Interracial Relationships.

[GSTracer05]

Not to be rude or anything. And I'm not trying to pick on you, but life is about living to the fullest isnt it? I mean many people feel this way. And for me finding who I am and where I belong is this world is living to the fullest.

Loving my culture and/or choosing to marry or "uniting armenians" or whatever means accomplishing that goal. That is even more rewarding to me then anything else. And I feel sorry for you, that you do not care about this stuff anymore. I am not saying BE proud of being armenian. That is not my point. My point is, its who you are, its in your blood and well be in your childrens blood, how can you not care (as simply as you stated).

BTW, it has everything to do with interracial relationships, because it helps some of us understand why many Armenians choose to marry our of race and why some dont.

My opinions have nothing to do with me being an Armenian. I'm proud to be one. I follow many of our culture's traditions. But that has nothing to do with my views on armenians associated with crime, armenians being racist towards each other, armenian gossip, armenian bickering. I simply dont care. If I find an armenian girl that I want to spend the rest of my life with, so be it. If not, then its not the end of the world because I am just as comfortable as marrying a non-armenian girl. I'd rather concentrate my worries on my life and my loved ones rather than the unity/welfare of Armenians. If you think I'm selfish, then so be it. Even if I do marry an Armenian, I plan to live far away from the Armenian masses Glendale, Burbank, Hollywood etc. as possible. Now, I'm not saying all armenians are bad, but from my experiences, I would not associate with a good 90% of them. But thats just my humble opinion.

[XxgoeyxX]

My opinions have nothing to do with me being an Armenian. I'm proud to be one. I follow many of our culture's traditions. But that has nothing to do with my views on armenians associated with crime, armenians being racist towards each other, armenian gossip, armenian bickering. I simply dont care. If I find an armenian girl that I want to spend the rest of my life with, so be it. If not, then its not the end of the world because I am just as comfortable as marrying a non-armenian girl. I'd rather concentrate my worries on my life and my loved ones rather than the unity/welfare of Armenians. If you think I'm selfish, then so be it. Even if I do marry an Armenian, I plan to live far away from the Armenian masses Glendale, Burbank, Hollywood etc. as possible. Now, I'm not saying all armenians are bad, but from my experiences, I would not associate with a good 90% of them. But thats just my humble opinion.

No my comment was not about crime or what not. It was about Armenians as a whole. If you want to talk about crime, then yes it hurts me when such things happen, because its within our community. Armenian or not.

You can marry an Armenian women or an otar. Thats your life, your business.

I cannot and have not associated with the 90% of those Armenians you speak of. But and I say BUT that has not and will never stop me from feeling I should marry an otar because their arnt any good Armenians left. Thats B.S and you know it.

And I must add I love my family just as much as you love yours, but my family has taught me to love my culture as well. I have had end-less conversations with my father about Armenians. I see all of the bad just as you see it. But because we are Armenians we see it easly then others will. Trust me my dear, I have not associated or hung-out or become friends of the people you speak of. Those people do not believe in anything but money, lying or what kind of car they drive. There will always be people like that in this world. And dont let stupid people like that make you write statments like this. *I will move away from the Armenians in LA.* Why? So what if they are idiots. You hold your values and your beliefs and teach that to your children and nothing will get in the way.

[GSTracer05]

No my comment was not about crime or what not. It was about Armenians as a whole. If you want to talk about crime, then yes it hurts me when such things happen, because its within our community. Armenian or not.

You can marry an Armenian women or an otar. Thats your life, your business.

I cannot and have not associated with the 90% of those Armenians you speak of. But and I say BUT that has not and will never stop me from feeling I should marry an otar because their arnt any good Armenians left. Thats B.S and you know it.

And I must add I love my family just as much as you love yours, but my family has taught me to love my culture as well. I have had end-less conversations with my father about Armenians. I see all of the bad just as you see it. But because we are Armenians we see it easly then others will. Trust me my dear, I have not associated or hung-out or become friends of the people you speak of. Those people do not believe in anything but money, lying or what kind of car they drive. There will always be people like that in this world. And dont let stupid people like that make you write statments like this. *I will move away from the Armenians in LA.* Why? So what if they are idiots. You hold your values and your beliefs and teach that to your children and nothing will get in the way.

Okay, we've had the marrying an "odar" convo before so I wont bother to get into that. You know my views.

As for Armenians as a whole...My views still don't change. I really do not concern myself with the affairs of Armenians. I educate myself about present news and what not, but unlike the "chille" poster, I do not believe that I have to take some stand to fight the wrongs done to, and by, armenians. I was just not raised that way as a child living in the San Fernando Valley. Outside of my family/relatives, I did not know a single Armenian till I was in college. Why would I want to live away from Armenians? because I feel more comfortable living among whites. (Not white trash, the middle to upper class whites, conservatives). You've spoken to me enough times to judge me personally Miss Goey and I would be as bold to say that you do not consider me a "bad" person. We just have different views of our lives/futures etc.

[XxgoeyxX]

Good luck teaching your children who they are if you do live among. And good luck finding an Armenian girl. Hope she is as adventurous as you want her to be. And no I dont think you are a bad person. I think you had to associate with more Armenians at your level rather then those idiots, in order to not say such things. Now im off to class!

