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  • #1

    Social constuction of reality and history

    That title seems open enough that very little would be 'off topic.'

    Questions: What is 'reality." Who defines what constitutes reality? When someone studies history, doesn't it matter that 'those who 'win' write history? Should we study only what the 'winners' write? (I don't think so. Might does not mean right.)

    Comments: George Bush is already speaking about his worries about how 'revisionist' history will portray his administration's future actions.

    [Read, the 'history' that hasn't yet happened , will be wrote by those 'crazy' revisionists who look at things from other's perspectives.]

    That, TO ME, is one of the most hilarious things I've heard out of him, and he spews funny (meaning so absurd, you need to laugh, or you'd CRY).


    He is talking about how he worries that 'history' WILL, in the future, describe his presidency in a bad light. LOL, LOL) I've got many thoughts on that alone, but that is certainly enough for Anonymous (he's a sharp guy) to reply. My questions are the main topic, though. My comment, an example.
    Last edited by Anahita; 04-19-2006, 09:06 PM.
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    Re: Social constuction of reality and history

    Originally posted by Anahita
    That title seems open enough that very little would be 'off topic.'

    Ok, questions: What is 'reality." Who defines what constitutes reality? When someone studies history, doesn't it matter that 'those who 'win' write history? Should we study only what the 'winners' write? (I don't think so.) Might don't equal right.

    Ccomments: George Bush is already talks about his worries about how 'revisionist' history will portray him (THAT, TO ME, is one of the most hilarious things I've heard out of him, and his got BIG hilarity spewed, too. He is talking about how 'history' WILL, in the future, describe his presidency.) I've got many thoughts, but that is certainly enough for Anonymous (he's a sharp guy) to reply.
    What made you think that I favor studying the winners side? Furthermore, if you want to know what reality is, there is a very simple explanation I can offer you but I doubt it will suffice for you since you seem to be bent on making things very complicated in an effort to have something to talk about.

    Reality is simply everything that is. You will be surprised how easy some things are answered, yet in an effort to seem 'deep' and 'philosophical' people try too hard to create the aroma of uncertainty or 'skepticism' where there is none.
    Achkerov kute.

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    • #3
      Re: Social constuction of reality and history

      Originally posted by Anonymouse
      What made you think that I favor studying the winners side? Furthermore, if you want to know what reality is, there is a very simple explanation I can offer you but I doubt it will suffice for you since you seem to be bent on making things very complicated in an effort to have something to talk about.

      Reality is simply everything that is. You will be surprised how easy some things are answered, yet in an effort to seem 'deep' and 'philosophical' people try too hard to create the aroma of uncertainty or 'skepticism' where there is none.
      I never said that. Understand that sometimes I make general points not meant to counter your ideas. Often (not always, tho) I am adding to what you say... seriously... that's been a communication problem between us. I say... and you say... and you say "You just supported what I said" (which is what I meant to do. I guess I should be clearer.

      Reality is everything that is? Hmmm. ELABORATE.

      If you think I will be surprised, Anonymouse, Surprise me! The rest of that sentence was empty from what I read.

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        Re: Social constuction of reality and history

        Originally posted by Anahita
        I never said that. Understand that sometimes I make general points not meant to counter your ideas. Often (not always, tho) I am adding to what you say... seriously... that's been a communication problem between us. I say... and you say... and you say "You just supported what I said" (which is what I meant to do. I guess I should be clearer.

        Reality is everything that is? Hmmm. ELABORATE.

        If you think I will be surprised, Anonymouse, Surprise me! The rest of that sentence was empty from what I read.
        This post was part of reality.

        Actually, think of it this way. There is nothing you can name that isn't somehow a part of reality.
        Achkerov kute.

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        • #5
          Re: Social constuction of reality and history

          Originally posted by Anonymouse
          This post was part of reality.

          Actually, think of it this way. There is nothing you can name that isn't somehow a part of reality.
          So, would you agree that there is
          1. Biophysical reality (flesh and bone, natural physics, science studies this stuff)
          2. Expressions of biophysical reality (like words and art and poetry and so on, only 'new physics', as far as science goes has even started to learn about. Religion has always been somewhat here, but way too much in #3, and in odd denial of #1.)
          3. Non-ordinary reality? (something that can only be put in words, somewhat, THRU ART?)
          Last edited by Anahita; 04-19-2006, 09:33 PM.

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            Re: Social constuction of reality and history

            Originally posted by Anahita
            So, would you agree that there is
            1. Biophysical reality (flesh and bone, natural physics, science studies this stuff)
            2. Expressions of biophysical reality (like words and art and poetry and so on, only 'new physics', as far as science goes has even started to learn about. Religion has always been somewhat here, but way too much in #3, and in odd denial of #1.)
            3. Non-ordinary reality? (something that can only be put in words, somewhat, THRU ART?)
            What part of 'everything' didn't you understand?
            Achkerov kute.

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            • #7
              Re: Social constuction of reality and history

              Originally posted by Anonymouse
              What part of 'everything' didn't you understand?
              Ok, then... what part of EXIST because I believe you do, don't YOU understand? I told you, we can't have a conversation on 'this' logic!

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              • #8
                Re: Social constuction of reality and history

                Originally posted by Anahita
                Ok, then... what part of EXIST because I believe you do, don't YOU understand? I told you, we can't have a conversation on 'this' logic!
                What? Again, I didn't understand what you said. For example: "what part of EXIST because I believe you do". Just what are you trying to say there? Even someone who gets kicks speaking in tongues and parables and metaphors will realize there is something wrong in that sentence. Can you please restate?
                Achkerov kute.

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                • #9
                  Re: Social constuction of reality and history

                  Originally posted by Anonymouse
                  What? Again, I didn't understand what you said. For example: "what part of EXIST because I believe you do". Just what are you trying to say there? Even someone who gets kicks speaking in tongues and parables and metaphors will realize there is something wrong in that sentence. Can you please restate?
                  I was talking about something you said in the "Irony of Religion" thread. Like the metaphysical what would be the point of talking if you only exist in my mind, or something like that. By the way, I do know you read what I say and I very much appreciate that alone. You are a big part of why I choose to say certain things here...

                  HERE, I'm hoping to talk about 'reality' and 'history' (not that this isn't clearly part of that, but I doubt most people will remotely get that without following our back n' forth.)

                  Look at the QUESTIONS part. Thats open and I want to hear your ideas.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Social constuction of reality and history

                    History is all about perspectives. As such, there are some versions that are more true than others, and yet some versions that simply reak of mindlessness of court historians. What history is taught is important as it is what molds the minds of the individual elements within that society. A society that is ignorant not only of its own history, but history in general, is a society that is lost. What do you want to know about history? It's relation to reality? That is too vague and somewhat incoherent. You need to specify your question.
                    Last edited by Anonymouse; 04-19-2006, 11:47 PM.
                    Achkerov kute.

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