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  • Re: War in The Middle East

    For the past year or so I kept hearing from Armenians in and out of Armenia how "democratic" and "just" Israeli society is compared to Armenian society. They were stating comments like - Unlike Armenia Israel has an open society... Unlike our criminals in Yerevan that are still sucking the blood of the people, when Olmert got caught in corruption they rightfully ousted him... I found myself trying to explain to these ignorant sswipes that there was no campaign against corruption in Israel and that the matter in question seemed to be an internal political dispute. Well, based on the New York Times news report below, it's clear now why Ehud Olmert was pushed out of government in Tel Aviv - it was not due to "corruption" charges. Israeli politicians are notorious for being amongst the world's most corrupt. The fact remains, compared to politicians throughout the word, especially in places like Asia, South America, Africa, USA and the Middle East, Armenian politicians are saints. It's amazing how ignorant and self-hating Armenians can be. No need to go far to see these types of individuals I'm referring to, at this time we have at least two right here amongst us. Take a look at their disgusting handiwork they are so proud of:

    Kocharian: a criminal? http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php?t=11096

    Kenya, Tibet, Armenia, Zimbabwe: http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....mugabe+Armenia

    The other Armenia: http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php?t=10938

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    Olmert Says Israel Should Pull Out of West Bank


    Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in an interview published on Monday that Israel must withdraw from nearly all of the West Bank as well as East Jerusalem to attain peace with the Palestinians and that any occupied land it held onto would have to be exchanged for the same quantity of Israeli territory. He also dismissed as “megalomania” any thought that Israel would or should attack Iran on its own to stop it from developing nuclear weapons, saying the international community and not Israel alone was charged with handling the issue. In an unusually frank and soul-searching interview granted after he resigned to fight corruption charges — he remains interim prime minister until a new government is sworn in — Mr. Olmert discarded longstanding Israeli defense doctrine and called for radical new thinking, in words that are sure to stir controversy as his expected successor, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, tries to build a coalition.

    “What I am saying to you now has not been said by any Israeli leader before me,” Mr. Olmert told the newspaper Yediot Aharonot in the interview on the occasion of the xxxish new year, observed from Monday evening till Wednesday evening. “The time has come to say these things.”

    He said that traditional Israeli defense strategists had learned nothing from past experiences and that they seemed stuck in the considerations of the 1948 war of independence. “With them, it is all about tanks and land and controlling territories and controlled territories and this hilltop and that hilltop,” he said. “All these things are worthless.” He added, “Who thinks seriously that if we sit on another hilltop, on another hundred meters, that this is what will make the difference for the State of Israel’s basic security?” Over the last year, Mr. Olmert has publicly castigated himself for his earlier right-wing views and he did so again in this interview. On Jerusalem, for example, he said: “I am the first who wanted to enforce Israeli sovereignty on the entire city. I admit it. I am not trying to justify retroactively what I did for 35 years. For a large portion of these years, I was unwilling to look at reality in all its depth.”

    He said that maintaining sovereignty over an undivided Jerusalem, Israel’s official policy, would involve bringing 270,000 Palestinians inside Israel’s security barrier. It would mean a continuing risk of terrorist attacks against civilians like those carried out this year by Jerusalem Palestinian residents with front-end loaders. “A decision has to be made,” he said. “This decision is difficult, terrible, a decision that contradicts our natural instincts, our innermost desires, our collective memories, the prayers of the xxxish people for 2,000 years.” The government’s public stand on Jerusalem until now has been to assert that the status of the city was not under discussion. But Mr. Olmert made clear that the eastern, predominantly Arab, sector had to be yielded “with special solutions” for the holy sites. On peace with the Palestinians, Mr. Olmert said in the interview: “We face the need to decide but are not willing to tell ourselves, yes, this is what we have to do. We have to reach an agreement with the Palestinians, the meaning of which is that in practice we will withdraw from almost all the territories, if not all the territories. We will leave a percentage of these territories in our hands, but will have to give the Palestinians a similar percentage, because without that there will be no peace.”

