Historicity of the Jewish Holocaust

[Fadix]

Originally posted by Darorinag With regards to the population numbers, I guess Fadi found a different explanation between May 26, 2002 and March 2004 - he no longer believes that "from 1945 to 1948 it was the time of the baby boomers and that from statistics Jewish increase rate was one of their biggest in their history of existance." Now he believes that Jews inflated their population numbers. I guess during the span of 2 years, he had to find a more believable explanation.

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/thread?forumid=178855&messageid=1022354854&lp=1022419436

Hehe, I should like to hear what Fadi boy has to say about this.
But as usual, he will resort to personal attacks. Mark my words.

Notice the pattern, Fadi calls someone on that forum a "clown."

"G---- you are a clown, playing with numbers like this is really pathetic..,. idiots like you bring fantasmes into reality and act as barriers for the recognition of the genocide..."

Do you want more proof that you cannot have a normal discussion without resorting to labelling people, Fadi? And btw, I still have you on ignore. As I said before, if you want me to read your reply (i.e. not having wasted your time in posting something knowing that I wouldn't be seeing it), PM me and tell me you're done with the name-calling. It's really easy. Just one click away. You can do it.

Does anyone recognise the name Sulzberger? Was he Jewish by any chance? So we have:

16.5 million from The World Almanac (which quotes the American Jewish Committee)

Minimum of 15.7 million and maximum of 18.6 million from the NY Times.

Both coming from Jews. Now subtract the 6 million from 16.5, and you will have 10.5 million.

16.5 million - (minus) 6 million = 10.5 million.

So we have: 15.7 (using the lowest for the benefit of the exterminationists here) - 10.5 = 5.2 million.

5.2 million in about 10 year's time means:

1424 Jewish births per day for 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

Net increase of 1424 / day.

Or 33% increase in the world Jewish population between the years 1938 and 1948.

Assuming that 60% of the 10.5 million were females, EACH and EVERY Jewish woman (and I haven't taken out those who are incapable of procreating - that would increase the number of children per woman even more), would have to have 12 children.

An increase of 5.2 million per decade would mean the following:

For 50 years, a 165% increase in Jewish population. Which would mean that the current Jewish population should be about 42 million. Allowing the error margin to be +/- 10, that would mean a minimum of 32 million.

There are now around 13.2 million Jews around the world.

Figures.

Jerk, go enrole yourself on the trials for the DHA-clozapine, there is still hope for you. I am not a pathological liar like yourself, now be glad to tell me how an increase in population by birthrate downgrad my claim of population inflation?

Jerk, go read and answer me pathological liar... Jerk the liar, you keep crying that I bring things from other forums while I have never posted the link of another forum out of respect for this board...

[Fadix]

Answering Jerk Part I

This is just a short answer to Jerk regarding the plastered wall.

Jerk still maintain that there was such a thing as a plaster wall that could increase the PH(I dough he really knows of what he is talking about in the first place) to create the reaction (the blue in question). For that purposes Jerk refer to some quotes.

What Jerk ignores is that the gas chambers were reconstructed after being dynamited… the plasters that he IS talking is those of the reconstructions.

Jerk, the Church walls were all fresh plaster walls… the plasters we find in the Krema 2 are traces of plasters that do not prove there was any plaster wall covering the gas chambers like Rudolf supposes. Jerk, there is even no plaster for the breach on the concrete on the construction of the chamber. Your Rudolf working in two ways logic supposes that since there was none it is dubious that the Germans would not plaster them… but when it suits him he insinuate that there was a plaster wall, because it will simplify he analysis since the church he refers to has one.

Jerk, “prove” me that there was a plaster wall… prove me the original gas chambers had plaster walls… can you Jerk? No you can’t.

Jerk, you have yet to tell me how come Cyanide was found on the locations where the gas chambers were situated, you have yet to tell me how there was cyanide found in gas chambers that were build AFTER the disinfections for the typhus. Jerk! Pathological liar answer those Jerk.

Ladies and Gentleman.

Jerk the coward and psychotic talk in my back in his forum claiming that I am accusing him of being someone he is not. I leave people to decide his cases. Will anyone want to have a discussion with a Jerk like him? The guy not only lies and deny, but he even talks on your back elsewhere and make fun of you, when the premise is his own lie.

Looser, are you really that delusioned to think that you have “roasted” me? I told you, take your anti-psychotics and reread the exchanges.

I am waiting Jerk that you show us that when the evidences are hard enough you can accept something.

-Admit being Den
-Admit not having read Hilbergs work
-Admit not having read anything from Irving
-Admit not having read the transcript of the Judge

Let start with those Jerk… show us all that when evidences are presented you accept something… ah and me thinks that or your Zyprexa should be doubled in doses, or you need a more potent anti-psychotic.

[Darorinag]

On Zyklon B and ventilation:

According to many "eyewitness" accounts, the "gas chamber" doors were opened a "short moment' after the zyklon B was introduced, after they had heard "cries." Exterminationists claim that a Zyklon B gassing can do its job at poisoning people in 15 minutes or so.

It takes several hours for the Zyklon B to discharge all its HCN. So while the not-fully-released poison gas might've killed the people inside the chamber, the reaction would continue for more than 2 hrs after that, until all the HCN is discharged. "Witness" accounts say that the ventilation system was started after 10 minutes, and after 30 minutes, they went in without gas masks/ protection to remove the bodies. Now that is technically impossible, as the Zyklon B would still be releasing the poisonous gas.

The story then changed, and it is alleged that the Zyklon B was pulled out of the morgue after about 10 minutes. There is no proof to that. Nowhere in Hoss's, or any other person's testimonies is such a thing mentioned.

I think this sketch puts it very eloquently:

[Darorinag]

I hope Fadix is catching up on the readings.

