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  • #161
    Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

    [QUOTE=Gunner14;173698][QUOTE=Esther;173697]
    Originally posted by gizzy View Post


    My comment on "Turks and collegiate" education was sarcastic.... sorry for causing confusion...

    I stand by for my hatred of the historic Turks.... I can't quite judge them individual so i judge them based on the things they have "accomplished"

    I don't have to justify myself to anyone.... you people act like you have no prejudices ....

    Find me a single rational person without prejudices
    and.... well find me one ......

    if you claim u r a person without ANY prejudices... your full of crap
    well, everybody have prejudices and I do aswell...its the human nature am afraid...BUT there is a level of prejudice which is acceptable and a level that is not acceptable...This example is beyond prejudice:
    "Racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another race or races. It is also the prejudice based on such a belief.Racism has been a motivating factor in social discrimination, racial segregation, hate speech and violence (such as pogroms, genocides and ethnic cleansings). "

    Am sure there have been many turks here who have been rude to you guys and I have read some examples...There have been some who have been rude to me as well...But if I see an Armenian and I think "she must be defintly rude to me since am a turk" and I avoid talking with her just coz she is armenian then I am going wrong...agreed?This is prejudice...But at least its at minimum level, didnt hurt anyone...However if I go and insult her when she speaks to me using these words "you armenians are all stupid and I hate you all" for example...that would be beyond prejudice.
    My point is...Am not expecting from you to wellcome every single turk here with open arms of course...I know you have many reasons for not liking them. But also many issues to discuss as well...So my advice is to be a bit more friendly, hmm at least less fanatic and give everyone a chance to express themselves before judging them... One should keep in mind not all individuals from the same ethnic background are the same (at least am not a clone, I can guarantee it)...

    As I said before am not from Turkey and am not a turkish citizen...I am a citizen of Cyprus government... I dont like turkish govenrment as well ( think I made this speech b4)... I do not like turkish people who come to cyprus just to become citizens and vote in elections...I do not like turkish people who claim "cyprus is our property"...I do not like turkish people who are fanatic and I would rather not speak with them coz they make me angry...etc..
    see, I have many reasons to hate turkey but I know that not every single one of their citizen are the same...My people suffered from war 30 years ago...I grew up with hate speechs towards greeks...Turkey was always praised as our "protector"...We all knew we used to live in peace in our island before the english came and this rang a bell to me...I know that we were all played by the english...It was a trap and we didnt see it coz we were manipulated...Turkey also got involved to get a bit of land for his army..these games have been played for many years and is still being played in the middle east ...does this sound familiar?

    At school I have been thought to hate a greek cypriots but I instead have a positive approach towards all coz I know they were thought to hate me as well...I think it was clever of me to deal with our problem this way coz they are as human as me and my family still have land on greek territory which they want to return if there be a solution...I met many greek cypriots and we were distant for a while but I liked them all coz I saw they were like mirror image of my people...

    anyway to sum things up...I fought my precuidice and this made me a more objective person and I hurt less people...It wouldnt hurt to try become less precudiced in order not to hurt the innocent...being aggressive is never the solution to the problem but its a start to another problem...

    this is for Էլիա...I frankly still dont know much about the genocide and I dont think its right of me to speak in behalf of all turks (since am not a citizen of their country and my ancestors probably never met yours).However I think one should do anything for peace and if peace means everyone accepting the armenian genocide then I do accept it...

    p.s: gosh, this is a way too long post...did anyone actually read all this?

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    • #162
      Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

      Living in the Usa,doesn't make it right.Usa made Japan citizens to go in ww2.Because they are to harmful for country.don't you see it is same,you may say that is from devil or you may say that is capitalism or you may say that is genociderism-i made the word right now-but gizzy says right turks say Cyprus is our property.i hate them
      In turkey there is no life for minority.but there is no life in Usa for minority.Armenians are not only minority in Usa.Armenians are strong.What about mexicans?what about muslims?
      In my opinion if i can not understand being 'other',nothing will change.

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      • #163
        Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

        [QUOTE=gizzy;173701][QUOTE=Gunner14;173698]
        Originally posted by Esther View Post

        well, everybody have prejudices and I do aswell...its the human nature am afraid...BUT there is a level of prejudice which is acceptable and a level that is not acceptable...This example is beyond prejudice:
        "Racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another race or races. It is also the prejudice based on such a belief.Racism has been a motivating factor in social discrimination, racial segregation, hate speech and violence (such as pogroms, genocides and ethnic cleansings). "

        Am sure there have been many turks here who have been rude to you guys and I have read some examples...There have been some who have been rude to me as well...But if I see an Armenian and I think "she must be defintly rude to me since am a turk" and I avoid talking with her just coz she is armenian then I am going wrong...agreed?This is prejudice...But at least its at minimum level, didnt hurt anyone...However if I go and insult her when she speaks to me using these words "you armenians are all stupid and I hate you all" for example...that would be beyond prejudice.
        My point is...Am not expecting from you to wellcome every single turk here with open arms of course...I know you have many reasons for not liking them. But also many issues to discuss as well...So my advice is to be a bit more friendly, hmm at least less fanatic and give everyone a chance to express themselves before judging them... One should keep in mind not all individuals from the same ethnic background are the same (at least am not a clone, I can guarantee it)...