    Elsewhere in the interview, when discussing a land swap with the Palestinians, he said the exchange would have to be “more or less one to one.” Mr. Olmert also addressed the question of Syria, saying that Israel had to be prepared to give up the Golan Heights but that in turn Damascus knew it had to change the nature of its relationship with Iran and its support for Hezbollah, the Lebanese militia. On Iran, Mr. Olmert said Israel would act within the international system, adding: “Part of our megalomania and our loss of proportions is the things that are said here about Iran. We are a country that has lost a sense of proportion about itself.” Reaction from the Israeli right was swift. Avigdor Lieberman, who leads the Yisrael Beiteinu party, said on the radio that Mr. Olmert was “endangering the existence of the State of Israel irresponsibly.” He added that those who thought Israel’s problem was a lack of defined borders — as Mr. Olmert stated in the interview — “are ignoramuses who don’t understand anything, and they invite war.”

    As they reacted to Mr. Olmert’s remarks, Palestinian negotiators said it was satisfying to hear Mr. Olmert’s words but they said the words did not match what he had offered them so far. Yasser Abed Rabbo, a senior Palestinian official, told Palestinian Radio that it would have been better if Mr. Olmert had taken this position while in office rather than while leaving it and that Mr. Olmert had not yet presented a detailed plan for a border between Israel and a Palestinian state. In theory, Mr. Olmert will continue peace negotiations while awaiting the new government. But analysts generally say that having been forced to resign his post, he will not be able to close a deal.

    Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/wo...4ff&ei=5087%0A
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      Israelis Wary of a US Radar Base in the Negev



      When a contingent of U.S. soldiers opens a radar facility on a mountaintop in the Negev desert next month, Israel will for the first time in its 60-year history have a permanent foreign military base on its soil. And despite the early warning that the American radar would provide if Iran launches a missile attack on Israel, some senior Israeli officials are nonetheless wary about its presence. Complained one top official, "It's a like a pair of golden handcuffs on Israel." From its mountain perch in Har Keren, the U.S. radar will be able to monitor the take-off of any aircraft or missile up to 1,500 miles away — giving Israel a vital extra 60-70 seconds to react if Iran fired a missile, Israeli military sources told TIME. Israel has its own radar system trained on Iran, but it's range is much shorter. Still, some see several drawbacks for Israel in the radar, and blame Defense Minister Ehud Barak for requesting its deployment in Israel without consulting anyone other than his chief of staff. Some in the upper echelons of the Israeli Defense Force fear that although the radar will enhance Israel's protection against Iran, it may also open up Israel's own military secrets to the Americans.

      The radar will allow the U.S. to keep a close watch on anything moving in Israeli skies, "even a bee", says one top Israeli official who asked not to be identified. The U.S. may be a close ally, but Israel nonetheless has aviation secrets it would rather not share. "Even a husband and wife have a few things they'd like to keep from each other," explains this source. "Now we're standing without our clothes on in front of America." Israel will have no direct access to the data collected by the radar, which looks like a giant taco. It will only be fed intelligence second hand, on a need-to-know basis, from the Americans — unless the radar picks up an immediate, direct attack on Israel, Israeli sources claim. And Israeli officials expressed concern that the radar's installation may anger Moscow, since its range will enable the U.S. to monitor aircraft in the skies over southern Russia. When the U.S. stationed anti-missile radar and interceptor systems in Poland and the Czech Republic — ostensibly directed at a future Iranian threat, although the Russians believe their own missile capability is its real target — Moscow warned those countries that the move could result in their being added to the target list of Russia's missiles.

      Israeli military sources say that Barak requested the radar from U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates in July, after U.S. requests to station such a system in Turkey and Jordan were rejected. Barak was eager to acquire the advantage of the early warning that the system would provide in the event of a possible Iranian attack. But with the Russians already peeved at Israel for having had military advisers inside Georgia when war broke out over South Ossetia, the radar's deployment in Israel, say officials, might make Moscow even more likely to supply Iran and Syria with its highly-accurate SA300 anti-aircraft missile batteries. The top-secret X-band radar will be staffed by around 120 American technicians and security guards in the Negev, say Israeli military sources. But Israeli planning and air force officials are perturbed that Defense Minister Barak did not carry out any evaluation og the radar's possible impact on Israeli military operations before approving it. For one thing, Israeli defense experts are worried that waves from the X-band radar might throw off the accuracy of a new Gil anti-tank missile also being tested in the Negev. "The Bush Administration is in the mood to give us anything, as long as we don't attack Iran," gripes one senior official. "So why did we take this radar?"

