Nature of God

[loseyourname]

I'm not too sure what you mean. I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm certainly not trying hard.

On a side note, I suggest we end this before we get into another big endless spat. Perhaps someday I can buy you a drink and we can sit down and have a nice civil conversation. For now, there are plenty of other things going on and this is old news. Don't make me regret posting in here again. I was just trying to make a cute little joke. If it bothers you that much, I'll gladly delete it.

[Anonymouse]

Okay, if you didn't make them, why are you trying to hard here to justify yourself?

[loseyourname]

Dude, what am I evading? You attacked two arguments that I never made. If you can ever find me saying that knowledge comes only through the scientific method, do so. I guarantee you that you can't. You will also not find me ever using reason to cancel out faith. I only debunk claims made on faith.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by loseyourname Mouse, what are you talking about? You just pointed out two things that I never did in an attempt to show fallacy on my part. At least criticize claims that I actually make.

Now he evades to give himself an aura of validity. Typical.

[loseyourname]

Mouse, what are you talking about? You just pointed out two things that I never did in an attempt to show fallacy on my part. At least criticize claims that I actually make.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by loseyourname I never used reason to cancel out faith. You can have faith in whatever you want. My only point is that your faith does not give you knowledge. It is only faith.

That is untrue.

Originally posted by loseyourname Your second strike right there is a logical fallacy itself, a diversionary tactic known as a straw man. I never said knowledge can only come from use of the scientific method. I have, in fact, repeatedly said that several types of knowledge can be obtained through other means. Among them are rational knowledge, which comes through the use of pure reason, self-knowledge, which comes from introspection, and knowledge through divine revelation.

Try again.

That is again untrue. You are referring to "analytical knowledge" as I pointed out, quite different from synthetic knowledge.

You ask me to make two points, I do. Now I am accuse of "diversionary tactics" and to 'try again". You see why our discussion bogged down? It's too much about the ego for you. I liked anileves input.

A real discussion doesn't center around "Wrong." or "diversionary tactics" or "try again", akin to your ad hominems earlier. That's the sign of desperation.

[loseyourname]

I never used reason to cancel out faith. You can have faith in whatever you want. My only point is that your faith does not give you knowledge. It is only faith.

Your second strike right there is a logical fallacy itself, a diversionary tactic known as a straw man. I never said knowledge can only come from use of the scientific method. I have, in fact, repeatedly said that several types of knowledge can be obtained through other means. Among them are rational knowledge, which comes through the use of pure reason, self-knowledge, which comes from introspection, and knowledge through divine revelation.

Try again.

[Anonymouse]

For one, your continuous insistence on using reason to cancel out faith, when I've already pointed you have no knowledge of it.

As for debunking, well I certainly debunked your whole argument when I pointed out that the idea that all knowledge comes through material means, aka scientific method, is itself a metaphysical assumption, to which you agreed.

[loseyourname]

Point out one tautological statement I have made, and one debunking that you have made.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by loseyourname There is only issue, my man. Can knowledge be obtained through faith alone? No, it cannot. You have failed to address every objection I bring up, instead deflecting to other issues. That is how we ended up with such a long, unfocused, drawn-out discussion. All you have done is find new ways to state arguments that I have already debunked. I understand your frustration.

Still, take a joke.

Because it is tedious to address one liners that lack any base, such as "Wrong! Blah blah blah blah prove it". I thought anileves argument was a refresher as opposed to your tautological nuances. As for knowledge through faith, interesting how now you say that "can knowledge be obtained by faith alone", whereas earlier it was not even an option. you already know my position, on a priori synthetic truths. Well, funny you say "debunked". I say the same thing.All you have done is repeat tautological statements that I have debunked. Your point?