[Inna]

But let me add Armenians moving to other countries does not mean they necessarily need to accept other values. I dont know if thats what you meant. But its a choice. Its a human choice. If they feel it is wrong then you or I or anyone else cannot change that. Maybe we can but it would be really hard. Now there are things my father will never accept. Some of them I agree with and some I dont. But I will not and cannot blame him for his beliefs. Thats how he was raised. Its in his blood, I cannot erase the feelings in his heart.

Its so hard to explain someone from a later generation about the things we believe in. If in anyway we feel its wrong, then we should not teach it to our children.

What I meant by "accepting other values" is for Armenians and other immigrants aswell to be able to understand and respect the values of their newly adopted country. It doesnt necessarily mean that they have to follow and believe in these values but they have to understand that they are living in a different country among different people who might have different views. From my own experience it seems Armenians have this idealogy that "we're right, everyone else must be wacked in the head."

[XxgoeyxX]

What I meant by "accepting other values" is for Armenians and other immigrants aswell to be able to understand and respect the values of their newly adopted country. It doesnt necessarily mean that they have to follow and believe in these values but they have to understand that they are living in a different country among different people who might have different views. From my own experience it seems Armenians have this idealogy that "we're right, everyone else must be wacked in the head."

Yes many already know that.

[SagGal]

Just thought I'd pop in to this Love and Romance forum, which doesn't seem to be getting any love at all.


First of all, you should not say that Armenians are racist just because you met one or more Armenians who say they hate other races. Secondly, you should not say Armenians are racist if one or more Armenians say that they want to marry only Armenians, because, that has nothing to do with racism.

Wanting to marry your own race, ethnicity, nationality, does not make you racist. If not wanting to marry another race is because you hate them (all of the other races), then it's racism. Otherwise, there are many other reasons for wanting to marry your own nationality, race, and ethnicity, which do not fit into the racism category.

If you think about it, some people of all races and nationalities are racist towards some of the other races/nationalities. Those racist people do not speak for their whole nationality though.





Whoa, Déjà vu. Where have I said this before?

[Anonymouse]

I'm not a big fan of interracial relationships, whether it be Armenians mixing with non-Armenians or whites mixing with blacks, or whatever. But I'd be a hypocrite if I said that it was wrong and I am totally against it. I can understand the fact that you can't control who you fall in love with, and if that is the case and the two racially different people really love eachother than I see no dilemma there. Two different races might create problems for the kids, depending on where the kid grows up. Often times your forced to associate yourself more with one of your parents ethnicity, culture, religion than the other.




I agree that some Armenians are worldly but even those that have moved to different nations and have learned a new language still fail to recognize and appreciate differences. No matter where they are Armenians manage to group together and live in their own communities among other Armenians. So just because they live in another country doesnt necessarily mean they accept that country's values.

Do you know what "worldly" means? It means to be versed in the ways of the world and its contents, in this case other languages and peoples. You fail to understand my point, and fail to understand Armenian peoples throughout history, whether it was from the time of the Achaemenians, Romans, Turks or Mongols or Arabs or recently the French or Germans or British, Armenians being an occupied people for most of their history have always been versed in the ways of the world and its languages, and constantly dealing with giant powers, they have always familiarized themselves with those peoples, their languages, since they have lived under those powers. That is what worldly means. It does not mean being egalitarians, nor living in colorless bliss. And what does accepting a country's values have anything to do with being worldly? You people are comparing two exclusive points. The average Armenian is far more worldly than your average mestizo Mexican. Armenians have displayed more creativity than your average Turk or Mexican has, so stating that Armenians are not "worldly" is stupid.

[Anonymouse]

Okay, we've had the marrying an "odar" convo before so I wont bother to get into that. You know my views.

As for Armenians as a whole...My views still don't change. I really do not concern myself with the affairs of Armenians. I educate myself about present news and what not, but unlike the "chille" poster, I do not believe that I have to take some stand to fight the wrongs done to, and by, armenians. I was just not raised that way as a child living in the San Fernando Valley. Outside of my family/relatives, I did not know a single Armenian till I was in college. Why would I want to live away from Armenians? because I feel more comfortable living among whites. (Not white trash, the middle to upper class whites, conservatives). You've spoken to me enough times to judge me personally Miss Goey and I would be as bold to say that you do not consider me a "bad" person. We just have different views of our lives/futures etc.

Oh wow, you're one of those "Omg I'm so cool and unique and white washed I choose to live with 'whites' [ as if Armenians aren't white ] and like I'm so unique and special and no one understands me. I am in love with myself and Armenians can't understand me, that is why I will pretend to be cool and not hang around them because I want to show that I am unique and distant and wanting to be understood".

Seriously. Stop thinking you're some unique gift to the world that no one can solve like a rubics cube, that has to distance himself from Armenians just to show your uniqueness. I used to think like this but that was highschool, and this is now.

[XxgoeyxX]

Just thought I'd pop in to this Love and Romance forum, which doesn't seem to be getting any love at all.


First of all, you should not say that Armenians are racist just because you met one or more Armenians who say they hate other races. Secondly, you should not say Armenians are racist if one or more Armenians say that they want to marry only Armenians, because, that has nothing to do with racism.

Wanting to marry your own race, ethnicity, nationality, does not make you racist. If not wanting to marry another race is because you hate them (all of the other races), then it's racism. Otherwise, there are many other reasons for wanting to marry your own nationality, race, and ethnicity, which do not fit into the racism category.

Thankk you SaGgal..thank you. That is what must of us are trying to say.....maww maww maww. Seee I'm giving a lot of love. hehehe!