      Source: http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...feed-cnn-world
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      • Re: War in The Middle East

        war in the middle east would defintly spark a world war
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          Syria Recognizes Lebanon's Sovereignty After 60 Years


          MOSCOW -- Syria and Lebanon established diplomatic relations on Oct. 15, some 60 years after gaining independence from France in the mid-1940s. Why have they waited so long?

          Lebanese Foreign Minister Fawzi Salloukh, who signed the declaration jointly with Syrian Foreign Minister Waleed al-Muallem, said Lebanese-Syrian relations were friendlier than ever.

          Syrian politicians, along with a majority of their Lebanese counterparts, say the exchange of embassies is only a formality between the two brotherly states. This may be so, but the fact remains that Syria has never considered Lebanon a sovereign state. On the other hand, it saw Lebanon as an inalienable part of "Greater Syria," which once included the territory of modern Lebanon.

          It is true that Syria has played a positive role in Lebanon's recent history, in particular during the 1975-1990 civil war. It deployed 35,000 soldiers to Lebanon to disengage the warring sides and prevent the country's disintegration. However, the Syrians did not leave after the civil war ended, but remained in Lebanon "to keep the peace" until 2005.

          This is why some Lebanese see their "Syrian brothers" as liberators, while others curse them as occupiers. Moreover, the ruling Lebanese clans have changed their attitude toward Syria more than once, at times seeing them as friends, and other times as enemies.

          Bilateral relations were most recently shattered after the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in February 2005. The West immediately blamed the murder on Syria's military intelligence chief, Assef Shawkat, and declared a boycott of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

          Syria's isolation lasted until French President Nicolas Sarkozy declared, at the Mediterranean Union Summit held in Paris last July and attended by the Syrian president, that Syria and Lebanon should establish diplomatic relations.

          However, the two countries reconciled only when Lebanon elected a new president, Michel Suleiman, a figure of compromise between the pro-Western majority in parliament – the Mustaqbal movement led by Saad Hariri, the son of the assassinated Rafik Hariri – and the opposition Hezbollah movement, backed by Syrian and Iranian Shiites.

          This compromise has cost the pro-Western forces in Lebanon dearly, given that, at a meeting in Doha last May, they gave the opposition the right to veto bills. At the same time, a national unity government of 30 ministers was formed, in which 16 represent the ruling coalition, 11 the opposition, and three are appointed by the president.

          In addition, election legislation was amended to extend the rights of Shiite Muslims, who support Hezbollah.

          In reality, this was not an internal reconciliation, but rather a camouflaged victory for the pro-Syrian and pro-Iranian forces in parliament, and hence signified the continued Syrian and Iranian influence on Lebanon's policy.

          The alliance of Syria and Iran bothers not only the United States and Israel, but also the French president, the new architect of Syrian-Lebanese relations, who has more than once expressed his dislike of Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

          France wants to and can become a new regional mediator in the Middle East, alongside the United States, Russia, the United Nations and the European Union, whose peacekeeping efforts in the past few years have not been effective. The goal of Sarkozy is to ease Syria and Lebanon out of Iran's grasp, an undertaking that is both openly and secretly supported by all Arab countries governed by Sunni Muslims.

          Due to the overthrow of Iraq's President Saddam Hussein and the war in Iraq, Iran has become the strongest regional power in the Middle East.

          The Shiite-led Iran is a theocratic state that sees itself as a messiah to the entire Muslim world. It is trying to spread its influence to all Arab countries, much to the indignation of the Sunni states, primarily Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Assad and his clan are Alawites, a small Shiite sect, whereas the majority of the Syrian population is Sunni. Hezbollah in Lebanon are also Shiites.

          Before the withdrawal of Syrian troops from Lebanon, Syria and Iran considered themselves key political players on the Lebanese political scene. After the assassination of Hariri and the Syrian troop pullout, Syria's power over Lebanon was shattered – though not lost.

