Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Actually I can, learn more about Ossetians, then you will see they have alot of similarities with Armenians, the language is as well Indo-European, the national dress, dances and music has similarities too.

By using the aforementioned way of analyzing Mexico, we can then say that Armenians and Ossets are near identical too, which we both know they are not.

As to family roles defining "race" (Armenians don't have a race, Armenian is an ethnicity, just like there is no Mayan race, it's an ethnicity, the race is Amerind in the case of Mayans, and Armenians are Caucasoid/Armenoid), gender roles changed with Abrahamic religion Dre, perhaps you should research Zoroastrianism and see for yourself the differences Armenia went through.

And mixing isn't a modern day phenomenon, how many Greeks didn't intermarry with the people they conquered, how many Persians and Armenians didn't intermarry before Islam and Christianity, bear this in mind please

[Armanen]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Actually I can, learn more about Ossetians, then you will see they have alot of similarities with Armenians, the language is as well Indo-European, the national dress, dances and music has similarities too.

By using the aforementioned way of analyzing Mexico, we can then say that Armenians and Ossets are near identical too, which we both know they are not.

As to family roles defining "race" (Armenians don't have a race, Armenian is an ethnicity, just like there is no Mayan race, it's an ethnicity, the race is Amerind in the case of Mayans, and Armenians are Caucasoid/Armenoid), gender roles changed with Abrahamic religion Dre, perhaps you should research Zoroastrianism and see for yourself the differences Armenia went through.

And mixing isn't a modern day phenomenon, how many Greeks didn't intermarry with the people they conquered, how many Persians and Armenians didn't intermarry before Islam and Christianity, bear this in mind please

I know quite a bit about Ossetians and I do not deny there are similarities between them and Armenians, however, unlike Mexicans and Colombians, we do not speak the same language. The Poles speak an IE language too does that mean they are really similar to Armenians? This is a major factor.

Just because our dress and dances have similarities with theirs doesn't really prove what you are trying to say. In that case I guess we could live with the azeri's, turks, georgians, assyrians or kurds too.

As far as race I never said Armenians were an independent race, but we are an independent ethnicity with the closest people being some of our neighbors who due to the history of the area do have a great amount of Armenian blood i.e. turks and azeris.


Again, I didn't say mixing is a modern issue so I am not sure why you brought this up.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Actually I can, learn more about Ossetians, then you will see they have alot of similarities with Armenians, the language is as well Indo-European, the national dress, dances and music has similarities too.

By using the aforementioned way of analyzing Mexico, we can then say that Armenians and Ossets are near identical too, which we both know they are not.

As to family roles defining "race" (Armenians don't have a race, Armenian is an ethnicity, just like there is no Mayan race, it's an ethnicity, the race is Amerind in the case of Mayans, and Armenians are Caucasoid/Armenoid), gender roles changed with Abrahamic religion Dre, perhaps you should research Zoroastrianism and see for yourself the differences Armenia went through.

And mixing isn't a modern day phenomenon, how many Greeks didn't intermarry with the people they conquered, how many Persians and Armenians didn't intermarry before Islam and Christianity, bear this in mind please

I didn't say gender/family roles defining race, I said culture. Culture is what gives and defines identity. It doesn't matter which branch of race Armenians came from, they still share a common root. It also doesn't matter how many intermarried, as long as those that survive today can define themselves as being Armenian. Those of us that defines themselves as Armenian have a right to defend their own culture, heritage and people as they see fit.

If you can't see why we're so defensive, might I point you to the following news article....

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showpost.ph...72&postcount=1

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Comparing inter-ethnic marriage to outright slaughter is pushing, I'm not Armenian and I can speak the language to a degree of being able to communicate at this point wit someone without any trouble, I understand the alphabet completely and I know the history and know the differences in regards to music, etc., if I, someone without a drop of Armenian blood in my veins can learn this, so can someone who is half blood. THere are full blooded Armenians (And for that matter Mexicans, Cubans, Russians, Irish people) who don't know xxxx about their culture, a good example is your average ghetto wannabe Mexican or Armenian, who thinks they are the next Puff Daddy.

