Recent Influx of Immigration

[Fadix]

Originally posted by Darorinag A drain on the resources? Excuse me, but I pay for what I get. On the contrary, I am a benefit to the country.

How? How are you benefiting the country Dan?

[Darorinag]

Originally posted by Fadix How? How are you benefiting the country Dan?

I don't get money from the country in any way, either income or financial aid. But I do spend, don't I? On food, clothing, technology, books, education, insurance, etc. I pay for what I get. And I also benefit the economy.

[Fadix]

Originally posted by Darorinag I don't get money from the country in any way, either income or financial aid. But I do spend, don't I? On food, clothing, technology, books, education, insurance, etc. I pay for what I get. And I also benefit the economy.

What about the violent manifestations you participate in Dan? What about the cost of the police forces, the vendalism etc...? What about your views that are opposit to the Canadian values?

[Sip]

Originally posted by Darorinag I don't get money from the country in any way, either income or financial aid. But I do spend, don't I? On food, clothing, technology, books, education, insurance, etc. I pay for what I get. And I also benefit the economy.

So where is the money coming from?

1) You are drain on another country
2) You somehow get the money from the country you are in ... if through legal means then you are effectively taking away those resources from the citizens of that country (i.e. jobs and if not you then your parent(s)).

Also, if you plan to stay there indefinitely, then you are not that different than an immigrant so spare us the "I am better" attitude. If you are going to leave, then you are basically a leech as the valuable seat space at the university you are in could have been put to much better use if an immigrant or a citizen of that country had used it.

In other words, a university seat serves the country much better in my opinion if it is occupied by a citizen of that country as opposed to an "international student" who by definition is going to get the hell out once he or she has reaped all the benefits of being in that position in that particular country.

[Darorinag]

Originally posted by Fadix What about the violent manifestations you participate in Dan? What about the cost of the police forces, the vendalism etc...? What about your views that are opposit to the Canadian values?

Cost to police forces? Don't worry. I pay them enough!!! They're there to do their job. I have done nothing illegal so far. It is their own "laws" that have urged them to arrest me, particularly about mental health and political correctness with regards to suicide. So they should not complain about it.

1) You are drain on another country
2) You somehow get the money from the country you are in ... if through legal means then you are effectively taking away those resources from the citizens of that country (i.e. jobs and if not you then your parent(s)).

Yes, everyone is a drain on A country, but what I am talking about is whether or not you're a drain on YOUR country or someone ELSE's country. I am English. I am therefore not draining anyone else's country by getting the money from there. My dad served for many years in the royal forces. I am entitled to the monetary "aid" from the government.

Also, if you plan to stay there indefinitely, then you are not that different than an immigrant so spare us the "I am better" attitude. If you are going to leave, then you are basically a leech as the valuable seat space at the university you are in could have been put to much better use if an immigrant or a citizen of that country had used it.

I don't plan to stay here indefinitely. I plan to leave the country as soon as I am done. Moreover, keep in mind that the preference to admission was already given to domestic students (including immigrants!), and only after all the domestic "eligible" students were admitted did they take a look at my application, by way of priority. I did not buy my way in. I was more qualified than the remaining people. But the fact that you think that university admission should be about race (but of course, in your own pro-black, pro-chinese, pro-immigrant way only) and not individual ability is enough to give your hypocrisy away...

In other words, a university seat serves the country much better in my opinion if it is occupied by a citizen of that country as opposed to an "international student" who by definition is going to get the hell out once he or she has reaped all the benefits of being in that position in that particular country.

EXACTLY. But, THIS is where my criticism of their immigration policies comes in!!! My immigration application was recently denied...... Instead, when I look around on immigration lists, indians who know no English and don't have any experience or arranged jobs or even qualifications were sent acceptance letters THREE months after they sent in the application. It usually takes 1 year... whereas mine took 1.5 years... Of course, a country that doesn't know what's best for itself, admits international students, and rejects their immigration application despite the fact that they know 5 languages, have more skills than the average chinese or pakistani, then it deserves the leeching...

and well, to be honest, it deserves the leeching done onto itself by the chinese illegals on welfare too!!!

Idiocy has become a skill canadians have mastered!!!

so when Mr. Julian "black gangs are under control" Fantino (aka Metro Toronto Police chief) gives his next speech about gangs and violence, and how 17 year old army reservist Konstantin Kocherga was killed by black gangsters in front of the school just outside where I live, he might as well praise the multicultural country we live in, which has evidently (!!!) been SO beneficial to the citizens of the country!!!! Diversity is our "strength"!!! Hail, hail!!

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Darorinag But the fact that you think that university admission should be about race (but of course, in your own pro-black, pro-chinese, pro-immigrant way only) and not individual ability is enough to give your hypocrisy away...

He didn't say it should be about race. He said it should be about Canadian citizenship. A citizen of the country should have priority over a non-citizen. Race should not play in.

EXACTLY. But, THIS is where my criticism of their immigration policies comes in!!! My immigration application was recently denied...... Instead, when I look around on immigration lists, indians who know no English and don't have any experience or arranged jobs or even qualifications were sent acceptance letters THREE months after they sent in the application. It usually takes 1 year... whereas mine took 1.5 years... Of course, a country that doesn't know what's best for itself, admits international students, and rejects their immigration application despite the fact that they know 5 languages, have more skills than the average chinese or pakistani, then it deserves the leeching...

This is exactly why race should not be considered, and neither should nationality. The only thing that should be considered is what benefit a potential immigrant can bring to a country. You seem like a relatively smart dude, you're going to a university, getting a degree, you should be allowed. It shouldn't make any difference if you're British, Indian, Chinese, or Martian. If you're qualified, you should be allowed in.

