Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

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Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

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[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

First of all, 92 years is not a long time history wise. Second, the Russians went to WAR. The Armenians did not participate in war as a nation but, somehow, 1.5 million people die. Why? In history books many atrocities are recognized and recorded so there is acceptance and closure. So if the Armenian Genocide is "just history" then why don't the Turks just accept it and move on?!? Give me a good, straight, and honest answer. All we want is closure, at least in my case anyway.

Let me give you a very honest answer:

Why don't Turks accept genocide?

I have to go back to ASALA again to make you understand clear about what is happening from our side. There was not a "deny policy" of Turkey about 1915 until 1970s. There was no information such as Armenian geonicide on the history books, but people of 1960s were generally accepted that some horrible things happened to Armenians at WW1.
Then a terrorist group rise called ASALA and started to kill people to promote the Armenian genocide. People in Turkey shocked with this new issue and feel themselves as offended. Most of the casualties was by the ministery of foreign affairs of Turkey and an unprompted reaction appeared by the MFA such as denying 1915 as a crime. Suddenly government sided scholars and diplomats start to promote the actual policy of Turkey today. (Sorry for my English, I hope you can understand what I mean) Then the activities of Armenian lobbies rised. The allegation of these groups was so biased, full of hatred and racist against Turks that a similiar reaction arised from this side.
Maybe if we had a chance to discuss about these issues calmly side by side, today everything would be different. You created such an aggressive policy against Turkey that people here feel that they are threathened by Armenian diaspora to accept a crime that they did not committed. True or false, but this is the actual feeling of people here now. That is why I also accuse your side because of this "acceptance of genocide" problem. Please just try to have a neutral view even to your website. Besides daily lifes (sport, career, etc.) almost everything here is about how Turks are savages, murderers, how can we destroy Turkey, etc. And I don't know how can we find a solution. We could find a solution about the crimes at 1915 ,besides the term of genocide itself, with Armenia but your diaspora also threathened Armenia for not to establish relationships with Turkey without the "confess of genocide"
Turks want to discuss about your accusations but you say that: ok, we can discuss about the genocide later but first accept the genocide!

This is how the problem seen fom this side, not my personal views.

[Tanistlin]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I'm a 18 aged Turkish boy,and I cant see what's wrong with it...If I love her,I would date or maybe marry with an Armenian girl..It doesnt matter..

[Էլիա]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Would you be against her in terms of the Armenian Genocide?

[Gunner14]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Let me give you a very honest answer:

Why don't Turks accept genocide?

I have to go back to ASALA again to make you understand clear about what is happening from our side. There was not a "deny policy" of Turkey about 1915 until 1970s. There was no information such as Armenian geonicide on the history books, but people of 1960s were generally accepted that some horrible things happened to Armenians at WW1.
Then a terrorist group rise called ASALA and started to kill people to promote the Armenian genocide. People in Turkey shocked with this new issue and feel themselves as offended. Most of the casualties was by the ministery of foreign affairs of Turkey and an unprompted reaction appeared by the MFA such as denying 1915 as a crime. Suddenly government sided scholars and diplomats start to promote the actual policy of Turkey today. (Sorry for my English, I hope you can understand what I mean) Then the activities of Armenian lobbies rised. The allegation of these groups was so biased, full of hatred and racist against Turks that a similiar reaction arised from this side.
Maybe if we had a chance to discuss about these issues calmly side by side, today everything would be different. You created such an aggressive policy against Turkey that people here feel that they are threathened by Armenian diaspora to accept a crime that they did not committed. True or false, but this is the actual feeling of people here now. That is why I also accuse your side because of this "acceptance of genocide" problem. Please just try to have a neutral view even to your website. Besides daily lifes (sport, career, etc.) almost everything here is about how Turks are savages, murderers, how can we destroy Turkey, etc. And I don't know how can we find a solution. We could find a solution about the crimes at 1915 ,besides the term of genocide itself, with Armenia but your diaspora also threathened Armenia for not to establish relationships with Turkey without the "confess of genocide"
Turks want to discuss about your accusations but you say that: ok, we can discuss about the genocide later but first accept the genocide!

This is how the problem seen fom this side, not my personal views.

Thank you for your response.... but now, you're beginning to make excuses...

And most deniers are just making excueses.

So you're saying if ASALA hadn't killed 15 turkish diplomats in the last 30 years.....

maybe Turks would recognize the Genocide?

Would open discussion to a reconciliation?

Would not hate Armenians?

I'm not calling you a criminal and I am not accusing you or any of your turkish friends of genocide.... but your ancestors.... they did a terrible thing..... you know it!!!!!!!!!

I'm done .. this is pointless.....

It's human nature.... if you do something good, your first thought is it's because of me and how great I am.... you do something bad (genocide), your first thought is it's because of everything else going on in the world besides me.

And now Turks are claiming ARmenians commited Genocide to them... incredible.....

EXFO, just answer one thing.... do you think Armenians were victims, but you don't think that it was genocide....

or do you think that Armenians were killing Turks and in retaliation, turks "defended" themselves and killed like 80% of Armenians?


if you think the first is true, then i welcome discussion with you, if you think the latter is true, i don't want to talk to you because you clearly are lacking the historic knowledge neccessary....