          Although Syria has formally recognized Lebanon's sovereignty, it has retained control over its parliament and government with pro-Iranian Hezbollah, whose role was sealed by the Doha agreements.

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            I am simply speechless at today's massacre. I did not know the J3w could stoop to this much barbarism. It has massacred 300 people so far in less than a day. The excuse (mind you there is no excuse for massacres)? Hamas' rockets are being fired into Israel (all action has reaction?). Of course, most blindly ignore the fact that Hamas' rockets successfully hit something on a scale of 1/100 and it kills even less. Of course, most blindly ignore the fact that Hamas' rockets are HOMEMADE science projects that are in no way any match for Israeli weaponry. Of course, no one cares that Gaza has turned into the world's biggest prison. Etc.

            And where are the world's biggest jokes, the Arab League? Condemning Israel. Oh wait no, Egypt and Jordan only ask for both sides to stop fighting and the former blockades Gaza alongside the J3ws. But anyway even if they did condemn, what's the use? They are a huge farce, even the UN is not as much of a comedy as the Arab world. Let those Syrians continue to sit down and have a talk and some nice chai or whatever they are having. Shame on them all. Only non-Arab Iran has any balls.

            I don't even want to start with the West, the USI has already blamed the "Hamas thugs". Even the bear Russia has given a weak statement.
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              That's because no one cares about the Palestinians. They are considered scum amongst Arabs, so that even if they have medical degrees, they get treated as second class citizens in Arab countries. They are considered relatively expendable by the rest of the world, which is why the most you see from other countries is "condemnation" or attempts at "mediation" and no action. When it boils down to it, sacrificing relations with Israel over this massacre simply isn't profitable politically. At best it will just be used as another card in the future for major powers to assault Israel should the time ever be ripe for cutting it up and distributing its leftovers.

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                Other than the Hezbollah, the entire Arab world is scum. Look at the CIA puppets ruling in Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Gulf Arab states - 90% of the Arab world. Look at the stupid ragheads in Iraq killing each other instead of uniting against the occupiers. Look at Lebanon choosing to back stab Syria over having shallow relations with Israel and America. Generally speaking, Arabs are spineless cowards, at heart they are whores (cheep ones at that), they are two faced, they are extremely lazy and stupid. Had the Arab world had even an once of self respect the Zionist State would have disappeared long ago. The Gaza Strip and the West Bank, but in particular the Gaza Strip, are massive concentration death camps. The two regions are essentially laboratory test tubes, controlled environments, for anything the Zionist criminal wants to carry out. If for any reason they want to massacre several hundred civilians in one operation like they have done many times in the past all they have to do is have a few of their many-many Palestinian operatives in the controlled environments carry out a "suicide attack" or fire some dinky "Gasam" missile into Israel. A large percentage of Palestinians living in these concentration camps work for their oppressive masters. Palestinians are the slaves of the world most ruthless and blood thirsty nation and other than throwing some pocket change and giving lip service, the Arab world will not do shit to stop it. If there is any glimmer of hope in the region its the Iran backed Hezbollah and by extension the Russian Federation.
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                  Originally posted by Armenian View Post
                  If there is any glimmer of hope in the region its the Iran backed Hezbollah and by extension the Russian Federation.
                  Reason why israel is at it again. Irritate Hezbollah and Iran to justify a large scale war and establish its usual policy with the US's new administration, before any "Obama" talk with Iran.


                  "Israel bent on blocking Iran-US talks"


                  "Israel strike may shift Obama plan"

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                    "[Bush] destroys your country and you cant wait to greet him. You have no self-respect. How can you expect other people to respect Arabs if you show no respect for yourselves?"

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                    • Re: War in The Middle East

                      Originally posted by Azad View Post
                      Reason why israel is at it again. Irritate Hezbollah and Iran to justify a large scale war and establish its usual policy with the US's new administration, before any "Obama" talk with Iran.
                      In my opinion, Hezbollah won't carry out any attack even though Israel is violating the international agreements and their war-planes are flying over Lebanon.

                      The only problem would be when Palestinians in Lebanon launch rockets from inside Lebanon (like the eight rockets which were caught few days ago) and Israel might use this to start a large scale war in the region.

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