Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

You got me wrong...... I denounce ASALA's way of doing things. I konw they murdered..... im not denying that why would u say I was? that's just dumb....

Again you bring up other things. why?

Native Americans? Do you know what kind of privillages the Native Americans Have in the USA...... many... and do you know why, becouse the US government has recognized the "genocide" that happend to them even though it occoured 200 years, yes 200 years before they existed...thats like 4 generations....

That's fine by me, let Turkey ackgnowledge some sort of wrong doing in 1915... and let armenians build casinos and our lands tax free.... that sound fair??



You're comparing the Iraq war with the ARmenian genocide? are you kidding me??

I thought you were different but you too are "muhomidised" as i call it....

You're comparing a war involving two countries with millitaries, who were aware that the one would attack the other if certain things didn't happen.... to

A Government killing it's own citizens ....... TURKEY!!!

And I see you're trying to protect the MUSLIM image... and saying wester world sees you as monsters and barbarians... I don't want to get into that........ lets just say fanaticism hasn't been good to your religion....

Now i'm glad you believe what happend in 1915 was genocide...and rational person could see that....

So now what?

Are you saying becaue other countries got away with it Turkey shoud too??? is this an ethical and moral way of living???

Seeing as how moral and ethical the Islam world is.... I would think Turkey would do the right thing..and say yes the ottoma government did a terrible thing...and we are willing offer these reparations... will never ever happend do you know why??? <---- because muslims like the judas... and christians all think they have some kind of superiority because they believe in a God....... that's why attaturk had one good thing about him.... he was a secularist, because he realized the downfall of religion... smart man he was no doubting that.... but this isn't a religious discussion.... we are talking about a government trying to get rid of all of a certain type of group from it's country... and in particular Armenia and turkey

Right now I'm talking to you about the 1915 genocide, if we both can agree that it was a genocide why are we still arguing???

First lets settle this.... and then, if it matters to us we can resolve other "genocides" that you think happend.....


Vietnam? Do you know how much money USA gave vietnam for the damage it caused?

Iraq??? I'm sure you read the paper so you knwo how much money it gives to the new Iraqi government

Japan??? Usa Gave billions in damages for 1944.....

The point is they recognize what they did in retrospect, and attempt to offer some appology...

Turks??? hahaa..... they think they are Allah's gift to the world..... everything they do is justifyed....

Dear Gunner (very republican connotative nick )
I do not discuss here whether 1915 was genocide or not. And the reason why I mention about ASALA or USA genocide is not to find excuses. What I want to focus here is to make you understand why this genocide problem between Turks and Armenians is still deadlock.
I explained why, clearly above. Since you are a middle east and caucasus nation originally, you behave as if you are european or some sort of western nation and try to make orientalism towards Turks. All the humiliations and insults of diaspora towards Turks smell racism. Above posters also clerly show that even at history you use the orientalism and xenophobia of europeans towards asians to promote your genocide. If you continue to approach the matter like this way the problems between us are never solved.
Why I mentioned about USA, France, etc. I repeat again, of course the genocide of another nation doesnt excuse for ours. BUT, I really can not understand why France parliement suddenly recognise the Armenian genocide just before the elections, AND MORE IMPORTANT POINT: France still did not accept that they made genocide towards Algerians, how shame that they can make decisions for other nations history??? Answer is simple as I said above: Because French people still obsessed with their shameful acts on WW2 genocide. And they want to create an accomplice. Why doesnt French parliement first accept that they made genocide to Algerians first, or USA made genocide towards natives (oh after being exterminated the %98 of the native population, the remains can open casino tax free, very good)
Why does the whole western world is double faced? Why double standart always? When it comes to Turks you start to say that "oh all the world hates you, you are probably bad people" image. Whn I say that "also all world hates Americans" you ignore. West is good east is bad. West create the civilisation, rest are barbarians. Sorry but I dont interest with the mental problems of the western world on genocides. I just want to discuss with only Armenians.

So after you completely destroyed Vietnam and Iraq, killed millions of people, you gave money to them. Good. What is your next job at Iraq, open tax free casino?

Do you understand what I mean with biased, double standarded approach on Armenian genocide now?

Regarding Islam, I really do not want to discuss it with you since you seem full of too many stereotypes towards Muslims. Maybe at another discussion.

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

But, why won't you answer my question about Hrant Dink? I will ask it again, and please answer it this time.

You decide to be mature this time?

