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  • #201
    Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

    And ofcourse you know who is most racist.

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    • #202
      Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

      Originally posted by exfo View Post
      Unfortunately not only "a few moron" or radicals but an important proportion of the world including ordinary people hates, or at least dislikes US and (unfortunately) Americans. I said unfortunately because my idea is that thre is no "good nation" or "bad nation" but the governments. So one doesnt have to hate all Americans because of the US politics. bUt this is the actual situation. In Turkey there is a rising dislike (not hatred) towards US. And I observe the same at Europe. 3 months ago I made a long trip from London to Rome, Munchen, Brussels and Bratislava. Everywhere when I chat with people about world affairs I sense the same.Maybe you can not observe your reality from there but it is true.
      People do not dislike Americans only because they attack everywhere and kill people to gain more power (oh sorry, you call it as war against terrorism )
      But also people do not like the rising effect of the "American culture" everywhere. This profound and intellectual culture of America is surrounding more and more every part of the world with Hollywood films, Mcdonalds, etc.
      In USA you are teached that everyone in the world admire USA, USA is a some kind of heaven, center of the democracy and civilisation, bla bla bla...
      People also dislike this behaviour, stupid and absurd arrogance of Americans. You can not observe your own reality inside USA.
      Unfortunately, our government is corrupted and addicted to power... but that doesn't mean all Americans agree with our government's current actions and motives (I definitely don't!). Anyway, every country has at least a bit of arrogance about itself, but I know what you mean by the US overdoing it. But, unfortunately, there aren't enough people who agree with you or me, or they don't even care! Hopefully, people will start paying more attention to politics, and we'll be able to stop this deformation of our government.

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      • #203
        Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

        Originally posted by Էլիա View Post
        Unfortunately, our government is corrupted and addicted to power... but that doesn't mean all Americans agree with our government's current actions and motives (I definitely don't!). Anyway, every country has at least a bit of arrogance about itself, but I know what you mean by the US overdoing it. But, unfortunately, there aren't enough people who agree with you or me, or they don't even care! Hopefully, people will start paying more attention to politics, and we'll be able to stop this deformation of our government.
        Lets just assume for a second that we all have the same deffenition of "Curruption"

        What makes america a great country is that we are allowed to point out the things we have a problem with (freedom of speech).... this is the distingusighing factor about our government...


        I have no doubt USA is one of the best countries in the world no questions asked.....

        We voted for a Republican president (who we knew didn't like Sadam), we voted an all Republican Congress (back then).... the majority spoke...

        But the point is "WE" voted...... and now we will learn from our mistakes and vote accordingly....

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        • #204
          Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

          Originally posted by exfo View Post
          Unfortunately not only "a few moron" or radicals but an important proportion of the world including ordinary people hates, or at least dislikes US and (unfortunately) Americans. I said unfortunately because my idea is that thre is no "good nation" or "bad nation" but the governments. So one doesnt have to hate all Americans because of the US politics. bUt this is the actual situation. In Turkey there is a rising dislike (not hatred) towards US. And I observe the same at Europe. 3 months ago I made a long trip from London to Rome, Munchen, Brussels and Bratislava. Everywhere when I chat with people about world affairs I sense the same.Maybe you can not observe your reality from there but it is true.
          People do not dislike Americans only because they attack everywhere and kill people to gain more power (oh sorry, you call it as war against terrorism )
          But also people do not like the rising effect of the "American culture" everywhere. This profound and intellectual culture of America is surrounding more and more every part of the world with Hollywood films, Mcdonalds, etc.
          In USA you are teached that everyone in the world admire USA, USA is a some kind of heaven, center of the democracy and civilisation, bla bla bla...
          People also dislike this behaviour, stupid and absurd arrogance of Americans. You can not observe your own reality inside USA.
          To tell you the truth, exfo, Americans are not taught that they are the best and they do not glorify themselves (at least from the education that I have gotten anyway-- they actually critisize themselves for all of the wrong things that they have done[not sure if this applies to all educations though]). Also, (for the terrorism bit) I don't like Bush and I never will and I do not agree with his actions or that of the US government. The way that our government is structured is very conservative. Smaller states (those with less population) have more power than bigger states if they work together(which they do). Furthermore, smaller states are generally full of very conservative (even reactionary) minded people. Thus the senators and members of the House of Representatives that are directly elected by the people are generally conservative to mederate in their views. These people (congressmen) thus, choose the president by count of their electoral votes (not by popular votes of the people--If a popular vote is won in a state it doesn't matter because it is up to the congressmen the whole time). You have to understand that most people in America really dislike the Bush administration (that's why the Democrats won the mid-term elections ) but there is nothing that the majority of people can do because most of the power in the US is split unevenly among the states. Most Americans are not the styreotypical image that others imagine and I think that it is sad that other people think of them this way. Personally, I really like Americans (even though I was raised in an Eastern European immigrant neighborhood and didn't speak a word of English until I was 6 years old). Most of them are nice and respectful people (even thought there are a few racist reactionary WASP people) and they are always nice to foreigners. And so what about American culture. If the others don't like it then they don't have to go the their movies or eat their food ect. it's their choice and they have no right to judge the Americans because they choose to accept American culture. The spread of American culture onto others is their own fault, not the Americans fault.

