Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

What makes america a great country is that we are allowed to point out the things we have a problem with (freedom of speech).... this is the distingusighing factor about our government...


I have no doubt USA is one of the best countries in the world no questions asked.....

We voted for a Republican president (who we knew didn't like Sadam), we voted an all Republican Congress (back then).... the majority spoke...

But the point is "WE" voted...... and now we will learn from our mistakes and vote accordingly....

hmmm...what about Bush and the Florida scandal... do you consider the elections as being fair?

Americans have freedom of speech but did they protest the Iraq war? Who gave the right to Bush to invade Iraq just like that...I dont think Americans in general know much about the rest of the world...thats why even though they have freedom of speech they can only complain about their own country maybe but they remain ignorant towards the rest of the world... I think an egg on Bush's had was well deserved...

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

What makes america a great country is that we are allowed to point out the things we have a problem with (freedom of speech).... this is the distingusighing factor about our government...


I have no doubt USA is one of the best countries in the world no questions asked.....

We voted for a Republican president (who we knew didn't like Sadam), we voted an all Republican Congress (back then).... the majority spoke...

But the point is "WE" voted...... and now we will learn from our mistakes and vote accordingly....

You really think that America has total free speech. I think that you are mistaken. Just look at Eugene V. Debs during the WWI era. He was a socialist and was arrested because of the Espionage Act of 1917 for praising anti-war sentiments (he was sent to jail for 10 years and lost his citizenship). Look at the Japanese citizens who tried to stand up for themselves during the WWII era when they were sent into concentration camps (Ex.= Korematsu vs. United States). Look at the middle eastern people who were held indefinitly in jail without trial (recently and even currently). Kind of sad, isn't it.

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Unfortunately not only "a few moron" or radicals but an important proportion of the world including ordinary people hates, or at least dislikes US and (unfortunately) Americans. I said unfortunately because my idea is that thre is no "good nation" or "bad nation" but the governments. So one doesnt have to hate all Americans because of the US politics. bUt this is the actual situation. In Turkey there is a rising dislike (not hatred) towards US. And I observe the same at Europe. 3 months ago I made a long trip from London to Rome, Munchen, Brussels and Bratislava. Everywhere when I chat with people about world affairs I sense the same.Maybe you can not observe your reality from there but it is true.
People do not dislike Americans only because they attack everywhere and kill people to gain more power (oh sorry, you call it as war against terrorism )
But also people do not like the rising effect of the "American culture" everywhere. This profound and intellectual culture of America is surrounding more and more every part of the world with Hollywood films, Mcdonalds, etc.
In USA you are teached that everyone in the world admire USA, USA is a some kind of heaven, center of the democracy and civilisation, bla bla bla...
People also dislike this behaviour, stupid and absurd arrogance of Americans. You can not observe your own reality inside USA.

To tell you the truth, exfo, Americans are not taught that they are the best and they do not glorify themselves (at least from the education that I have gotten anyway-- they actually critisize themselves for all of the wrong things that they have done[not sure if this applies to all educations though]). Also, (for the terrorism bit) I don't like Bush and I never will and I do not agree with his actions or that of the US government. The way that our government is structured is very conservative. Smaller states (those with less population) have more power than bigger states if they work together(which they do). Furthermore, smaller states are generally full of very conservative (even reactionary) minded people. Thus the senators and members of the House of Representatives that are directly elected by the people are generally conservative to mederate in their views. These people (congressmen) thus, choose the president by count of their electoral votes (not by popular votes of the people--If a popular vote is won in a state it doesn't matter because it is up to the congressmen the whole time). You have to understand that most people in America really dislike the Bush administration (that's why the Democrats won the mid-term elections ) but there is nothing that the majority of people can do because most of the power in the US is split unevenly among the states. Most Americans are not the styreotypical image that others imagine and I think that it is sad that other people think of them this way. Personally, I really like Americans (even though I was raised in an Eastern European immigrant neighborhood and didn't speak a word of English until I was 6 years old). Most of them are nice and respectful people (even thought there are a few racist reactionary WASP people) and they are always nice to foreigners. And so what about American culture. If the others don't like it then they don't have to go the their movies or eat their food ect. it's their choice and they have no right to judge the Americans because they choose to accept American culture. The spread of American culture onto others is their own fault, not the Americans fault.

[Gunner14]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Unfortunately, our government is corrupted and addicted to power... but that doesn't mean all Americans agree with our government's current actions and motives (I definitely don't!). Anyway, every country has at least a bit of arrogance about itself, but I know what you mean by the US overdoing it. But, unfortunately, there aren't enough people who agree with you or me, or they don't even care! Hopefully, people will start paying more attention to politics, and we'll be able to stop this deformation of our government.

Lets just assume for a second that we all have the same deffenition of "Curruption"

What makes america a great country is that we are allowed to point out the things we have a problem with (freedom of speech).... this is the distingusighing factor about our government...


I have no doubt USA is one of the best countries in the world no questions asked.....