[tamara48]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Also, my definition of genocide is a little different. I think that genocide is the intent and actions taken towards eliminating a national, racial, political, or cultural group. I don't think that the J**s apply to this. That is why it is called the Holocaust and not the Genocide. Holocaust is the killing of a large group of people (mass slaughter/killing). J**s are not an ethnic group, they are part of a religion and they were not the only ones targeted by the Nazi's. Nazi's wanted to "cleanse" Germany of everyone who they thought was “impure”/"undesirable” including homosexuals, mentally ill, physically disabled, communists, freemasons, gypsies (Roma and Sinti), Russians, Poles, Serbs, POW (prisoners of war), ect. Don't act as though the J**s were the only ones killed because it is not true.

I know what happened in ww2.I prefered the **ws because they are guilty of muslim genocide now.In the international Law,after the holocaust,genocide word is accepted.
This idea doesn't kill everyone.Nazi's wanted to change poor people's eye colour with chemical solutions.Turks changed orphan Armenian children names.THey made their name Turkish if they could and gave every child number as a last name.
I am glad to find someone who share my ideas.

[Էլիա]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Also, my definition of genocide is a little different. I think that genocide is the intent and actions taken towards eliminating a national, racial, political, or cultural group. I don't think that the J**s apply to this. That is why it is called the Holocaust and not the Genocide. Holocaust is the killing of a large group of people (mass slaughter/killing). J**s are not an ethnic group, they are part of a religion and they were not the only ones targeted by the Nazi's. Nazi's wanted to "cleanse" Germany of everyone who they thought was “impure”/"undesirable” including homosexuals, mentally ill, physically disabled, communists, freemasons, gypsies, Russians, Poles, Roma, Serbs, POW (prisoners of war), ect. Don't act as though the J**s were the only ones killed because it is not true.

Wow, I didn't know that. Anyway, what the Turks did does match both given defintions (yours and Gunner14's) of genocide.

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Also, my definition of genocide is a little different. I think that genocide is the intent and actions taken towards eliminating a national, racial, political, or cultural group. I don't think that the J**s apply to this. That is why it is called the Holocaust and not the Genocide. Holocaust is the killing of a large group of people (mass slaughter/killing). J**s are not an ethnic group, they are part of a religion and they were not the only ones targeted by the Nazi's. Nazi's wanted to "cleanse" Germany of everyone who they thought was “impure”/"undesirable” including homosexuals, mentally ill, physically disabled, communists, freemasons, gypsies (Roma and Sinti), Russians, Poles, Serbs, POW (prisoners of war), ect. Don't act as though the J**s were the only ones killed because it is not true.

[Էլիա]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I agree with you. Uncle Sam has been especially bad lately. But, if you read the American newspapers they talk about Americans killing innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. It is not as though they do not know or understand what is going on (at least those who read the newspaper) and I also think that, for the most part, many Americans also acknowledge the fact that they are basically there for oil (that's why Americans want to get out of Iraq but Bush isn't allowing that to happen[he extended voluntary military service by 90 extra days---not so voluntary anymore, is it?]).

Yup, President Bush is really starting to act like Andrew Jackson....

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

ya Usa gave the money because Vietnam kicked Uncle Sam's back.Usa is guilty of Iraq Genocide,Japan Genocide.uncle sam invading countires just for oil---is sentence similar ya because its a part of temper's lyrics.Ottoman Empire killed its own citizens,usa did it too.It doesnt make a side right.It makes both sides guilty.Some Turks say Kurds are responsible for the genocide,not Turks.Supporting an army is the biggest murder.Turkey did it in the past,now it helps America.Sells lands to Israel.Israel kills muslims in middle east.you can't blame muslims being terroist.you should know Armenia is poor country however it has natural sourcers,but Armenia can't use it.don't you understand it is just about power,i am not republican,may be i should say sorry but i WON'T.İ think no one can say our genocides was bad but other genocides not.Anyway i read paper but not only americans.I read other papers so i can see the system's splits

I agree with you. Uncle Sam has been especially bad lately. But, if you read the American newspapers they talk about Americans killing innocent Iraqi men, women, and children. It is not as though they do not know or understand what is going on (at least those who read the newspaper) and I also think that, for the most part, many Americans also acknowledge the fact that they are basically there for oil (that's why Americans want to get out of Iraq but Bush isn't allowing that to happen[he extended voluntary military service by 90 extra days---not so voluntary anymore, is it?]).