BTW, Your english is fine, and i applaud you annalitic skills, but the denying of the Armenian Genocide has many many layers on behalf of the turks (Pshchogical, political, social, and economic) so unless you are really willing to study this issue .... you're just another turk, with Attaturk tattood on his forhead... and thus... clearly lack objective reasoning...


Good day..

[Էլիա]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Let me give you a very honest answer:

Why don't Turks accept genocide?

I have to go back to ASALA again to make you understand clear about what is happening from our side. There was not a "deny policy" of Turkey about 1915 until 1970s. There was no information such as Armenian geonicide on the history books, but people of 1960s were generally accepted that some horrible things happened to Armenians at WW1.
Then a terrorist group rise called ASALA and started to kill people to promote the Armenian genocide. People in Turkey shocked with this new issue and feel themselves as offended. Most of the casualties was by the ministery of foreign affairs of Turkey and an unprompted reaction appeared by the MFA such as denying 1915 as a crime. Suddenly government sided scholars and diplomats start to promote the actual policy of Turkey today. (Sorry for my English, I hope you can understand what I mean) Then the activities of Armenian lobbies rised. The allegation of these groups was so biased, full of hatred and racist against Turks that a similiar reaction arised from this side.
Maybe if we had a chance to discuss about these issues calmly side by side, today everything would be different. You created such an aggressive policy against Turkey that people here feel that they are threathened by Armenian diaspora to accept a crime that they did not committed. True or false, but this is the actual feeling of people here now. That is why I also accuse your side because of this "acceptance of genocide" problem. Please just try to have a neutral view even to your website. Besides daily lifes (sport, career, etc.) almost everything here is about how Turks are savages, murderers, how can we destroy Turkey, etc. And I don't know how can we find a solution. We could find a solution about the crimes at 1915 ,besides the term of genocide itself, with Armenia but your diaspora also threathened Armenia for not to establish relationships with Turkey without the "confess of genocide"
Turks want to discuss about your accusations but you say that: ok, we can discuss about the genocide later but first accept the genocide!

This is how the problem seen fom this side, not my personal views.

I say the same things Gunner14 said, but I still have more to say. How are we supposed to discuss with you Turks when your assasinating Armenians for only saying there was an Armenian Genocide. Wow, stating your opinion (and not even an opinion, a fact!) in public is such a deplorable crime! [/sarcasm] And as for ASALA, how many times do I have to say that ASALA was created because of the Genocide, and no other reason! And it killed the Young Turk pigs because they kept running away from confrontation for their crimes (genocide...), so the Armenians needed to get their revenge... as for the embassies, still revenge! This will not stop until your country stops being so scared and full of excuses and starts accepting the genocide!

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Let me give you a very honest answer:

Why don't Turks accept genocide?

I have to go back to ASALA again to make you understand clear about what is happening from our side. There was not a "deny policy" of Turkey about 1915 until 1970s. There was no information such as Armenian geonicide on the history books, but people of 1960s were generally accepted that some horrible things happened to Armenians at WW1.
Then a terrorist group rise called ASALA and started to kill people to promote the Armenian genocide. People in Turkey shocked with this new issue and feel themselves as offended. Most of the casualties was by the ministery of foreign affairs of Turkey and an unprompted reaction appeared by the MFA such as denying 1915 as a crime. Suddenly government sided scholars and diplomats start to promote the actual policy of Turkey today. (Sorry for my English, I hope you can understand what I mean) Then the activities of Armenian lobbies rised. The allegation of these groups was so biased, full of hatred and racist against Turks that a similiar reaction arised from this side.
Maybe if we had a chance to discuss about these issues calmly side by side, today everything would be different. You created such an aggressive policy against Turkey that people here feel that they are threathened by Armenian diaspora to accept a crime that they did not committed. True or false, but this is the actual feeling of people here now. That is why I also accuse your side because of this "acceptance of genocide" problem. Please just try to have a neutral view even to your website. Besides daily lifes (sport, career, etc.) almost everything here is about how Turks are savages, murderers, how can we destroy Turkey, etc. And I don't know how can we find a solution. We could find a solution about the crimes at 1915 ,besides the term of genocide itself, with Armenia but your diaspora also threathened Armenia for not to establish relationships with Turkey without the "confess of genocide"
Turks want to discuss about your accusations but you say that: ok, we can discuss about the genocide later but first accept the genocide!

This is how the problem seen fom this side, not my personal views.

But hasn't the ASALA been inactive for a while and haven't most of its biggest leaders been assassinated by former ASALA members, MIT, and the Grey Wolves? Also, how will we be able to dicsuss genocide when the Turks don't even believe that there ever was one to begin with? I understand that the ASALA committed lots of unethical crimes in order to get attention but what about before this(other than the general public)? Why wasn't the Turkish government recording any of this before 1975?

BTW: your English is fine. Don't worry about it too much.

[Էլիա]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

But hasn't the ASALA been inactive for a while and haven't most of its biggest leaders been assassinated by former ASALA members, MIT, and the Grey Wolves? Also, how will we be able to dicsuss genocide when the Turks don't even believe that there ever was one to begin with? I understand that the ASALA committed lots of unethical crimes in order to get attention but what about before this(other than the general public)? Why wasn't the Turkish government recording any of this before 1975?

BTW: you English is fine. Don't worry about it too much.

Good job sev zeytun! See exfo, there have been many chances (including now) for Turkey to talk about the Armenian Genocide with the Armenians, but Turkey doesn't really want to, but they're informing the Turks that they want to.

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