        As I said before am not from Turkey and am not a turkish citizen...I am a citizen of Cyprus government... I dont like turkish govenrment as well ( think I made this speech b4)... I do not like turkish people who come to cyprus just to become citizens and vote in elections...I do not like turkish people who claim "cyprus is our property"...I do not like turkish people who are fanatic and I would rather not speak with them coz they make me angry...etc..
        see, I have many reasons to hate turkey but I know that not every single one of their citizen are the same...My people suffered from war 30 years ago...I grew up with hate speechs towards greeks...Turkey was always praised as our "protector"...We all knew we used to live in peace in our island before the english came and this rang a bell to me...I know that we were all played by the english...It was a trap and we didnt see it coz we were manipulated...Turkey also got involved to get a bit of land for his army..these games have been played for many years and is still being played in the middle east ...does this sound familiar?

        At school I have been thought to hate a greek cypriots but I instead have a positive approach towards all coz I know they were thought to hate me as well...I think it was clever of me to deal with our problem this way coz they are as human as me and my family still have land on greek territory which they want to return if there be a solution...I met many greek cypriots and we were distant for a while but I liked them all coz I saw they were like mirror image of my people...

        anyway to sum things up...I fought my precuidice and this made me a more objective person and I hurt less people...It wouldnt hurt to try become less precudiced in order not to hurt the innocent...being aggressive is never the solution to the problem but its a start to another problem...

        this is for Էլիա...I frankly still dont know much about the genocide and I dont think its right of me to speak in behalf of all turks (since am not a citizen of their country and my ancestors probably never met yours).However I think one should do anything for peace and if peace means everyone accepting the armenian genocide then I do accept it...

        p.s: gosh, this is a way too long post...did anyone actually read all this?


        I read it.....


        There is no point discussing these matters on here.... english, turks, americans, armenians...

        This is the last thing I'm going to say about it.... I believe what happend in 1915 was a genocide, and that's my belief and as long as I have an interest in politics and foreign affairs.... I will try to get USA to recognize the genocide....

        Because I feel that not properly addressing this genocide has left a whole in the history of the world...

        Most Armenians, yes most.... Don't hete middle easterners or people from the caucuses .... In fact Armenians get along the best outside of ARmenians with Persians, Greeks, and even Arabs... because there are a lot of ARmeians who speak Arabic... so exfo you're wrong thinking Armenians are xenophobic toward the people you listed....
        Last edited by Gunner14; 04-29-2007, 08:01 AM.

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        • #164
          Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

          Originally posted by Gunner14 View Post


          Most Armenians, yes most.... Don't hete middle easterners or people from the caucuses .... In fact Armenians get along the best outside of ARmenians with Persians, Greeks, and even Arabs... because there are a lot of ARmeians who speak Arabic... so exfo you're wrong thinking Armenians are xenophobic toward the people you listed....
          Again, Armenians at Armenia, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey are never xenophobic towards Turks or another nation. Because our region do not have that kind of tradition. Yes, we have some other very bad behaviours such as rising blind nationalism in Turkey, radicalism at Arabic countries, territorial and historical disputes among Caucasia, etc.
          BUT
          We never have that kind of xenophobic and racist behaviours. This is the tradition of the western world, mainly of Europe and after 9/11 USA also adopt this trend.
          Diaspora Armenians who live at western countries like France, USA and Canada have this "asiatic barbarians, mongolian savages" thing which you never get tired of repeating the same racist and xenophobic attitude at this internet forum. And since you are originally not western people (which I think you also do not want to face with this reality) the 3th and 4th generation have also adopted this racism and apply to Turks.
          This is my last post about the discussion. If you have questions I welcome, but I also agree that we do not get any point. You will continue your campain (which I do not contradict with you on principle), but only one thing, when you conduct your campain about 1915 just try to focus with your peoples attitudes, too. Only sometimes focus to your diaspora. Because my idea is you can never impose Turkey to accept genocide with international pressure. The dialogue is the only way, and to make a dialogue first both sides should stop this blind hatred.