As to Armanen, we speak Spanish as we were colonized to speak it,Mozambiquecans speak Portuguese, but they aren't Portuguese and they culture differs from Portugal, and other African countries, just because we had a systematic cultural Genocide of our languages doesn't mean we are Spaniards now. The Irish speak English, the Irish are not English, same with Latin Americans.

Now you didn't say it was modern, others here have, I am just correcting them, Armenians themselves are a union of Urartians and Hittites (Aryans) for example, so some "miscegination" had to have occured there che?

I am totally for Armenians who want to marry only Armenians and totally for Armenians who don't, I am here concerned about individual liberty as people's private lives are none of anyone's business really, it's called ethics.
If parents aren't lazy they can teach their kids about their culture, whether mixed or unmixed.

A mix of cultures by intermarriage isn't what worries, consumerist culture is what worries me, more and more people are fitting into and assimilating into the Anglo American vision, one of the reasons America hates Mexicans is that we refuse to assimilate and they want us to assimilate, that and the immigration debate, which is ludicrous as we are the indigenous people and they need us to do their work, you'd think the least they could do would be to be kind with citizenshp and not favour rich people above the poor Mexican labourer

Now as to Ossetians, they are an Iranian Christian people, hence very close to Armenians, Im not saying they are exactly the same, I am saying analyzing like you analyzed us, you could say you are the same.

My point is everyone is an expert on Mexicans and Latinos, but most of everyone doesn't know much about our culture, I know you probably did not mean it offensively, but you have vast amounts of diversity in Latin America which is not shown to the world, this is not an attack against you Armanen, as many people do that, and I don't mean specifically Hyeclub either, what I am saying is many people do not know about our culture, and sadly alot of that has to do with the consumerist (American) way of potraying us, all I ask is that people try to learn the actual culture and see past the Fox Entertainment version of Mexican culture

[Armanen]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

Comparing inter-ethnic marriage to outright slaughter is pushing, I'm not Armenian and I can speak the language to a degree of being able to communicate at this point wit someone without any trouble, I understand the alphabet completely and I know the history and know the differences in regards to music, etc., if I, someone without a drop of Armenian blood in my veins can learn this, so can someone who is half blood. THere are full blooded Armenians (And for that matter Mexicans, Cubans, Russians, Irish people) who don't know xxxx about their culture, a good example is your average ghetto wannabe Mexican or Armenian, who thinks they are the next Puff Daddy.

As to Armanen, we speak Spanish as we were colonized to speak it,Mozambiquecans speak Portuguese, but they aren't Portuguese and they culture differs from Portugal, and other African countries, just because we had a systematic cultural Genocide of our languages doesn't mean we are Spaniards now. The Irish speak English, the Irish are not English, same with Latin Americans.

Now you didn't say it was modern, others here have, I am just correcting them, Armenians themselves are a union of Urartians and Hittites (Aryans) for example, so some "miscegination" had to have occured there che?

I am totally for Armenians who want to marry only Armenians and totally for Armenians who don't, I am here concerned about individual liberty as people's private lives are none of anyone's business really, it's called ethics.
If parents aren't lazy they can teach their kids about their culture, whether mixed or unmixed.

A mix of cultures by intermarriage isn't what worries, consumerist culture is what worries me, more and more people are fitting into and assimilating into the Anglo American vision, one of the reasons America hates Mexicans is that we refuse to assimilate and they want us to assimilate, that and the immigration debate, which is ludicrous as we are the indigenous people and they need us to do their work, you'd think the least they could do would be to be kind with citizenshp and not favour rich people above the poor Mexican labourer

Now as to Ossetians, they are an Iranian Christian people, hence very close to Armenians, Im not saying they are exactly the same, I am saying analyzing like you analyzed us, you could say you are the same.