[Էլիա]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

So lets come to the critical point:
Why do I refer ASALA? To find excuses? No, I will tell below:
First of all, I don't have a persistance for not to call 1915 as genocide. Yes you can give me a definition of genocide and compare 1915 with that definition and come to a conclusion that 1915 was a genocide. The problem here is the term of "genocide" and this so famous "clash of civilisations" How?
Lets once forget Turks-Armenians and think about all genocides. All your examples are Sudan, Cambodia...? What was our definition of Mr Lempkin? What about USA, France, Belgium, Spain? What USA did to Natives perfectly match with that definition. What French did to Algerians, too. What Spanish did for Native Americans? We talk about 1.5 million, there was 25 million native americans before westerns invade the continent. Where are they? Lets come to ASALA to make you understand why Turks don't accept the genocide like this. I don't remember that USA accept that they made genocide, you live at USA so you probably know better than me. ASALA, liberation, justice... very nice words. WHY DO YOU ALWAYS FEEL YOURSELF AS MORALLY SUPERIOR? When Turks did a crime it is crime, but if Armenians bomb airports, kill passengers, murder innocent people who have no relation with your genocide...You even can not call them as murderers. Why? Because you are the good guys. Because Armenians belong to the western civilisation (at least you try to show like it) Because you are Christian. Because you are civilised, when muslim terrorists kill 2000 people at WTC it is a tragedy. But when USA kill 100.000's at Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam...it is just statistics. Because western people have families, they have a life. Others?
I frankly don't like the image and stereotypes that you use to promote your case.

Lets just confess my friend, your people do not believe that a Turk and an Armenian is not equal. Thats why you always try to proove that you are westerner, white, civilised...And Turks are "asiatic", "mongolian", "savage", "barbarian"...

If you continue to support your case with these kind of arguments you will always face with a reaction from the Turkish side. Thats why I believe that the problem should be solved between Turks in Turkey and Armenians in Armenia. Because the emotional problems of diaspora makes the problem deadlock.
Again I repeat, I dont discuss about the genocide itself. I just want to focus how "genocide" is seen from your side and our side.

Well, of course not all Armenians are good (no entire culture is perfect, obviously), and I also agree that Armenians and Turks should sit and talk about this. But, why won't you answer my question about Hrant Dink? I will ask it again, and please answer it this time. How are Armenians supposed to discuss the Armenian Genocide, if people are being arrested/assasinated for even mentioning the Armenian Genocide? As for the other genocides, is that really our topic right now? Yes, all cultures/religions have their bad periods of history, but does that mean that just because some cultures don't do the right thing and get away with it (which isn't the case, as Gunner14 explained), the Turks should also get away with it? I don't think so. Also, please don't compare wars with genocides.

Turkish genocide of Armenians wasn't only about power, it was about hatred as well

There are several reasons for the Armenian Genocide, and I'll just list some of them simply: massive Turkic Empire by linking Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, etc., Armenian's alliance with Russians, Armenians' protests of better rights and less taxes for being Christian and Armenian, propoganda that Christians [Armenians] wanted to kill Muslims [Turks]... these are the main reasons, but I think there are more, which I don't remember right now.

[Gunner14]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

ya Usa gave the money because Vietnam kicked Uncle Sam's back.Usa is guilty of Iraq Genocide,Japan Genocide.uncle sam invading countires just for oil---is sentence similar ya because its a part of temper's lyrics.Ottoman Empire killed its own citizens,usa did it too.It doesnt make a side right.It makes both sides guilty.Some Turks say Kurds are responsible for the genocide,not Turks.Supporting an army is the biggest murder.Turkey did it in the past,now it helps America.Sells lands to Israel.Israel kills muslims in middle east.you can't blame muslims being terroist.you should know Armenia is poor country however it has natural sourcers,but Armenia can't use it.don't you understand it is just about power,i am not republican,may be i should say sorry but i WON'T.İ think no one can say our genocides was bad but other genocides not.Anyway i read paper but not only americans.I read other papers so i can see the system's splits

When did Usa kill its own citizens??

Blame muslims for being terrorists?? You don't blame people for being terrorists... you deal with them....

We understand its for power... but it's not "JUST" for power.....

Turkish genocide of Armenians wasn't only about power, it was about hatred as well

[tamara48]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

ya Usa gave the money because Vietnam kicked Uncle Sam's back.Usa is guilty of Iraq Genocide,Japan Genocide.uncle sam invading countires just for oil---is sentence similar ya because its a part of temper's lyrics.Ottoman Empire killed its own citizens,usa did it too.It doesnt make a side right.It makes both sides guilty.Some Turks say Kurds are responsible for the genocide,not Turks.Supporting an army is the biggest murder.Turkey did it in the past,now it helps America.Sells lands to Israel.Israel kills muslims in middle east.you can't blame muslims being terroist.you should know Armenia is poor country however it has natural sourcers,but Armenia can't use it.don't you understand it is just about power,i am not republican,may be i should say sorry but i WON'T.İ think no one can say our genocides was bad but other genocides not.Anyway i read paper but not only americans.I read other papers so i can see the system's splits