Turkey manages to displace 378,000 ethnic minorites

[karakitap]

OK, the reason why I did not interest this topic is because it is one of those dozens of "lets label Turkey" thread. Yes, govenrment displaced some Kurdish citizens by evaquating the villages. We protested those policies in the strests, we protested a lot of things in Turkey. That's why Turkey became more democratic state comparing to 1992-93.
But I don't have a desire to discuss those issues with you since your aim is not discussing democratisation issues in Turkey but labelling Turkey with your obsessive hatred.
I don2t discuss with you because you are not kind of people who cares about humanity, democracy, etc. If you were so you would start by Armenia instead of Turkey. Armenia is your country not Turkey, so if you care about those issues too much first critisize your people instead of Turks. Armenia is suffering with facisit government, lack of democracy, corruption, etc. If you do this first, then I can believe your honesty and discuss about Turkey's problems with you.

[Thai-Samurai]

Dude, I'm so sorry.

[karakitap]

Dude, I'm so sorry.

Is this all? don't you have anything to say?

[karakitap]

Fine, so don't bother me complaining about your stupid copy/paste threads anymore, bye...

[Thai-Samurai]

I made this thread when we were being insulted by really mean immature Turks, not because of intellectual Turks like you. The point was Turkey is still doing bad things to people, it was for the Genocide denyers. To show that Turks are completely capable of doing the Genocide.
But you had some good points so I apologized.
The point is the Genocide happened. It was violently aggresive and humiliating to our people. And although Armenia has a lot of problems we are fixing them and we still want the Genocide recognized in order to normalize ties w/ Turkey again. That's all.

[karakitap]

I know how you feel about the recognition of genocide by Turkey. But this is not a thing that can be done from today to tomorrow because of several facts. Let me count some facts why genocide is a hard issue in Turkey.
1. Ordinary people in Turkey don't know anything about 1915.
2. People in Turkey feel they are blackmailing by Armenian diaspora to recognize genocide. You have to understand that this is a sensitive issue and can not be solved by force.
3. You turned this a political issue instead of historical. People think that you are blackmailing some countries parliements who have no idea about 1915.
4. People think that (and I share this opinion) they are not sure whether the recognition is the final step or the first step to demand some other things like money, land, etc.
I want to normalize relations between Turkey and Armenia too. But we have to solve our problems by mutually speaking, not by force of international community. I admit that Turkey had made some faults about this issue by creating a government rhetoric like "no, they killed us, there is nothing to talk about, nothin happened at 1915,etc"
But you also have to admit that not Armenia but diasporan Armenians are also the fact that make the issue unsovled, too.

[nairi]

Actually, Sev Shun, you seem to have forgotten the fact that Turkey has been dragging this issue for 90 years. Had the Turks never committed genocide, this issue would not even be discussed. Had Turkey apologized and compensated, as any normal human being and nation should do, 85 years ago, we would not be discussing this issue right now.

History should be left to historians and politics to politicians. The Armenian genocide was committed by politicians and continues to be denied by politicans. You decide whether this is a historical or political issue.

In other words, blame your government instead of blaming the victims and their descendants when they ask, request, or demand justice, and consequently, compensation. You should have feared 90 years ago before committing genocide instead of trembling like dogs now. What the hell were you thinking? That we'd let you get away with it?? Come on now, get real. Acccept the genocide, and everything else that comes with it, the sooner the better. You deserve it, and so do we. Even if that means losing a bit of your land and a few billion dollars. That's about as much as you stole from us, so don't come blaming us for asking it back. That's the least we deserve after being forced into exile for over 85 years.

[karakitap]

Actually, Sev Shun, you seem to have forgotten the fact that Turkey has been dragging this issue for 90 years. Had the Turks never committed genocide, this issue would not even be discussed. Had Turkey apologized and compensated, as any normal human being and nation should do, 85 years ago, we would not be discussing this issue right now.

History should be left to historians and politics to politicians. The Armenian genocide was committed by politicians and continues to be denied by politicans. You decide whether this is a historical or political issue.

In other words, blame your government instead of blaming the victims and their descendants when they ask, request, or demand justice, and consequently, compensation. You should have feared 90 years ago before committing genocide instead of trembling like dogs now. What the hell were you thinking? That we'd let you get away with it?? Come on now, get real. Acccept the genocide, and everything else that comes with it, the sooner the better. You deserve it, and so do we. Even if that means losing a bit of your land and a few billion dollars. That's about as much as you stole from us, so don't come blaming us for asking it back. That's the least we deserve after being forced into exile for over 85 years.

Nairi, noone is trembling like dogs. Don't speak as if you have a power or anyone is afraid of your power. You are as weak as before and you will live with this weakness in your little landlocked state as a third world country if you don't establish good relations with Turkey. I am sorry but this is the reality. I know how you feel weak, insecure and you are trying to behave as if you have the control or initiative. But this childish acts don't contribute to find a solution to the problem. Turkey can live denying genocide like it lived 90 years. Armenia is not an important country and noone can force Turks to do otherwise except bother Turkey with some weak political claims. So it is you who have the problem. Yes, you are the victim of history but sorry this is the reality of the world. So instead of trying to insult a person like me who is looking for a solution on your side, be a mature person, face with the reality and contribute for a solution, not for stupid revenge dreams.

[Thai-Samurai]

So pretty much you look at the Genocide issue logically, but then when we say the reasons why we bring up the Genocide issue you get angry and say we don't have the power to make you change. We just want you to admit what you did. And give us some of our old land back with our old churches on it. Like Ani and Van.

"So instead of trying to insult a person like me who is looking for a solution on your side, be a mature person, face with the reality and contribute for a solution, not for stupid revenge dreams."

Here's a good solution. Admit what you did, instead of saying you won't because we can't make you, and I'm sure we can normalize relations.

"face with the reality" you say, I'm facing it. Turkey should face it.

[nairi]

You're the one interpreting this as revenge. I spoke of justice, something, you, with your highness, do not seem to understand yet.

There is nothing to discuss. We have already been over it all. Turkey either recognizes its own history and lives as a dignified nation, or continues in its nationalistically fascist lies and remains a retarted nation. You choose.

As for Armenia, don't you worry. Time will tell who will survive and who won't.