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Achkerov kute.
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Originally posted by AnonymouseWe are talking about ideas not details. The basement is darker than my room. I am happier than Sam. You two apparently misconstrue everything. Situational relativity has no bearing on the idea itself. I already clarified this, but you, in the haze of things, apparently didn't read well enough.
While I know you love and won't give up any chance you get at trying to oppose me, this particular instance is pointless. No one said it was not up for debate, pay attention. What I did say was that he misunderstood the whole brunt of my thread on where I placed the emphasis.
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Originally posted by loseyournameYou said that man lives in a world of opposites, which is not true in the examples you gave. We don't live in a world of things that are either big or small. We live in a world of things that are either bigger or smaller than one another. These are not details. The "idea" of big and the "idea" of dark do not exist as absolute concepts. They are relative concepts. If you contend otherwise, then again, what is the cut-off point at which an object becomes either big or dark?
Originally posted by loseyournameOkay. You state that one of the points of this thread was to show that morality is divine in origin. Dusken comes in and says that it is a byproduct of natural selection. You then say that is irrelevant because you say it is divine in origin. Am I missing something here? What is it?Achkerov kute.
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Originally posted by AnonymouseYou are apparently back to your old form, tryin to nitpick some non-issue to have a simple reason to disagree, not because it is logical, but because it comes from me. However, back to the point. We are not talking about little details here loser, we are talking about concepts, that unfortunately, you aren't probably familiar with, since the world is consisted of ideas and ideas revolve around opposites, the idea of dark opposes light, regardless of what is darker or lighter. Positive negative. Hot and cold. Life and death. Male and female, etc. This isn't about cut off points. Unfortunately, you didn't think your response through all the way for in your hurry of trying to have something to argue with, you apparently ignored that I already explained this to the dusken.
Yes you are, for I said that was but a small part of the whole point of the thread, for I did make mention that it mattered not, since the emphasis was more on objectivity of morality, and obviously I will argue for a divine origin. I see you have not changed much since our last meetings in the evolution thread, when in a hurry you would pick anything, no matter how much of a non-issue, so long as it opposed.
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Originally posted by loseyournameThis is not a non-issue. The whole issue is whether or not we exist in a world composed entirely of dichotomies. You contend that we do, and I contend that we don't. Life and death is a dichotomy. Male and female is a dichotomy. Dark and light is not. Big and small is not. They are not opposing concepts. I am dark relative to my mother and light relative to my father. I am big relative to my little sisters and small relative to Shaquille O'Neal. Do you not see this? An object can be both light and dark, both big and small. These are not opposing concepts.
Originally posted by loseyournameAre you contending that I've never once agreed with you? Is your memory really that bad?Achkerov kute.
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Originally posted by AnonymouseYou do not follow moral obligations because you are granted eternity or whatever, you follow them because they are right, they follow from the premise of objective morality, that some things are right and some things are wrong. You are misconstruing the concept of the hereafter with selfishness. The concept designates man's soul as everlasting, a spiritual being that lives beyond material existence.
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Originally posted by AnonymouseWe do exist in a dichotomy. Example. If I am in my room, it is full of light. I go in the basement, it is dark. Now that is a dichotomy and what I said is based on situational relevance. If I go to another person basement perhaps it is darker than mine because somehow light managed to penetrated through cracks and such, and the other persons basement is darker. That is the only time where your relativism matters. As far as the idea, it remains unyielding and unscathed.
Large - Small
Short - Tall
Sharp - Dull
Fat - Thin
etc.
I'm not trying to say dichotomies don't exist. But not all concepts exist as dichotomies. Many concepts are only relative. We don't live in a world composed entirely of opposing ideas.
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As a matter of fact, I have never met anybody like that
That said, the subjective nature of the human mind doesn't imply the non-existence of objective truths. Actually, claiming the contrary would be attempting to state an absolute truth (that which negates the existence of absolute truth). Quite a paradox.
Also, someone can be spiritual and not believe in the Judeo-Christian god
For the christian, the outlook is quite clear "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (Mat 12:30).
The modern dilemna has best been expressed by F.M. Dostoyevsky in the Legend of the Grand Inquisitor.
http://www.tameri.com/csw/exist/dostgi.html. Probably the most important lines in the literature of the last few centuries.
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Originally posted by Crimson GlowBut...most of what you consider moral revolves around humans fighting their nature (i.e. not having sex with everything in sight, because it is morally wrong/a sin). People have to fight this, because there is eternal punishment if you give in to your natural tendancies. What I'm asking is, regardless of objectively moral or not, would people fight these urges/sins if there were no promise of a reward for doing so?Achkerov kute.
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