Survey about armenian identity

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by ckBejug Hey Baron, what of the rampant abuse of people with businesses by these Armenian 'mafia' people... whatever they're called. It's common knowledge that you can't open a business anywhere in Armenia without being approached by them for 'dues' whenever they ask for it or be threatened one way or another. They pretty much run things and if you don't comply, your businss manages to completely flounder. It's ridiculous. I don't think Armenia is going to get anywhere near forward economically until something is done about that.........

I agree about wanting to move back there. Heck, even if I up and left now I'd have somewhere to live, houses in Armenia have been pretty cheap for a while, but the numbers are rising fast... I also agree that it's a cop out to say 'it would be difficult' to go back just because of initial economic hardships (it couldn't possibly be that hard since the dollar is valuable there and if you plan ahead and make money here to take with you, you could live pretty comfortably on that for a while)... However, the fact of the matter is that if your end goal, as mine, is to further your education and work somewhere in the scientific research field, you'd never be afforded in Armenia the kind of opportunities you'd have elsewhere in the world. I don't say that as a crapshoot excuse, I've actually looked into the research thing at AUA and other private clinics and it's not very exceptional. I'd love to be able to get somewhere tangible elsewhere and take back with me to Armenia the knowledge I have to then help better the field there... But that's something I'd be able to do at the latter end of my career, not at the beginning, because I'd have nothing to offer at the beginning...

Anyway, until then I'd always vsit, summer home and whatever. I can't wait to go back..... Just promise once you get there you'll do something about the mess and corruption that people have had to live with so far. It seems like I always hear Armenians say they'll go back when 'the situation there gets better'. I don't think they understand that nothing will get better until enough of us go back that we can actually DO something about it, rather than sitting back and waiting for something to be done. It's not going to happen fast and it's not going to happen on it's own!

Refer to my thread in the politics forum called "Baron Dants's anti-corruption plan" before it turned into a big argument about marxism and the usefulness of the state (basically, just read MY post ). And this is something some 17 year old kid thought of, so there ARE definite ways to clean the country up and NO ONE is better placed than us. Also, the corruption IS overrated (it's very present, but apparently nowhere near to what we in the diaspora preach). The "I'll wait till things get better" thing is something that really pisses me off too. I believe it was Baronian who said something like "Azkin kordze toon chnes, yes chnem, yeresi vra ge mna".

You do raise a good point about your career path. It is believed that Armenia have great potential in the field of science and IT. The only thing lacking would be investment. So at age 40, if you decide to open your own lab...open it in Armenia.

There WILL be sacrifices made, but why not make them? Why xxxxx and xxxxx about Armenia's state and the corruption and this and that if we don't intend to make anything of it?

[ckBejug]

Originally posted by Baron Dants And the change from "communism" to capitalism didn't take place as it should have either. Mais bon, that's in the past now.

AND SO WHAT INDEED!!!!!! What I find hilarious is people who say that they are ready to give their lives to get our lands back, and at some other time, while talking about the subject of returning to Armenia, they will claim that it is a "financial risk". Our great grandparents went through more than "financial risks", and we're not even ready to do that? So you may lose a few thousands, what then? Did you die? Did you lose your family? Heck, you won't even lose anything (and could gain BIG) if you actually plan something about. But why plan, why even consider moving back if we are free of "financial risks" here? Yikh...

lol, what a déjà-vu of 90% of my previous posts.

Hey Baron, what of the rampant abuse of people with businesses by these Armenian 'mafia' people... whatever they're called. It's common knowledge that you can't open a business anywhere in Armenia without being approached by them for 'dues' whenever they ask for it or be threatened one way or another. They pretty much run things and if you don't comply, your businss manages to completely flounder. It's ridiculous. I don't think Armenia is going to get anywhere near forward economically until something is done about that.........

I agree about wanting to move back there. Heck, even if I up and left now I'd have somewhere to live, houses in Armenia have been pretty cheap for a while, but the numbers are rising fast... I also agree that it's a cop out to say 'it would be difficult' to go back just because of initial economic hardships (it couldn't possibly be that hard since the dollar is valuable there and if you plan ahead and make money here to take with you, you could live pretty comfortably on that for a while)... However, the fact of the matter is that if your end goal, as mine, is to further your education and work somewhere in the scientific research field, you'd never be afforded in Armenia the kind of opportunities you'd have elsewhere in the world. I don't say that as a crapshoot excuse, I've actually looked into the research thing at AUA and other private clinics and it's not very exceptional. I'd love to be able to get somewhere tangible elsewhere and take back with me to Armenia the knowledge I have to then help better the field there... But that's something I'd be able to do at the latter end of my career, not at the beginning, because I'd have nothing to offer at the beginning...

