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[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Dan No, I don't... which revolution hasn't killed thousands if not millions of people? Communism had millions of victims, yet I'm a communist, or at least when it comes to certain aspects of it... It's the nature of human beings, and the survival of the fittest. And what do you mean by 'systematic' in this context?

Communism got out of hand, too, Dan. Hitler didn't require a revolution. He had Germany firmly in his control, and had he not tried to extend that control to nations he had no business in, he would likely still be in power today.

I mean he had a system in place that was designed solely to exterminate people who he did not deem desireable as part of the gene pool.

[Dan]

The only thing Hitler was guilty of that the allies were not, and this is what I trying to say to begin with, was being too open and too brazen about what he was doing. Had he taken things a little slower and not been so fanatical, his ideas might have taken hold.

i disagree again. the jews were on the Germans' ***es... they were boycotting German products and had taken the economy to a desparate state.. not to mention the number of German babies that starved to death as a result.. who blames the jews now?

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Dan i disagree again. the jews were on the Germans' ***es... they were boycotting German products and had taken the economy to a desparate state.. not to mention the number of German babies that starved to death as a result.. who blames the jews now?

Again, Dan, what are you disagreeing with here? I never said Hitler should not have done something about the problem Germany had with the Jewish people. There are steps he could have taken that would not have led to his eternal vilification and the extinction of his ideas before they ever went through a proper gestation period. There was no imminent threat to the point where he needed to forcibly enslave and murder every single Jewish person in his nation. That is going too far. Murder begets murder and solves nothing.

[Dan]

Originally posted by loseyourname Communism got out of hand, too, Dan. Hitler didn't require a revolution. He had Germany firmly in his control, and had he not tried to extend that control to nations he had no business in, he would likely still be in power today.

I mean he had a system in place that was designed solely to exterminate people who he did not deem desireable as part of the gene pool.

he was not trying to 'take over' and make all of Europe German. He simply wanted to get the 'pests' out of Europe, the pests being jews and gypsies. He obviously saw the state of Europe well ahead of any of his contemporaries, and he was damn right about it -- and that is why he wanted to do something about it... now the Russians are another issue. The Russians wouldn't have been faced with that had they not been all too 'proud' of their Slavic background and refusing a unity with the rest of Europe. Hitler could've been a control freak for all I care, but the guy SAW what Europe would be like if the jews were not exiled. Like Benjamin Franklin said, if the jews are not removed from USA, they will become the bane of the country.... and he was right.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Dan Hitler could've been a control freak for all I care, but the guy SAW what Europe would be like if the jews were not exiled.

And what did he do about it? He died, his holocaust led to the formation of a Jewish state, and Europe is in exactly the state he was trying to avoid. Seems like he failed pretty miserably, which proves my point when I say he went about solving his problem the wrong way.

[Dan]

There are steps he could have taken that would not have led to his eternal vilification and the extinction of his ideas before they ever went through a proper gestation period.

like what?

There was no imminent threat to the point where he needed to forcibly enslave and murder every single Jewish person in his nation.

who says he murdered jews? the conflicting 'memoirs' of 'survivors'? "wait, they burned us in ovens', 'no wait, i forgot about it, wait, no, they didn't burn us in the ovens, they sent us to the gas chambers." i suppose they were fantasizing, huh? sick, but let me tell you one thing -- jews would toy with anything if it means money. and well, guess what they got? money!

[Dan]

He died, his holocaust led to the formation of a Jewish state, and Europe is in exactly the state he was trying to avoid. Seems like he failed pretty miserably, which proves my point when I say he went about solving his problem the wrong way.

excuse me? holocaust? oh you mean the holohoax, huh? he died because the American lemmings wanted to be more powerful than Hitler. consider the state of the USA had Nazism succeeded..... USA was just getting on its feet at the time. lemmings who bought the jewish propaganda. how did the jews have time for such propaganda if they (and their families) were being 'slaughtered'?

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Dan like what?

Hell if I know. I'm no state problem solver. All I know is that what he did didn't work.

who says he murdered jews? the conflicting 'memoirs' of 'survivors'? "wait, they burned us in ovens', 'no wait, i forgot about it, wait, no, they didn't burn us in the ovens, they sent us to the gas chambers." i suppose they were fantasizing, huh? sick, but let me tell you one thing -- jews would toy with anything if it means money. and well, guess what they got? money! [/B]

If you're going to dispute accepted historical fact, you'll need to provide more backup than an illustration of inconsistent memories on the part of people who had been through extreme psychological trauma and would be expected to be a little shaken up.

[Dan]

accepted historical fact

thank you for proving my point.

an illustration of inconsistent memories on the part of people who had been through extreme psychological trauma and would be expected to be a little shaken up.

yeah, and is that why we don't see any inconsistent memories on the part of the Armenians who survived the genocide?

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Dan excuse me? holocaust? oh you mean the holohoax, huh? he died because the American lemmings wanted to be more powerful than Hitler. consider the state of the USA had Nazism succeeded..... USA was just getting on its feet at the time. lemmings who bought the jewish propaganda. how did the jews have time for such propaganda if they (and their families) were being 'slaughtered'?

Am I wrong, Dan? Did his techniques work, or is Europe in exactly the state he wanted to avoid it being in? As I said already, if you're going to dispute accepted historical fact, please provide evidence that the documented murder of millions is a hoax. He didn't just kill Jews and Gypsies, Dan. He murdered Germans as well. But please, let's get off of this, because it is beside the point. My point is that what he did did not work, and the reason it did not work is because he was severely lacking in subtlety at a time when any aggressive action on the part of Germany was not likely to be taken well. He got the concessions he wanted initially, and then he got greedy, and he paid the price.