Interracial Relationships.

[gevo]

Well, I have strong feelings about armos sticking with armos.. though like anonymouse i cannot force these onto anyone else, but i can do my best to show them.. One thing i have seen though in my life for why armos mary others is... They have become either tottally hopeless in the relationship prior with armo girls/guys. and have become sickened by them.. for no good reasons if i may add.. or that they have been blinded by lustfull love.. if those two words are allowed in the syntax at all.. lol.. there may be other reasons..

I have some personal experiance in this.. an american friend once kept asking me. "why wouldnt you marry an american girl".. i could not satisfy even myself with a fair enough answer/explanation.. but its weird, cause i feel it in me that i am to be with an armo.. anthing else just wouldnt feel natural.. so to speak..

[angelik22]

WOW. This thread is like a chatroom, except with proper grammar and capitaliziation. Every minute there's a post, untl you get to page 5. haha. I guess I'll just add a post on how I see this.

Yes, my parents dissaprove of interracial relationships but that is not the main reason why I will not date anyone outside of my race or ethnicity. One of the reasons is tradition and culture. Yes, a lot of couples compromise, but I don't want that. I am an Armenian girl and follow most of Armenian traditions. Being with a non Armenian who does not know Armenian customs and traditions is out of the question. Compromise may be done, but I don't want 50/50. As just for dating, well, getting attached to a non Armenian is not only pointless, but hurtful too.

This doesn't make sense. Why date someone if you're going to have to break it off with them sooner or later? Think of the other person in the relationship.

bravo saggal-- i totally agree with you... there comes a point where it's not what people around you think or what your parents thiknk, but what comes from deep within you... i think that the whole idea of interracial relationships and people who are in one or don't see anything wrong with it doesn't really have too much to do with people around them, but what they want and wnat they feel is "right" for them, in other words if someone is comfortable with the idea it has to do with "who they are"...
I see myself as an Armenian first, then as an American, which Im not way to proud of, but granted that I do live here and am "guaranteed" most rights that other countries do not "guarantee" and a in some way or sort benefitting from being a U.S. citizen, I do consider myself an American, although I am more proud to be Armenian. Although I have many views and ideas that people consider "americanized" I do not see it as Americanization- you can think openly an not be living in a Westernized society...ehich is a whole other topic-- I shall stop there-- but my point being that I first see myself as an Armenian and I want to for as much as I can and for as much as I am able to, to do my part and stay Armenian in my ways, which in my terms means to marry an Armenian (if i ever get married ) and raise my kids to know their culture and respect it. If we all get too assimilated into the American ways and society, and forget our culture and ourselves, then we all become alike. I think that being different is key to being human, although we strive for acceptance and approval, as individuals, striving for "uniqueness" is our main purpose...

[Tres Bien]

"You should study history better! And get a reality check yourself. Cause Race does matter, a whole lot actually!
For milleniums Armenains could survive only because they were able to adjust to races (Turkish, Osman, Persian, Roman, Mongoles and Arabs) who concurred us. In a way Armenians were forced to mingle with other races, at first place to maintain their lifes and secondly to be able to pass on the cultural heritage. The Armenians are still here only because of the power to pass on the heritage.
If you study the Armenians you will see that we are multiracial and have a culture that contains many -all the good- influances of other culturs. And we have survived for more that 3000 years.
You dont get born Armenian, you become Armenian or whatever you want to call yourself as long that it feels good within yourself."


YOu dont get born armenian? Then maybe Italian citizens could convert to armenianism if they would like too? So the moskes in Istanbul ,are infact muslim(though most of them were buillt by armenians? ) The numerious palaces , bridges and churches are called turkish in Turkey,are in fact turkish, as they say, or could also be georgian.

armenia is an old civilazation. We were forced to become muslim, kurdish/turkish whatever, under deaththreat or torture. Or we were forced to change our names in most countries.
Does this mean multicultarism?

[HyeJinx1984]

It's weird, I've changed my mind on this subject so many times over the years I feel as though I have no real strong, long lasting philosophy on the subject. When I was much younger I kinda had the whole "Doesn't matter who it is, if you love them that should come first" yadda, yadda... then I got older and swung the copmlete opposite way saying anyone who marries and breeds outside their race is a traitor to their people.

Now it seems like I'm easing up a bit and finding a happy medium. My beliefs only relate to Armenians since I can't say what people of another race can or can't do (actually, I can't TELL Armenians what to do either for that matter). Armenians are different than most minorities because we actually fit that term very well.. we're probably one of the smallest minorities on the planet, especially cause of you know what. So marrying within our race isn't just a tradition at this point, it's a necessary thing to repopulate our tribe.

The problem is we don't really choose who we fall in love with... that sounds silly, I know, but it's true... it's something that just happens and you know "this is the one." Problems with living in countries outside of Armenia is that 'the one' won't necessarily be one of your own. However, I have sorta worked out a way to be married and have children with people outside your race and still raising your child Armenian.