We voted for a Republican president (who we knew didn't like Sadam), we voted an all Republican Congress (back then).... the majority spoke...

But the point is "WE" voted...... and now we will learn from our mistakes and vote accordingly....

[Էլիա]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Unfortunately not only "a few moron" or radicals but an important proportion of the world including ordinary people hates, or at least dislikes US and (unfortunately) Americans. I said unfortunately because my idea is that thre is no "good nation" or "bad nation" but the governments. So one doesnt have to hate all Americans because of the US politics. bUt this is the actual situation. In Turkey there is a rising dislike (not hatred) towards US. And I observe the same at Europe. 3 months ago I made a long trip from London to Rome, Munchen, Brussels and Bratislava. Everywhere when I chat with people about world affairs I sense the same.Maybe you can not observe your reality from there but it is true.
People do not dislike Americans only because they attack everywhere and kill people to gain more power (oh sorry, you call it as war against terrorism )
But also people do not like the rising effect of the "American culture" everywhere. This profound and intellectual culture of America is surrounding more and more every part of the world with Hollywood films, Mcdonalds, etc.
In USA you are teached that everyone in the world admire USA, USA is a some kind of heaven, center of the democracy and civilisation, bla bla bla...
People also dislike this behaviour, stupid and absurd arrogance of Americans. You can not observe your own reality inside USA.

Unfortunately, our government is corrupted and addicted to power... but that doesn't mean all Americans agree with our government's current actions and motives (I definitely don't!). Anyway, every country has at least a bit of arrogance about itself, but I know what you mean by the US overdoing it. But, unfortunately, there aren't enough people who agree with you or me, or they don't even care! Hopefully, people will start paying more attention to politics, and we'll be able to stop this deformation of our government.

[Selpak]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

And ofcourse you know who is most racist.

[karoaper]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Sorry to interrupt your "peace heaven" utopia but this is the exact definition of the thing what we call as xenophobia. And this creates the thing what we call racism.

A turk chastising someone for being racist is like a hooker criticizing someone for lack of morals.

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Since we're talking about governments and stuff, I posted my persuasive essay assignment about the U.S. government's abuse of power and its specific issue of the war with Iraq. So, if you want to read it, please click here.

Քանի որ պետութիւններու մասին կը խօսինք եւ այլն, իմ համոզիչ փորձագրութեան պարտականութիւնս, Ամերիկայի պետութեան զօրութեան եղծելին եւ իր մասնաւոր Իրաքի պատերազմի հարցին մասին, «փոստ» ըրի: Ուրեմն, եթէ կ'ուզես կարդալ, հաճիս հոս կոխէ՛:

Nice essay, you surprised me this time. Finally some people are awaking and start to understand what they are doing. How many percent of the US population support this thesis nowadays?

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

We're not all the same.... biologically yes we're the same... but pshychologically and socially we're not the same.... some people because of the way they were nurtured are raised differently (sometimes opposite ends of the spectrum).....

More peacful
More inelectual
More bellicose (Turks )
More religeous
etc etc......

sorry, no Turks (and by turks I mean, you were raised in Turkey and you claim A-town (allah))

i'm sorry but my intuition will not allow me to trust you lot....

Sorry to interrupt your "peace heaven" utopia but this is the exact definition of the thing what we call as xenophobia. And this creates the thing what we call racism.

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

i don't think that americans are disliked THAT much. I know that a few morons from the world have problems with America but that doesn't mean that most people hate Americans and whoever hates Americans with that kind of stereotyping is a racism moron anyway. Every government has done bad things (all governments have at least a certain amount of corruption) but that does not mean that the citizens are bad people. It's this kind of racist thinking that destroys peace in this world. But I think that it is also an innate human instinct to dislike a whole group of people even though only a small group of people did something bad. It's not a good instinct but it's there anyway.

P.S. Gizzy, I don't mind writing this here. I think that people were going to get off topic anyway but, if you want, we can write in a different post. I'm very interested to hear what everyone has to say.

Unfortunately not only "a few moron" or radicals but an important proportion of the world including ordinary people hates, or at least dislikes US and (unfortunately) Americans. I said unfortunately because my idea is that thre is no "good nation" or "bad nation" but the governments. So one doesnt have to hate all Americans because of the US politics. bUt this is the actual situation. In Turkey there is a rising dislike (not hatred) towards US. And I observe the same at Europe. 3 months ago I made a long trip from London to Rome, Munchen, Brussels and Bratislava. Everywhere when I chat with people about world affairs I sense the same.Maybe you can not observe your reality from there but it is true.
People do not dislike Americans only because they attack everywhere and kill people to gain more power (oh sorry, you call it as war against terrorism )
But also people do not like the rising effect of the "American culture" everywhere. This profound and intellectual culture of America is surrounding more and more every part of the world with Hollywood films, Mcdonalds, etc.
In USA you are teached that everyone in the world admire USA, USA is a some kind of heaven, center of the democracy and civilisation, bla bla bla...
People also dislike this behaviour, stupid and absurd arrogance of Americans. You can not observe your own reality inside USA.