[Darorinag]

Gas chambers at Dachau? Try again.

It is now established that Dachau was not a death camp.

Dr. Franz Blaha, a prisoner at the camp, testified during the Nuremberg Trials as follows:

[quote]Many executions by gas or shooting or injections took place right in the camp. The gas chamber was completed in 1944, and I was called by Dr. Rascher to examine the first victims. Of the eight or nine persons in the chamber there were three still alive, and the remainder appeared to be dead. Their eyes were red, and their faces were swollen. Many prisoners were later killed in this way.

[...]

Mental patients were liquidated by being led to the gas chamber and injected there or shot."

Jan. 11, 1946.

IMT, vol. 5, p. 198 (PS-3249)

Someone had apparently lost his mind and his statements were consequently taken as facts!!

[Darorinag]

Well, I am bored. Anyone interested in reviving this thread and talking more about history?

I thought I'd post this development in here (I had posted it on my journal a while back, but forgot to post it here):

After a few hours of browsing the USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum) photo gallery, I noticed two different photos that had the same person in it, and which had contradictory captions.

One caption says: A Polish boy and his father bury the body of the boy's grandmother, who died in the Nordhausen concentration camp. (Photo #00644, Page 23, Photo 572 out of 621)

The other says: German civilians from the town of Nordhausen bury the bodies of former prisoners found in the Nordhausen concentration camp in a mass grave. (Photo #00646, Page 14, Photo 347 out of 621)

(The links are dynamic, so I can't post them.)

Same man. Polish or German? Survivor or civilian?

Both photos are dated Apr 13, 1945 - Apr 14, 1945 on the USHMM website, and the location is indicated as Nordhausen, [Thuringia] Germany.

I sent an e-mail to Andrew Hollinger, the Assistant Director of USHMM. Here's what I said:

Dear Mr. Hollinger,

It came to my attention recently that the USHMM website has been attaching contradictory captions to its Holocaust photographs.

For example, the following two photographs have contradictory captions:

Photograph #00646 (http://www.ushmm.org/photos/00/00646.jpg)

and

Photograph #00644 (http://www.ushmm.org/photos/00/00644.jpg)

I'd be grateful if you could please explain how the contradiction arose, and which caption is the correct one.

Thanks.

He replied more than a week later, asking me to please send him the captions that I was claiming were contradictory. I did.

He replied to that e-mail, saying:

Thanks for sending this along. I've reviewed the photos and captions and am afraid I don't see any contradictions here. Image 00646 is of German civilians burying bodies of former Nordhausen inmates. The second states a survivor family prohibited Germans from touching the body of a deceased relative. This was an individual case, where a family recognized a body and handled it personally, but German civilians were recruited to bury the others. Is this the contradiction you were referring to? If not, let me know, and I will try to provide more information. Thanks.

To which I replied:

Mr. Hollinger,

I'm talking about the man in both photos. How can the same man be both Polish and German, both a survivor of the camps and a German civilian who lives in that area? And I doubt that anyone would actually argue that it's not the same man in both photos.

And finally he said, in a reply:

Thank you for pointing that out. It does seem to be the same person, and our photo archivist has edited the caption of him in the photo #00646 to correctly identify him. The online version will be corrected in a couple of weeks. Thank you for contacting us about this.

Notice how he claimed he couldn't see any contradictions in the two photos and captions UNTIL I told him it was the same man in both photos....

Bottom line, expressed in my reply to that last e-mail from Mr. Hollinger:

Thank you for fixing the caption. However, I was wondering what actually caused this mistake, and if people should expect more such discrepancies in the captioning of the photos? What is the source of your captions, if I may ask? I would like to do more research on this, and would appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction.

So much about reliable photos and captions that prove that the holocaust took place.

Score update: Revisionists 1,000,000, Exterminationists 0.

Comments, criticism?

[Anonymouse]

Well you had to bring this back didn't you? Why don't you state the basics of revisionism so that some newbies can be acquainted.

[Darorinag]

Well you had to bring this back didn't you?

Seeing that there are very few threads in here that interest me, yes, I had to.

Why don't you state the basics of revisionism so that some newbies can be acquainted.

Are you being sarcastic? Even if you are, I'll go ahead and write some stuff on this.. There are very few basics revisionism has, the most important of which is that it's not concerned with flat-out denial (due to political/social agendas) of things that DID happen, but rather an attempt at arriving to historical TRUTH (even if those findings do not please us and our PERSONAL views of the parties involved). There are no "rules" for revisionism. You can go about proving whatever you want however you wish, as long as it is based on FACTS and supported by EVIDENCE rather than wishful thinking. That's about it.

As for what revisionists BELIEVE, well, there isn't really a defined set of beliefs that all revisionists subscribe to. But one thing is for sure, all TRUE revisionists are concerned with HISTORICAL TRUTH, and nothing else. As for their PERSONAL views, they have no place in their arguments, because their arguments must be supported not by opinions but by evidence. So using the personal views argument (e.g: David Irving is a neo-Nazi) in no way disqualifies their arguments, because that is fallacious reasoning.

[loseyourname]

After a few hours of browsing the USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum) photo gallery, I noticed two different photos that had the same person in it, and which had contradictory captions.

You have to be kidding me. Are you really that obsessed that you spend hours looking through museum photos trying to find inconsistencies?

[Darorinag]

You have to be kidding me. Are you really that obsessed that you spend hours looking through museum photos trying to find inconsistencies?

Obsessed? Certainly not. Genuinely interested in researching their claims to historical truth? Definitely. Any research takes hours and days and weeks, not to mention dedication. Bottom line is, there were discrepancies, and it proved just what I was saying - that photos and their respective captions do not qualify as "evidence", because captions can easily be toyed with (and this was a more obvious case)..