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          • #165
            Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

            Originally posted by exfo View Post
            Only sometimes focus to your diaspora. Because my idea is you can never impose Turkey to accept genocide with international pressure. The dialogue is the only way, and to make a dialogue first both sides should stop this blind hatred.

            OK...

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            • #166
              Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

              Originally posted by exfo View Post
              And since you are originally not western people (which I think you also do not want to face with this reality) the 3th and 4th generation have also adopted this racism and apply to Turks.
              Armenians don't say that they are "western people"... that's another stereotype.

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              • #167
                Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

                Originally posted by tamara48 View Post
                Living in the Usa,doesn't make it right.Usa made Japan citizens to go in ww2.Because they are to harmful for country.don't you see it is same,you may say that is from devil or you may say that is capitalism or you may say that is genociderism-i made the word right now
                I think it is probably uneducation and stupidity that triggers the devil inside one's heart. If all the people realized that war brings pain and suffering only, world would have been a better place for all of us...

                Originally posted by tamara48 View Post
                In my opinion if i can not understand being 'other',nothing will change.
                ^^ If you meant to say "you should put yourself in others' shoes to understand them" then I agree with you...It can also be called as "empathy"...It is the only way one can understand the true feelings of the opposite and is a necessity for objective reasoning...

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                • #168
                  Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

                  I know this is offtopic, but what's the difference between Greeks and Greek Cypriots, and also between Turks and Turk Cypriots (besides that they live in different places)?

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                  • #169
                    Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

                    hmmm...the difference comes from the splits in history...Greek cypriots (also called rums) came to the island during the byzantine empire around 1200. Turkish cypriots came to the island during the Ottoman rule around 1500...

                    Ottoman empire moved a minority of "muslim" population to the island>>> arabs, albanians, maronites etc... At ottoman times, all muslims were called turk and orthodox christians were called rums.During the downfall of ottoman empire they rent the island to English as form of a "defence alliance"(1878)... During the ww1, the english said "the island is ours know, we pay no rent"(1925) and they colonized the island... There came the british rule and the problems started among the people because of the "divide and rule" strategy of the british...

                    Many civilizations passed over cyprus... The island has a strategic position and therefore the big rulerz at the time always wanted to own cyprus... other cilivilaztions that conquered cyprus include the venetians, roman empire, persians, egyptians...The new coming population mixed with the existing one and contributed to the gene pool...

                    Referring back to the question... Turkish cypriots have different culture than turkish people in turkey...In general we tent to be less religious and more "mediterranean" due to the cultural mixings we had through generations. Woman are allowed to wear whatever they like, there is democracy between man and woman, cypriots wont kill for "honour" issues as some people in turkey does, we are allowed to say whatever we like(freedom of speech though turkey is getting on our nerves coz they put pressure on us) and protestants are not "attacked" by our own police(that is how it is in turkey in general), the education rate is same as any other european country ( in turkey there is a high rate of uneducation) and majority of people attent to university...etc
                    and also we have our "own version" of turkish mixed with latin and greek words and messed up grammer ^^...

                    and the rums...they also have their of "greek version" they use some turkish words in their language, they are more litterate than greeks etc..

                    you can find more of our culture here ^^:

                    Our Blog - Kwintessential
                    http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/resources/global-etiquette/cyprus-country-profile.html
                    Last edited by gizzy; 04-30-2007, 01:01 AM.

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                    • #170
                      Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

                      Originally posted by gizzy View Post
                      Ottoman empire moved a minority of "muslim" population to the island>>> arabs, albanians, maronites etc... At ottoman times, all muslims were called turk and orthodox christians were called rums.

                      Many civilizations passed over cyprus...

                      other cilivilaztions that conquered cyprus include the venetians, roman empire, persians, egyptians...The new coming population mixed with the existing one and contributed to the gene pool...

                      Turkish cypriots have different culture than turkish people in turkey...

                      In general we tent to be less religious and more "mediterranean" due to the cultural mixings we had through generations.

                      Woman are allowed to wear whatever they like, there is democracy between man and woman, cypriots wont kill for "honour" issues as some people in turkey does, we are allowed to say whatever we like(freedom of speech though turkey is getting on our nerves coz they put pressure on us) and protestants are not "attacked" by our own police(that is how it is in turkey in general), the education rate is same as any other european country ( in turkey there is a high rate of uneducation) and majority of people attent to university...etc

                      and also we have our "own version" of turkish mixed with latin and greek words and messed up grammer ^^...
                      Hmmm, so you make your best to imply that you are not Turkish or middle eastern genetically, you are some sort of European and you are very civilised
                      Sound familiar with diaspora words, I think you will find many friends here Gizzy. Btw are you also some sort of Aryan, too?
                      Last edited by exfo; 04-30-2007, 01:25 AM.

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