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[Anonymouse]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

Just stop people being able to be rich simply by having rich parents (get rid of inheritance) and stop people being able to get a better education simply by having rich parents (get rid of private schools).

And here the silly little Marxist with his discredited ideology exhibits exactly of what the root of Marx and his socialist demons were, the politics of envy. They are envious that they are not rich. Not only do they lack the tools and mental qualifications to succeed in work, life and education, they cannot save money either or invest and hence, since they are economically, intellectually and financially profane, they must blame everyone else for their ineptitude. I'm sorry, in the real world, you aren't entitled to anything, and if you want something you have to earn it. No free rides and certainly not from you. How else do you propose your program for utopia? It will still involve coercion and force to take wealth of people to sprinkle it over society.

If you had some intellectual honesty you would agree with me here.

O thou art as tedious as a tired horse, a railing wife, worse than a smoky house.

[Կարմիր Բ]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

Not only do they lack the tools and mental qualifications to succeed in work, life and education, they cannot save money either or invest and hence, since they are economically, intellectually and financially profane, they must blame everyone else for their ineptitude.

That is untrue, we are in fact the intelligent one's which is why we are communists after all. As for my financial situation, I will probably become more successful in my life than all of the little conservative spoiled brats altogether.

I'm sorry, in the real world, you aren't entitled to anything, and if you want something you have to earn it.

I don't advocate the opposite.

It will still involve coercion and force to take wealth of people to sprinkle it over society.

Ah but you see the wealth of the majority people was gained by theft. Earning 50$ for working for 100$ is theft.

But I assume that you will now copy and paste the discredited theories of ''The Austrian School'' and their various ''subjective'' fairy tales.

You are still unable to justify on why unintelligent individuals, such as Paris Hilton for example, should be billionaires merely because her daddy was. They probably haven't worked not even one day in their entire life’s.

You see your assertion is flawed and I challenge you to prove it.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

That is untrue, we are in fact the intelligent one's which is why we are communists after all. As for my financial situation, I will probably become more successful in my life than all of the little conservative spoiled brats altogether.

Who said anything about being conservative? So why don't you be a good little marxist and set an example and give up half of all your earnings and wealth and possessions!

I don't advocate the opposite.

Yes you do even though you are too inept to realize it. Where else do you think the confiscated wealth and property from the haves is going? To the have nots who haven't earned it.

Ah but you see the wealth of the majority people was gained by theft. Earning 50$ for working for 100$ is theft.

This makes no sense. Unless you demonstrate how it was theft you have no case. All that we have is people voluntarily choosing to work for a given wage. You don't have to like it. And if those people don't like it, they can find another job.

But I assume that you will now copy and paste the discredited theories of ''The Austrian School'' and their various ''subjective'' fairy tales.

Nothing from the Austrian minds has been discredited by Marxists. In fact, it was Mises as well as Hayek who predicted the collapse of socialism, and guess what, Mises was right!

You are still unable to justify on why unintelligent individuals, such as Paris Hilton for example, should be billionaires merely because her daddy was. They probably haven't worked not even one day in their entire life’s.

Nothing is fair. I loathe Paris Hilton as much as you, but people are willing to pay for that 5lut. That is the way it goes. She has marketing power, she comes from a rich father who built a hotel empire, and that is the way that is. You don't have to like it.

You see your assertion is flawed and I challenge you to prove it.

You have yet to show anything is flawed except that you're displeased and pissed off.

[parthiapride]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

Nothing from the Austrian minds has been discredited by Marxists. In fact, it was Mises as well as Hayek who predicted the collapse of socialism, and guess what, Mises was right!

Actually the trend in Latin America seems to be drifting towards the left again, take Venezuela for example...

[Anonymouse]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

Actually the trend in Latin America seems to be drifting towards the left again, take Venezuela for example...