Anyway, until then I'd always vsit, summer home and whatever. I can't wait to go back..... Just promise once you get there you'll do something about the mess and corruption that people have had to live with so far. It seems like I always hear Armenians say they'll go back when 'the situation there gets better'. I don't think they understand that nothing will get better until enough of us go back that we can actually DO something about it, rather than sitting back and waiting for something to be done. It's not going to happen fast and it's not going to happen on it's own!

[jahannam]

Originally posted by Dan

As for the survey, I tried to fill it out using my Mozilla browser, it wouldn't work cos it wouldn't let me choose options that were in the same column...

thats not because of your browser, that's cuz you're not supposed to choose options in the same column.
I almost fell for it too.
but basically you're not gonna checkmark ALL the choices. you're gonna choose your top five priorities and put em in sequence from most important to least. that's why it takes 20 minutes.
lol
good survey though. at least some people are workin on the issue. makes me feel safe for some reason.

[Anonymouse]

Like I said, for the sake of argument, and hilarity, National Socialism did wonders for Germany.

[Dan]

What I find hilarious is people who say that they are ready to give their lives to get our lands back, and at some other time, while talking about the subject of returning to Armenia, they will claim that it is a "financial risk".

I would not give my life to get our lands back. Unless we have something that resembles an army. Other than that, I'm pretty much against any sort of reparation for the genocide even.

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Indeed. I mean it's more of a question of "so what?" if its hard. Id rather live my life there, the hard and difficult one, than the easy one here.

It's funny how Armenian peoples have supposedly survived through all this dark chapters in their history, invasions and conquerors after conquerors and Ittihadists, that somehow now they cannot endure some economic hardship?

Well, I hate to say it but that's what happens when a country is Communist for well over half a century.

This is the problem of Armenia, along with Russia and the rest of the world, the transition from Feudalism to Capitalism did not take place, rather it was a direct leap to Marx's supposed next stage in history, Communism.

And the change from "communism" to capitalism didn't take place as it should have either. Mais bon, that's in the past now.

AND SO WHAT INDEED!!!!!! What I find hilarious is people who say that they are ready to give their lives to get our lands back, and at some other time, while talking about the subject of returning to Armenia, they will claim that it is a "financial risk". Our great grandparents went through more than "financial risks", and we're not even ready to do that? So you may lose a few thousands, what then? Did you die? Did you lose your family? Heck, you won't even lose anything (and could gain BIG) if you actually plan something about. But why plan, why even consider moving back if we are free of "financial risks" here? Yikh...

lol, what a déjà-vu of 90% of my previous posts.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by Baron Dants Eh, up to each person to choose if it's a commitment worth making.

I will probably not study there, but I think I will move there about a year or so after I complete my university degree (Enough time to work a year full time, and make some money).

Life in Armenia, with all its hassles, just seems to be more enjoyable.

Indeed. I mean it's more of a question of "so what?" if its hard. Id rather live my life there, the hard and difficult one, than the easy one here.

It's funny how Armenian peoples have supposedly survived through all this dark chapters in their history, invasions and conquerors after conquerors and Ittihadists, that somehow now they cannot endure some economic hardship?

Well, I hate to say it but that's what happens when a country is Communist for well over half a century.

This is the problem of Armenia, along with Russia and the rest of the world, the transition from Feudalism to Capitalism did not take place, rather it was a direct leap to Marx's supposed next stage in history, Communism.

[Dan]

I have an answer for Armenia. National Socialism.

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by Anonymouse I have an answer for Armenia. National Socialism. HAR HAR HAR.

I'm not getting into this.

I will say though (as I've said so many times) that the answer for Armenia is repatriation.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by Dan I was thinking about doing my graduate studies in Armenia, but they are yet to provide me with a good incentive to go there vs. University of Liverpool.... they don't have decent programs (except maybe for the YerPhI).... the AUA doesn't even have any grad programs in philosophy........ and besides, going to Armenia is a big commitment, largely because of the economic level compared to more developed countries and your chances of being able to get out of Armenia and re-settle in USA or Canada if you wanted to one day are really low (unless you're a professional who has considerable wealth already)...

As for the survey, I knew about it a coupla months ago, tried to fill it out using my Mozilla browser, it wouldn't work cos it wouldn't let me choose options that were in the same column... and now I tried it with IE and it's giving me cookie headaches... Oh well...

I have an answer for Armenia. National Socialism. HAR HAR HAR.