to their theories, the two would ultimately coincide. In the process, they rationalized the costs to individuals, families and communities as inevitable and short-term.

        They justified anti-democratic practices and the privatization of power as being "in the national good." They ignored the gap between prevailing social values and those which they dogmatically pursued. They abandoned the commitment to sustaining a community that cares and shares. They are now beginning to reap the consequences as increasing numbers of victims, especially Maori, fight back.

        A decade into this experiment, it is a fruitless exercise to speculate on "what might have been." It is an historical and irreversible fact that the structural adjustment program was imposed by default. New Zealanders feel they are losing control of their identity, their economy, their country, even their lives. They now face the question of where realistically to move from here.

        They still have channels for innovation and struggle. They still have a choice. They can fall into line and remain victims of the global market within a divided and polarized society; or they can seek out new identities, new economic strategies, and new forms of politics that will respond creatively to a rapidly changing world.

        Ultimately, the people of New Zealand have to decide what kind of society they wish to live in, and work together to create it.

        In the meantime, other countries, governments and peoples who are being told that they too have no alternative to the corporate agenda should learn from New Zealand's tragic mistake.

        Dr. Jane Kelsey
        Associate Professor of Law, The University of Auckland, New Zealand
        Last edited by hipeter924; 03-27-2010, 09:17 AM.

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        • #44
          Re: Why is Haiti so poor? A history of quake-hit island

          Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post
          New Zealand has debt to Australia but not to IMF or World Bank, which is lucky; we just have the issue of 'free market' people from wall street interfering in everything, otherwise known as the 'New Zealand experiment' and an example of why every government should beware of 'free market' forces. This was written in 1999, just before we had some semi-sane center-left government back in place; of course now we have the center-right that believe in the 'free market' back in power.
          Would you say that New Zealand is just another island being exploited? Surely it has capital such as minerals that are being flown off the island without much of the profits going to the people.
          "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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          • #45
            Re: Why is Haiti so poor? A history of quake-hit island

            Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
            Would you say that New Zealand is just another island being exploited? Surely it has capital such as minerals that are being flown off the island without much of the profits going to the people.
            As far as minerals, gas and oil NZ is heavily exploited by Shell and others; the thing that really keeps the nation going is a few small innovator's, a few wealthy millionaires, a couple expat billionaires, the wine industry, and 10,000 dairy farmers, and a few other smaller farming operations. Without them NZ's situation quite literally would be out of Carl Marx. Saying that the government right now wants to open up open cast mines to pay off the national debt, never mind that our royalty rates are so low the scraps won't pay for the environmental destruction let alone the debt; and the right-wing PR campaigns are so good that the people here think their foreign exploiters are 'saving them'. Most students I speak to think Roger Douglas (the finance minister who made NZ's current economic system) is a hero for his 'great reforms', as for me I just see him as a corrupt businessman, a cruel man, and a traitor. Harsh but considering how many lives 'free market' reformers destroy, and how many millions of people by their policies starve to death they deserve such labels.
            Last edited by hipeter924; 03-27-2010, 11:25 AM.

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            • #46
              Re: Why is Haiti so poor? A history of quake-hit island

              Hipeter

              The party is only good whilst it lasts. Unlike it's Asian neighbour Australia which has ores. New Zealand's per capita income has always been low. Oh well you still have sheep!

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              • #47
                Re: Why is Haiti so poor? A history of quake-hit island

                Originally posted by retro View Post
                Hipeter

                The party is only good whilst it lasts. Unlike it's Asian neighbour Australia which has ores. New Zealand's per capita income has always been low. Oh well you still have sheep!
                NZ should have stuck to wars, the one thing we were really good at. I mean we had low unemployment, and a welfare state that put France to shame. The way I look at it, New Zealand is back in a pre-colonial era; with the big powers waiting to carve up the unsuspecting natives to make a roast dinner. NZ was one of the richest nations in the world, with a high GDP per capita through the 1950s to 1960s but it went down hill because the government had bad economic policy after that; and when the UK and EU kicked NZ out of their market the export economy collapsed, as you can see a steady decline, but still a strong economy till the 1970s.