And again toward utter decadence. Latin America has been a prime example of how strong the belief is in the wrong things. They never really had any concept of capitalism or free markets to begin with. It is precisely because of too much government that competititon was not introduced into that subcontinent and the inane ideas of Auguste Comte have become dogma. Every academic down there believes the problem to solving is the State, and the only exception seems to be Chile, which has actually done rather well compared to the others since it has promoted pro market legislation and encouraged investments to some degree.

[Կարմիր Բ]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

Who said anything about being conservative? So why don't you be a good little marxist and set an example and give up half of all your earnings and wealth and possessions!

Ah but you see this is the key to everything.

I haven't earned my money and my wealth by employing other people.

Yes you do even though you are too inept to realize it. Where else do you think the confiscated wealth and property from the haves is going? To the have nots who haven't earned it.

The only property that the communists will confiscate is the one of that insignificant 1% that is controlling more than the 50% of the wealth of the earth. Wealth that they have stolen from the working class while 6.000.000 children under the age of 5 are dying every year, while in the western ''advanced'' countries, commodities are being destroyed so that the Capital can maintain the prices high in order to profit and steal the unpaid labor of the workers. Your unpaid labor.

This makes no sense. Unless you demonstrate how it was theft you have no case. All that we have is people voluntarily choosing to work for a given wage. You don't have to like it. And if those people don't like it, they can find another job.

For non-workers in capitalism it does not matter if the regional supermarket is full of food, they must go hungry without money. It does not matter if there are thousands of vacant apartments on the market, they must be homeless without money.

Or they must convince some employed individual or some larger collective to ''support'' them.

Nothing from the Austrian minds has been discredited by Marxists. In fact, it was Mises as well as Hayek who predicted the collapse of socialism, and guess what, Mises was right!

That is only your opinion.

It was a Marxist named Hilferding who completely and utterly refuted subjective bourgeois economics in his Bohm-Bahwerks criticism of Marx.

Nothing is fair. I loathe Paris Hilton as much as you, but people are willing to pay for that 5lut. That is the way it goes. She has marketing power, she comes from a rich father who built a hotel empire, and that is the way that is. You don't have to like it.

You come into my point.

The education in a capitalist system is precisely education towards furthering the system: business based degrees and job skills. There are exceptions, of course, but the trend remains. Not only is this bad because it makes capitalism stagnant , but also because a key assumption that capitalism works on is that people will make rational decisions. Note that by "rational" here, I mean both knowledge of the relevant facts, and also the ability to think clear-headedly.

Not only does capitalism not promote a healthy sense of education, but in fact it actually fights against it. This is precisely what advertising is all about, preventing the consumer from making the most rational decision.


Conclusion: The capitalist educational system is a total failure since the people, intentionally, are not taught how to think , but they are taught a huge sum of knowledge which is by no means used for the progress of the society but strictly for the profit of the Capital.

Hence why there are also tards who support the likes of Paris Hilton.

You still haven't stressed on why should Paris Hilton be a billionaire or why should people for example who have never worked in their entire xxxxing lifes inherit the property of their daddy ?

You have yet to show anything is flawed except that you're displeased and pissed off.

Not really, I am very calm.

[Կարմիր Բ]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

And again toward utter decadence. Latin America has been a prime example of how strong the belief is in the wrong things. They never really had any concept of capitalism or free markets to begin with. It is precisely because of too much government that competititon was not introduced into that subcontinent and the inane ideas of Auguste Comte have become dogma. Every academic down there believes the problem to solving is the State, and the only exception seems to be Chile, which has actually done rather well compared to the others since it has promoted pro market legislation and encouraged investments to some degree.

Who is to blame for the political instabillity of Latin America ? Who was the one who has been always organizing coups and fascist paramilitary groups in America's backyard ?

[Anonymouse]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

Who is to blame for the political instabillity of Latin America ? Who was the one who has been always organizing coups and fascist paramilitary groups in America's backyard ?

No one supports coups or fascism, but you cannot ignore the example of Chile's improving from free market reforms, even under Pinochet. And those leftists who think Allende was better are surely mistaken for those type of policies are surely what bankrupted the nation.