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          • #205
            Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

            Originally posted by Gunner14 View Post
            What makes america a great country is that we are allowed to point out the things we have a problem with (freedom of speech).... this is the distingusighing factor about our government...


            I have no doubt USA is one of the best countries in the world no questions asked.....

            We voted for a Republican president (who we knew didn't like Sadam), we voted an all Republican Congress (back then).... the majority spoke...

            But the point is "WE" voted...... and now we will learn from our mistakes and vote accordingly....
            You really think that America has total free speech. I think that you are mistaken. Just look at Eugene V. Debs during the WWI era. He was a socialist and was arrested because of the Espionage Act of 1917 for praising anti-war sentiments (he was sent to jail for 10 years and lost his citizenship). Look at the Japanese citizens who tried to stand up for themselves during the WWII era when they were sent into concentration camps (Ex.= Korematsu vs. United States). Look at the middle eastern people who were held indefinitly in jail without trial (recently and even currently). Kind of sad, isn't it.

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            • #206
              Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

              Originally posted by Gunner14 View Post
              What makes america a great country is that we are allowed to point out the things we have a problem with (freedom of speech).... this is the distingusighing factor about our government...


              I have no doubt USA is one of the best countries in the world no questions asked.....

              We voted for a Republican president (who we knew didn't like Sadam), we voted an all Republican Congress (back then).... the majority spoke...

              But the point is "WE" voted...... and now we will learn from our mistakes and vote accordingly....

              hmmm...what about Bush and the Florida scandal... do you consider the elections as being fair?

              Americans have freedom of speech but did they protest the Iraq war? Who gave the right to Bush to invade Iraq just like that...I dont think Americans in general know much about the rest of the world...thats why even though they have freedom of speech they can only complain about their own country maybe but they remain ignorant towards the rest of the world... I think an egg on Bush's had was well deserved...

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              • #207
                Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

                Originally posted by gizzy View Post
                hmmm...what about Bush and the Florida scandal... do you consider the elections as being fair?

                Americans have freedom of speech but did they protest the Iraq war? Who gave the right to Bush to invade Iraq just like that...I dont think Americans in general know much about the rest of the world...thats why even though they have freedom of speech they can only complain about their own country maybe but they remain ignorant towards the rest of the world... I think an egg on Bush's had was well deserved...
                I care (I'm sure you'll agree if you read my essay in the General Discussion), but I'm too young to do anything drastic.

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                • #208
                  Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

                  Originally posted by sev_zeytun View Post
                  You really think that America has total free speech. I think that you are mistaken. Just look at Eugene V. Debs during the WWI era. He was a socialist and was arrested because of the Espionage Act of 1917 for praising anti-war sentiments (he was sent to jail for 10 years and lost his citizenship). Look at the Japanese citizens who tried to stand up for themselves during the WWII era when they were sent into concentration camps (Ex.= Korematsu vs. United States). Look at the middle eastern people who were held indefinitly in jail without trial (recently and even currently). Kind of sad, isn't it.
                  The first amendment has provisions that suspend freedom of speech when there is clear and present danger.....


                  enter the judicial system....


                  It's not perfect, but it's the best in the world.....period!


                  The best in the world!!! In the future I'm going to start a campaign for the republic of ARmenia to mimic the USA constitution.

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                  • #209
                    Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

                    Originally posted by gizzy View Post
                    hmmm...what about Bush and the Florida scandal... do you consider the elections as being fair?

                    Americans have freedom of speech but did they protest the Iraq war? Who gave the right to Bush to invade Iraq just like that...I dont think Americans in general know much about the rest of the world...thats why even though they have freedom of speech they can only complain about their own country maybe but they remain ignorant towards the rest of the world... I think an egg on Bush's had was well deserved...


                    I'm not happy about Florida...as I voted for Gore in my state..... but again the system is not perfect..... especially when it's that close..... politics had a lot to do with it.....


                    If Ralph nadar didnt run....that year....Florida wouldnt even have mattered .... It's politics.....


                    Americans didnt boycott the war??? Are you crazy??? Aside from half of congress oposing it...... half of our population was against it... its very complex im not going to summarize the US Civics in a few paragraphs for you...but after i graduated from college.... I realized we have the best system.......

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                    • #210
                      Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

                      Originally posted by Gunner14 View Post
                      The first amendment has provisions that suspend freedom of speech when there is clear and present danger.....


                      enter the judicial system....


                      It's not perfect, but it's the best in the world.....period!


                      The best in the world!!! In the future I'm going to start a campaign for the republic of ARmenia to mimic the USA constitution.
                      When is the last time you read the constitution? The first amendment does not 'suspend' anything. It protects people's rights. The first ten amendments were implemented to protect the citizens and the local and state governments from being totally run by the federal government.

                      You can look here if you want (this should be a trustworthy source): http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut....overview.html
                      Last edited by sev_zeytun; 05-03-2007, 08:09 PM.

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