My point is everyone is an expert on Mexicans and Latinos, but most of everyone doesn't know much about our culture, I know you probably did not mean it offensively, but you have vast amounts of diversity in Latin America which is not shown to the world, this is not an attack against you Armanen, as many people do that, and I don't mean specifically Hyeclub either, what I am saying is many people do not know about our culture, and sadly alot of that has to do with the consumerist (American) way of potraying us, all I ask is that people try to learn the actual culture and see past the Fox Entertainment version of Mexican culture

The Mozambique example is extreme because here you talk not only another ethnic group but another race altogether, whereas with my comparison of most Latin Americans, they fall under the Caucasian race. There are a lot of mixed marriages between Indian-Spanish (Mestizo), Spanish-African (Mulatto), Indian-African (Zambo), and like in Argentina mostly Criollo or other non mixed Europeans. The common language of Spanish binds Latin Americans together, at least on some level, this is something Armenians do not have with any other ethnic group. There is no country an Armenian can go to outside of Armenia where the majority of the people know Armenian.

The Ossetians are close true, just like the Persians, but because of the language factor and the religion factor with regards to Persians and Armenians, it would be more difficult for an Armenian to preserve his culture without an Armenia, than it would be for a Colombian. If Colombia were to disappear somehow tomorrow, but the residents of Colombia were left intact they could more easily continue their lives in any neighboring Latin American country than if the same were to happen to Armenians.

I do not mean to group all Latin people as one, but I was originaly trying to make a point that Armenian culture is not widespread and there are few close cultures let alone really close cultures as in the case of Latin America. So Armenians an Ossetians may share many things in common, but as long as they do not speak the same language they are not as close to one another as a Colombian and a Peruvian or whatever other Latin American country you wish to substitute.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

We are a wholly different race, most Mexican and northern South Americans are pure Indians, most Domicans are black, most Cubans are mulattos. We are not white.

Other immigrant groups include Arabs and Japanese. Peru's racial structure can be classified as 45% Amerindian, 37% mestizo (mixed Amerindian and European), 15% European, and 3% African, Japanese, Chinese, and other.[1]

Bolivia's ethnic distribution is estimated to be 30% Quechua-speaking and 25% Aymara-speaking Amerindians. The largest of the approximately three dozen native groups are the Quechuas (2.5 million), Aymaras (2 million), then Chiquitano (180,000), and Guaraní (125,000). So the full Amerindian population is at 55%; the remaining 30% is mestizo (mixed Amerindian and European), and around 15% are whites.

According to the CIA World Fact Book, Guatemala has a population of 12,728,111 (2007 est). The majority of the population is Ladino, also called Mestizo (mixed Amerindian and Spanish), and Whites (primarily of Spanish, but also those of Italian, German, British and Scandinavian descent), they make up a combined total of 59.4%. Amerindians populations include the K'iche' 9.1%, Kaqchikel 8.4%, Mam 7.9% and Q'eqchi 6.3%. 8.6% of the population is "other Mayan" making the indigenous community in Guatemala a majority in the population, 0.2% is indigenous non-Mayan, and 0.1% is "other".

Mexico :

# Mestizos (those of mixed European and Amerindian ancestry) form the largest group, comprising up to 60–80% of the total population.
# Amerindians called indigenous peoples (indígenas) are estimated to be between 16%-30% of the population.Indigenous peoples are considered the foundation of the Mexican pluricultural nation and therefore enjoy self-determination in certain areas. Indigenous languages are also considered "national languages" and are protected by law. The CDI identifies 62 indigenous groups in Mexico, each with a unique language.

(Source : Wikipedia)

The Mexican government doesnt use race but language to define race, most Mexicans are as a result Spanish speaking Indians.

As said, we aren't Caucasian, we differ heavily from eachother, yes from Mexico to Paraguay most of us are Amerind to Mestizo, but the majority have heavily differing cultures, even in Boliva does one Amerind differ from the next

[Armanen]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

About 33% of Latin America's population is criollo, which translates to 189,000,000 million people. Of the remaining 67% how many would you say are mestizo?

