Recent Influx of Immigration

[violette829]

Hey guys...I was doing 2 papers for my best friends about immigration last night, and I was wondering, "Hmm...I wonder what the forumers think about this one" So, what do you guys think? Should we allow everyone to enter into this country (talking about the United States...sorry Baron)or should we have tougher laws about foreigners? Do you think that we have a certain obligation to protect the immigrants who are already here, as well as allow new ones to enter?

I know you're thinking "Wait, Violette's an immigrant as well"..Well my friends, I KNOW THAT! But, I am talking about the ones who are coming here every day..

This leads to overpopulation, more pollution, more competition for unskilled work, as well as many foreign diseases, bacteria...bla bla bla.....BUT should we protect the ones who escape to America, for fear of persecution from their own nation?

I thank you in advance for your response!

(please excuse the blabbering above, I am extremely tired, and coughing up a storm....just tell me what you think)

[patlajan]

Your topic is too broad and is already C material.

[Sip]

To me, immigration is like applying for anything else ... have an application process where you can evaluate the candidates and the ones that will be of most use (can contribute in the most positive ways) get in.

Sounds "unfair" but life is that way. So yah, I am all for "tough" selection criteria ... why should we allow any lazy bum with no prospects to be of any use to anyone to enter this country?

[violette829]

Originally posted by patlajan Your topic is too broad and is already C material.

DAMNIT...oh well, it's not my paper..LOL But seriously, I wrote a damn good essay about this. I just wanted to know what you thought about the subject PATLA JAN!!!!!!!!! Your opinions matter to me sweetheart!

[violette829]

Originally posted by Seapahn To me, immigration is like applying for anything else ... have an application process where you can evaluate the candidates and the ones that will be of most use (can contribute in the most positive ways) get in.

Sounds "unfair" but life is that way. So yah, I am all for "tough" selection criteria ... why should we allow any lazy bum with no prospects to be of any use to anyone to enter this country?

What do you define as lazy? I mean, given the proper education and opportunity, I think any NIMROD can make a good life here.

[Mikoyan]

Its an interesting topic,

maybe one you have to view from

a) moral view
b) view under current system
c) how these contradict and what is solution

a) Moral View

b) View under current system
"The French revolution of 1789 was the first to be fought under the banner of human rights. For the French revolutionaries the freedom to go where you wanted was as basic as the freedom to say what you thought. They were right. They were fighting against a regime that wouldn't let common people move from one part of France to another. The motive then, as now, was to control the movement of labour. In particular the King didn't want peasants running away from their overlords to work in the towns. So he controlled the movement of people so as to help the aristocracy keep commoners where they could screw them."

At the time of the great migration began, Britain was generally reckoned to be overcrowded. Its population at the battle of aterloo was about 10 million. Then as now, 'overcrowding' is measured by the ability of the productive forces to keep the population adequately fed, watered and housed. As Marx puts it, "every method of production that arises in the course of history has its own peculiar, historically valid, law of population."

Of course there were frictions between new arrivals and established workers. The recent film, 'The gangs of New York', depicts the battles between 'native Americans' and Irish immigrants. After the US Civil War it became fashionable to sneer at Swedish migrants instead. Twenty years later Swedish Americans were regarded as fellow North Europeans to be appealed to in the battle against South Europeans, such as Italians, and Jews - who were all dirty, lazy and lived in warrens like rabbits. In passing, one of the most depressing aspects of researching this background is to find out how utterly unoriginal all this racist rubbish is. The same abuse is passed down from generation to generation, and just hurled at the latest lot of incomers, whoever they happen to be.


have a look at the following sites, just to give an opposing slant, will increase your grades anyway

http://www.marxist.com/Europe/asylum_seek_truth.html

http://www.marxist.com/Europe/immigration_control.html

http://www.marxist.com/Africa/tragedy_immigrant0603.html

http://www.marxist.com/Europe/asylum_seek_gb.html

what you think?

[Sip]

Originally posted by violette829 What do you define as lazy? I mean, given the proper education and opportunity, I think any NIMROD can make a good life here.

I disagree. When I look around and see how many NIMRODs we already have around that have all sorts of opportunities thrown at them and yet, they choose not to take advantage.

Not saying there are no "disadvantaged" segments of the population here in the US. Sure there are many people that go through a lot of hardships and have it very tough. I am more referring to the ones that DO have it and yet waste it all away.

While I do believe that all humans deserve the same, basic, equal rights, I don't think all human beings are "created equal". Some are good, some are bad; some are smart, some are dumb; some are capable and ambitious while some are lazy and useless...

[violette829]

Thanx Mikoyan....that was very informative. Too bad the papers are done. LMAO Damnit my friends should be kissing my ass right about now.

[violette829]

Originally posted by Seapahn I disagree. When I look around and see how many NIMRODs we already have around that have all sorts of opportunities thrown at them and yet, they choose not to take advantage.

Not saying there are no "disadvantaged" segments of the population here in the US. Sure there are many people that go through a lot of hardships and have it very tough. I am more referring to the ones that DO have it and yet waste it all away.

While I do believe that all humans deserve the same, basic, equal rights, I don't think all human beings are "created equal". Some are good, some are bad; some are smart, some are dumb; some are capable and ambitious while some are lazy and useless...

Of course there are people here who don't take every opportunity that comes their way, but that's mostly the spoiled "natives" who are in a state of comfort and don't think that they need to work or get an education, because everything is being fed to them with a silver spoon. For those of us who can't afford to go to the top schools (private), therefore are at a disadvantage because our parents came here when they were already too old to go to school or become the successful business owners. Public school education is just ridiculous these days. When I was 7, in the 2nd grade, I remember thinking to myself, even though I didn't speak the language...."ES AMENE ESHEN" which means these people are all stupid! LOL I bet if we allowed education to be based only on a person's intelligence, we would have so much more QUALITY students taking up all the f*ckin parking spots at our universities.. This would lead to smarter graduates, smarter employees in the work force, better everything!

[clubbin714]

Immigrants are the life blood of our nation.

Immigrants and the children of immigrants are often hard-working, fluently English-speaking, money spending, county loving, tax paying citizens.