Communism, Socialism, Capitalism, Nationalism, etc.

[Կարմիր Բ]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

We do know that. That is why nationalziation nearly bankrupted that country. The amount of hyperinflation under Allende, and the amount of private property he confiscated and stole is scary and that you support this sort of thievery is not far from you. Was it right for Chilean society to be completely destroyed and reduced to Cuba-like poverty just because Allende managed to get 36% of the vote. If you encourage free market policies, you should act like you do, not pretend. From what I gather, you're promotion of markets is only skin deep.

And to complain that some people benefit more from freedom in no way negates the fact that everyone is relatively better off as a result. If the "poor" go from $10,000 a year income to $20,000 a year in real terms, who cares that some people also went from $100,000 to $300,000? Society is still better off and living standards are improved.

A high growth rate does not necessarily mean a good living standard. In Romania, there is a growth rate of over 4% in the past four years, but there has been ZERO improvement in the living standards of the majority of the population. The same applies to Slovakia, which is far poorer than its Czech neighbors.

This is because the wealth is not equally distributed.


Conclusion: Economical growth and improvement in the stardards of living are not necessarily confounded

They have been teaching us this chit since highschool.

Like I have stressed hundred times all you have to do is to compare Armenia, or even Russia for that matter, of the 80's with the current Capitalist situation. I can bring you statistics that can utterly refute you immediately.

Without free trade, markets and private property, we would still be living in stone age or the Middle Ages barely meeting the point of subsistence. Like I said, if you want to have your Communist club you can start your society in the woods and know that, not everyone wants to be dragged into your social engineering of society.

Hmmm.. I don't think you really understood me. I wrote that I actually support Free Trade.

[parthiapride]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

Being poor is not that bad.

You have to be happy with what you have.

No matter what the financial situation.

The problem with advertising, commercialization and the consumer culture in general is that it conditions people to WANT more since the day they were born...

It's always more and more, never enough...

Thus the obesity epidemic and supersizing of everything in this country...Supersize Me is a good illustration.

[skhara]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

Being poor is not that bad.
Supersize Me is a good illustration.

I have watched that film about 7 month ago, I have not once gone in to a McDonalds since.

xxxx consumerism!


I bring up my question again. What is wrong with National Socialiasm?

[skhara]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

xxxx those pesky kikes.

What do they have to do with anything other than being enemies of the third Reich?

I mean what's wrong with National Socialism as a national ideology -- meaning Socialism along with with Nationalism in one Nation?

[Կարմիր Բ]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

What do they have to do with anything other than being enemies of the third Reich?

I mean what's wrong with National Socialism as a national ideology -- meaning Socialism along with with Nationalism in one Nation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_One_Country

[parthiapride]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

This from wiki confuses me even more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party

[karoaper]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

What do they have to do with anything other than being enemies of the third Reich?

I mean what's wrong with National Socialism as a national ideology -- meaning Socialism along with with Nationalism in one Nation?

Nationalism is important and I believe Socialism is also important, so Nationalist Socialism is fine. Except that both have to stay within the healthy limits. Too much Nationalism and you have ambitions of world-domination, too much Socialism and you have repressive and controlling government. One thing with Nationalism is it should be foremost directed inward. Nationalists shouldn't point fingers at anyone until they make their own country and their own government put the needs of the people at the top, meaning elimination of corruption. Likewise, enough Socialistic steps need to be taken to reign the corrupt not in the government but in the private sector, but not more. It's a very tough balance to strike, but one that will be most fair and balanced. Otherwise you'll fall in either of 2 extremes (e.g. pure Capitalism vs. Communism)

[parthiapride]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

I like the welfare-warfare state we have in the U.S.

Satan bless America.

[Կարմիր Բ]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

This from wiki confuses me even more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party

Hitler was not a socialist, or a capitalist, or any of that: He was a pragmatist.

He played to whatever he could.

He took up ''National Socialism'' because it was the best way to consolidate power in his hands, including economic power.

Whether a country is socialist or capitalist is defined by the relationship between the means of production. Nazi Germany was State Capitalist.

As for Socialism in one country. There is a Trotskyist site here that stresses this issue, you can read them if you want.

http://www.newyouth.com/archives/the...impossible.asp

[skhara]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

I like the way you put. My ideal and utopian nationalism is very local in nature. You know, homegrown stuff. Support the farmers. Recycle. etc... On the socialist system, I kind of like Tito's Yugoslavian model where he didn't exterminate any "kulaks" unlike the mass-murdering Bolsheviks.

Nationalism is important and I believe Socialism is also important, so Nationalist Socialism is fine. Except that both have to stay within the healthy limits. Too much Nationalism and you have ambitions of world-domination, too much Socialism and you have repressive and controlling government. One thing with Nationalism is it should be foremost directed inward. Nationalists shouldn't point fingers at anyone until they make their own country and their own government put the needs of the people at the top, meaning elimination of corruption. Likewise, enough Socialistic steps need to be taken to reign the corrupt not in the government but in the private sector, but not more. It's a very tough balance to strike, but one that will be most fair and balanced. Otherwise you'll fall in either of 2 extremes (e.g. pure Capitalism vs. Communism)