First and formost... it's gotta be a white person. Everyone comes from somewhere, but the majority of white people in America (that i've met) have no knowledge of their roots and really no culture other than the generic non-specific American culture. I've also noticed that this lack of culture draws them to other peoples culture. I've had a few white girlfriends, and everyone one of them has immediately clung to Armenian food, learning the language as much as they could (I've got many a white girl running around L.A. telling people "Soos mina!"), and listening to Armenian music. It's somethign exotic and beautiful and they recognize that, and lacking it within their own families, they give it a lot of respect and importance (Assuming we're not talking about the other kind of white person out there hwo is bigoted and goes around trying to kill anyone with a tan). Because of this, spouses who are white are not only willing to learn and assimilate into the culture themselves, but more than willing to raise your children that way. You also won't loose too much of the appearance of Armenianess in your children because their white side won't really change much of how they look since Armenians are fairly caucasian looking as it is.

For those of you who don't get the obvious reason why I made it white specific, it's because people of any other background will try to do basically the same thing you're doing... which is fine I guess if you don't mind your kid growing up with two cultures, but in my particular case I'd rather not have that happen. Also, like mentioned above, breeding with white people will not change the child's physical appearance much while a Black or Asian person proooooobably will.

[Emil]

I have been thinking about this subject alot. I have/had a feeling that it's ok to marry a non-armenian. But when I read fire's post, it made me think. On one hand, it's you who are marrying the person, not your family. But on the other, think of all the family gatherings that will happen. Granted, I don't have a huge "typical" immediate family. I only have 3 cousins, and the oldest is 13, my moms brother and his wife don't speak english that well yet. So now imagine a dinner, you're sitting there and it's an uncomfortable silence because everybody can't communicate with each other. I have been convincing myself that itself is enough reason to marry (if I ever get married) an Armenian girl. Besides, somebody has to make the coffee, right?

[Anonymouse]

You should study history better! And get a reality check yourself. Cause Race does matter, a whole lot actually!
For milleniums Armenains could survive only because they were able to adjust to races (Turkish, Osman, Persian, Roman, Mongoles and Arabs) who concurred us. In a way Armenians were forced to mingle with other races, at first place to maintain their lifes and secondly to be able to pass on the cultural heritage. The Armenians are still here only because of the power to pass on the heritage.
If you study the Armenians you will see that we are multiracial and have a culture that contains many -all the good- influances of other culturs. And we have survived for more that 3000 years.
You dont get born Armenian, you become Armenian or whatever you want to call yourself as long that it feels good within yourself.

Maybe it is you who should re study your history, because being a resilient people as the Armenians are and adapting to their conquerers, has nothing to do with mixing. Exceptions have always been there, but to suggest otherwise would be gross distortion of history since societies that have mixed on a large scale have changed and disappeared. That is the point, exceptions, that, if made to be the rule, would spell the end of Armenians, as well as any othe peoples. And if you are going to state sillyness like "you become Armenian or whatever you want to call yourself as long that it feels good", to me suggests prime nonsense, and you seem the type that loves mingling with other races. If you want to justify your prurient interests with mixing, just say you like it, but like I said to other people before, do not bring up silly reasons.

[angelik22]

yeah i switch back and forth between the two ideas... i mean it would be so much better and easier to just get with a non armo...since all the armo dudes out in LA are screwed up or weird... id be "happie"r with someone whose white (not just any person) and the way they think and deal with things... like most of my friends at school, but its just not me and i know i cant live with it, friendship and flirting are totally different from bringing someone into the family... even just going out with someone is totally different from a serious relationship and maybe later marraige...it's just too complicated of an issue.... almost like - - im an apple- and i like apples but i like oranges too, but if all the apples are rotten then i can choose an orange but its just not who i am ... oranges can never be apples...and if they mix its jsut totally different.. forgive me freaky analogy -- LOL

[HyeJinx1984]

yeah i switch back and forth between the two ideas... i mean it would be so much better and easier to just get with a non armo...since all the armo dudes out in LA are screwed up or weird...

Hey!!! I take that as an offense! I'm not screwed up or weird or rotten!!! Well.. I am.. but not in the bad kinda way. For your information, it's the Armo GIRLS who are the insufferable ones *sticks out tongue*

[angelik22]

LOl sure sure dude... maybe ure normal but i dont see anyone normal out where i am... all armo guys want is a mercedes to "roll around in" and a hoe to "roll" off the bed with

[hyebruin]

i wish all this would be a non-issue and that we lived in a world where none of this mattered!!---it is not hard for me to say 'no' but it is frustrating to be constantly approached by blacks and asians instead of some armenian...well, no armos are where i am --and you can NEVER tell 'em the truth! that you're not attracted to all ethnicities..(seems somehow hurtful! ) so i just smile and don't say anything..hee
~~nice armo to share armenian poetry and songs with~~ is that too mushy? i don't care!