[Darorinag]

He didn't say it should be about race. He said it should be about Canadian citizenship. A citizen of the country should have priority over a non-citizen. Race should not play in.

Yes, and I said that citizens and immigrants DO get priority over international students.

This is exactly why race should not be considered, and neither should nationality. The only thing that should be considered is what benefit a potential immigrant can bring to a country. You seem like a relatively smart dude, you're going to a university, getting a degree, you should be allowed. It shouldn't make any difference if you're British, Indian, Chinese, or Martian. If you're qualified, you should be allowed in.

Who SHOULD be allowed and not allowed is, in the end, the decision of the government. What I am talking about is not their policies, but the lies with which they cover up the fact that they bring A LOT (I'm not saying all immigrants are unskilled) of unskilled people who end up being a burden on the government and draining the tax money of decent and responsible workers whose presence is beneficial to the country. I am talking about multicultural propaganda that covers up the failings of the current immigration system that lets in a lot of unskilled people and keeps out a lot of skilled, hard-working, grateful people (and there are lots of them, whether they are chinese, indian, black, white, european, you name it...). The reason I am "dissing" immigration is that it is NOT immigration anymore. As humanitarian as Canada or USA might sound, [we] want to benefit from the newcomers, just as the newcomers want to benefit from the opportunities given them. We don't want violence due to unemployment which is due to the lack of skills which enable one to get a job. And this goes all the way back to immigration policies. Who should be blamed for violence? The government, that's right. And not for being unable to put a bandage on the wound, but for causing that wound in the first place. God knows, that recently settled guy who got into drugs, gangs, firearms, would've had a better life in his own country. Who are we fooling? Ourselves? Our people? The immigrants who have no skills to survive in their new "home"?

Of course, I could go on calling immigration policies racist, but that is not the point here. The point I am trying to make goes beyond race, yet it comes back to race only because immigration policy-makers chose it to be so (racial quotas, etc.). The point I am trying to make addresses skill level. I am not talking about "family class immigration" (as that would require sponsors, and if there are sponsors, chances are the newcomers will be able to get on with their lives - and you gotta give credit to a lot of the chinese immigrants who settle in Toronto that way, and attend universities or colleges to get accredited diplomas and add to their skills or learn new ones). I am talking about the "skilled worker class" immigration. I am talking about something that should be as scientific and obvious as possible, following a points system (here in Canada). If you know English, you get a certain number of points, if you know French, you get a certain number of points, if you know both, you get the maximum number of points in that category. If you know neither of the two, you get no points. Yet how such a system manages to bring in SO many unskilled workers under the "skilled worker" category while hundreds of SKILLED workers every day receive rejection letters from Immigration Canada, is beyond me. THAT is what I am talking about. I am talking about the recent so-called "anti-racist" claims to justify bringing the poor, unskilled, unable-to-survive people into the country. And it's not fair for the skilled people both those who are trying to immigrate and those who are already in the country (tax money, welfare, poverty), and it's also not fair to the immigrants who are unable to survive!

What the reasons behind those policies and the cover-ups of its hypocrisies and failures is not something I can comment on, as I am in the dark about that issue, although I could speculate about its sources and agendas. But I will not go there.

Immigration for skilled people. We are not a shelter for poor people. We have paid a price for what we have now. We should not give it up for the sake of political correctness. If it would make us racist to stop non-skilled immigration, so be it. But our conscience will be clean. And it will be fair. And I am using "we" here because I believe I am talking from a very humanitarian and universal perspective rather than a racist one. And I hope that this post will not be labelled as racist as well.

Peace.

[loseyourname]

Dan, that may be the first post you've made to this thread that didn't sound terribly racist. You've finally addressed the real problem: the fact that the US and Canada are being flooded with unskilled, unintelligent people, regardless of where they come from and of their racial origin. I agree with you 100%. Immigration policies need a terrible overhaul; both race and nationality should be completely taken out of the equation. The only thing considered should be benefit to the country. This includes intelligence, job skills, demonstrated tenacity of some sort, and some willingness to assimilate, at least to learn the language and embrace some amount of national vision.

[Darorinag]

And hence the ABSOLUTE need to STOP the quota system, because it's racist and unfair at best. It's like saying "I don't care how qualified you are, but if your country's quota has been reached, then you're out of luck"....

If the "quota system by country" is not put an end to, I am afraid USA, Canada, and all countries that are open to immigration will disintegrate into nations of absolute reliance on welfare, violence ("the stronger person survives", everyone is "on his own" and everyone is "out to get you"), which will also result in utter chaos, maybe not now, but in another 20 years, this will be reality.

As for me, I am disappointed with the entire immigration process. I will not try again. In the meantime, you guys will need to do some lobbying to change the situation, for the sake of everyone living in your country. I am glad to hear that there are people out there who think realistically and still believe in the existence of conccepts such as "skill" and "knowledge" and "experience", and not label it as racist or supremacist. As I said before, I am not against skilled workers from China coming to Canada. Ditto for India or anywhere else in the world.

It is ironic how those who plan those immigration policies and quotas use supposedly "anti-racist" propaganda to justify the quotas that are in fact racist.

Yes, I am bitter. And for a good reason. Any skilled worker who has been rejected immigrant status would know what I am talking about, especially when what should've been his place is stolen by someone who neither knows English/French nor has any skills that would enable him to survive.

Immigration, as I said, is a privilege given by the government (land claims are beyond the scope of this argument - but being realistic, it's THIS government that rules today, and it is THIS government that has the power to decide who should stay and who should leave.) Deserve it.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Darorinag It is ironic how those who plan those immigration policies and quotas use supposedly "anti-racist" propaganda to justify the quotas that are in fact racist.

Amen Dan.