I would be willing to bet that if one takes the total criollo population and adds it to the total mestizo population that it would be over 70% of Latin America's population. If you know exact figures please let me know. The point I am trying to make though is that the majority of Latin Americans are more Caucasian than African or Amerindian. Couple that with the overall similarities in culture and the fact that the language is the same from Argentina to Mexico and you see what I am saying.

I feel like I am repeating myself, maybe I am not explaining my thoughts well or maybe you just will never agree to what I am saying but I think I have shown my original point that for Armenians marriage with non-Armenians is more of an issue than someone from Latin America. Of course if the Armenian and his/her otar partner were to live and raise their child in Armenia than I wouldn't object to it, but that is typically not the case.

At the end of the day it is a matter of personal choice and I am by no means advocating some kind of marriage law, people should be free to choose their wife or husband but I strongly encourage Armenians to make connections with their Homeland and thus make it more likely they will not lose their Armenianess.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

About 33% of Latin America's population is criollo, which translates to 189,000,000 million people. Of the remaining 67% how many would you say are mestizo?

I would be willing to bet that if one takes the total criollo population and adds it to the total mestizo population that it would be over 70% of Latin America's population. If you know exact figures please let me know. The point I am trying to make though is that the majority of Latin Americans are more Caucasian than African or Amerindian. Couple that with the overall similarities in culture and the fact that the language is the same from Argentina to Mexico and you see what I am saying.

I feel like I am repeating myself, maybe I am not explaining my thoughts well or maybe you just will never agree to what I am saying but I think I have shown my original point that for Armenians marriage with non-Armenians is more of an issue than someone from Latin America. Of course if the Armenian and his/her otar partner were to live and raise their child in Armenia than I wouldn't object to it, but that is typically not the case.

At the end of the day it is a matter of personal choice and I am by no means advocating some kind of marriage law, people should be free to choose their wife or husband but I strongly encourage Armenians to make connections with their Homeland and thus make it more likely they will not lose their Armenianess.

I see your point, but what I am saying is that Criollos don't see Mestizos as white, also most are really Spanish speaking Indians, hence it's better to lump them with Amerinds, in addition what you need to think of is the damages it would then do for an Amerind who is already marginalized to marry a Spaniard for example, it can lead to the total devastation of Indian culture if the child isn't taught about their Indian heritage, moreso with Mestizos.

But yes, I agree, it's a personal choice, and do see your point with Armenians, just saying diversity is far more than people know about in the Americas, language isn't everything specially in the case of say Ireland vs. England (who are for real both white). And as I said, not meant to be an argument against, I respect your posts on here, specially in regards to issues regarding the situation with Turkey and Armenia

[Catharsis]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

My point is everyone is an expert on Mexicans and Latinos, but most of everyone doesn't know much about our culture, I know you probably did not mean it offensively, but you have vast amounts of diversity in Latin America which is not shown to the world, this is not an attack against you Armanen, as many people do that, and I don't mean specifically Hyeclub either, what I am saying is many people do not know about our culture, and sadly alot of that has to do with the consumerist (American) way of potraying us, all I ask is that people try to learn the actual culture and see past the Fox Entertainment version of Mexican culture

Have to hand it to you Pedro, you are a rarity being Mexican and knowing quite a lot about Armenian culture (including writing and speaking, history etc.). Btw the Mexican Ambassador to the United States, Arturo Sarukhan is of Armenian heritage, which also creates a good bond, he is on close terms with the Consul General of Armenia in LA and has been noted for his exemplary work as a Mexican diplomat.

I personally know an Armenian lady who knows very well the cultures of Native Americans (of North and South Americas). In fact she works at one of the Native American reservations and people do not even know she is Armenian thinking she is Native American. She is also active in Armenian community also, so she is just an all around activist.

[iFemale]

Re: Any of you is married to a Mexican or Latin people?

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