It's typical of leftists, Marxists and other socialists of all stripes that point to Latin America and say free markets are a failure. To define failure of economic policy as one that does not lessen the gap between the haves and have nots is nonsense.

By that definition, even if all the lowest income people finally got to the point where they have all the amenities of a first world country, the economic policy could still be considered a failure because the richer part of society gained proportionally more. That's analogous to a child whining about Christmas being bad because their sibling got more stuff.

These egalitarians are not concerned with the fact that the free market raises the living standard for everyone. They are upset because some people have more stuff than others do. They don't care about how much work someone puts in, or how much they help others to gain their wealth. They see that some people are not willing or not capable to make as much as others, and their sole quest is to equalize. It's an ideology completely ignorant of the basic realities of life.

[Կարմիր Բ]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

No one supports coups or fascism

but you cannot ignore the example of Chile's improving from free market reforms, even under Pinochet.

Pinochet adopted many aspects of Allende's policies with regards to his reforms. The nationalization of the copper mining industry initiated by Allende was a major step toward Chile's development which not even Pinochet's administration would take back.

And those leftists who think Allende was better are surely mistaken for those type of policies are surely what bankrupted the nation.

We don't know that.

Plus...

In the first year of Allende's term, the short-term economic results of Minister of the Economy Pedro Vuskovic's expansive monetary policy were unambiguously favorable: 12% industrial growth and an 8.6% increase in GDP, accompanied by major declines in inflation (down from 34.9% to 22.1%) and unemployment (down to 3.8%).

It's typical of leftists, Marxists and other socialists of all stripes that point to Latin America and say free markets are a failure. To define failure of economic policy as one that does not lessen the gap between the haves and have nots is nonsense.


By that definition, even if all the lowest income people finally got to the point where they have all the amenities of a first world country, the economic policy could still be considered a failure because the richer part of society gained proportionally more. That's analogous to a child whining about Christmas being bad because their sibling got more stuff.

These egalitarians are not concerned with the fact that the free market raises the living standard for everyone. They are upset because some people have more stuff than others do. They don't care about how much work someone puts in, or how much they help others to gain their wealth. They see that some people are not willing or not capable to make as much as others, and their sole quest is to equalize. It's an ideology completely ignorant of the basic realities of life.

What are you mumbling there. I actually encourage laissez faire free market economic policies.

"But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade."
-Karl Marx, On Free Trade

[Anonymouse]

Re: Armenian White Nationalism

Pinochet adopted many aspects of Allende's policies with regards to his reforms. The nationalization of the copper mining industry initiated by Allende was a major step toward Chile's development which not even Pinochet's administration would take back.

We don't know that.

Plus...

In the first year of Allende's term, the short-term economic results of Minister of the Economy Pedro Vuskovic's expansive monetary policy were unambiguously favorable: 12% industrial growth and an 8.6% increase in GDP, accompanied by major declines in inflation (down from 34.9% to 22.1%) and unemployment (down to 3.8%).

We do know that. That is why nationalziation nearly bankrupted that country. The amount of hyperinflation under Allende, and the amount of private property he confiscated and stole is scary and that you support this sort of thievery is not far from you. Was it right for Chilean society to be completely destroyed and reduced to Cuba-like poverty just because Allende managed to get 36% of the vote. If you encourage free market policies, you should act like you do, not pretend. From what I gather, you're promotion of markets is only skin deep.

And to complain that some people benefit more from freedom in no way negates the fact that everyone is relatively better off as a result. If the "poor" go from $10,000 a year income to $20,000 a year in real terms, who cares that some people also went from $100,000 to $300,000? Society is still better off and living standards are improved.

"But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade."
-Karl Marx, On Free Trade

Without free trade, markets and private property, we would still be living in stone age or the Middle Ages barely meeting the point of subsistence. Like I said, if you want to have your Communist club you can start your society in the woods and know that, not everyone wants to be dragged into your social engineering of society.