                Here you can see that NZ was actually the 5th richest nation in the world till the 1970s, meaning NZ used to be richer than Australia.

                1950: FIFTH
                The following (OECD) economies (in probable rank order) already had a higher GDP per capita than New Zealand in the early1950s.
                United States
                Switzerland
                Luxembourg(?)
                Canada

                So New Zealand was ranked fifth.(12) New Zealand was then about 48 percent above the OECD average.(13)

                1960: FIFTH
                No additional OECD country’s GDP per capita was above New Zealand by 1961. So New Zealand was still fifth, but it was now only about 31 percent above the average.

                1970: ELEVENTH
                In turn, the following six OECD countries’ GDP per capita became higher than New Zealand’s between 1961 and 1970, additional to the earlier four.
                Denmark
                Sweden
                Australia
                Netherlands
                France
                Iceland (?)

                New Zealand was now 11th , and its GDP per capita was about 111 percent of the OECD average.

                1980: NINETEENTH
                In turn, the following eight OECD countries’ GDP per capita became higher than New Zealand’s between 1975 and 1980, additional to the earlier eleven.
                Belgium
                Germany (West & East combined)
                Norway
                Austria
                United Kingdom
                Japan
                Italy
                Finland

                New Zealand was now 19th , and its GDP per capita was about 96 percent of the OECD average.

                1997: TWENTIETH
                In 1997 Ireland’s per capita GDP passed New Zealand’s. So New Zealand became 20th , when its GDP per capita was about 86 percent of the OECD average.
                Last edited by hipeter924; 03-27-2010, 04:11 PM.

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                • #48
                  Re: Why is Haiti so poor? A history of quake-hit island

                  Hipeter

                  I'd love to visit New Zealand sometime. As New Zealanders are a far nicer and more civlised people than those drunken Australian yobs.

                  NZ's runaway social spending and other kooky Champagne Socialist policies have left it isolated and in a hole fiscally. Paving the road for there globalists corporate mafia and banksters pals to sell the entire country down the river to the Chinese.

                  New Zealand can't afford to neglect it's national defence and it needs to develop it's own domestic off shore, deep sea, exploration industry.

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                  • #49
                    Re: Why is Haiti so poor? A history of quake-hit island

                    Originally posted by retro View Post
                    Hipeter

                    I'd love to visit New Zealand sometime. As New Zealanders are a far nicer and more civlised people than those drunken Australian yobs.

                    NZ's runaway social spending and other kooky Champagne Socialist policies have left it isolated and in a hole fiscally. Paving the road for there globalists corporate mafia and banksters pals to sell the entire country down the river to the Chinese.

                    New Zealand can't afford to neglect it's national defence and it needs to develop it's own domestic off shore, deep sea, exploration industry.
                    Well the free market group (made up of foreign owned companies) hate Fonterra and all NZ and state owned companies because they want to monopolise our economy (like they do with cellphones, transportation and everything else); so they lobby for deregulation and government sell off's, and the government listens to them.

                    So long as NZ keeps its agriculture owned by NZ'ers and what is left of the state infrastructure the country will do fine, but of course the government economists are all educated in wall street (no economists from Australia, Asia, or anything); and don't understand reality so can never tell what stuff up they will do next.

                    We always mock Australians for being convicts, and Australians mock us about sheep.

                    As for China there is little problem there, if anything Chinese are neutral forces. The real nasties come from wall street, because they are ones pushing to restart the right-wing economics of Augusto Pinochet, known here as Rogernomics/Ruthanasia.
                    Last edited by hipeter924; 03-28-2010, 08:09 PM.

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                    • #50
                      Re: Why is Haiti so poor? A history of quake-hit island

                      The chinese are good business partners. I have been working with them for years myself and they have been a patient group to work with.
                      Hayastan or Bust.

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