Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[QUOTE=Gunner14;173593][QUOTE=gizzy;173579]

You don't know me .... and because I have a problem with the Turkish government you're saying I have the same hatred that the Turks did... pathetic...

oh please...one should be blind to not to see what am talking about so please stop acting...If you want proof there are many to see on this forum amd you all know it well...Even the first wellcome I had the waves of prejudice...You need a reminder? there you go:

Gunner14:
Congratulations on being Turkish and getting a collegiate education.

Is Borat your boyfriend?

What was the point of your post?

I think you don't mean harm, but....

You say one should think objectively and not judge on biases, yet when history books told you what monsters your ancestors were, you chose not believe it.....

The Turks "explored" in the same way that the Vikings did.....

Sorrry for the animosity, but it is well deserved.

And, I love hearing that word "fairytale" from every Turkish poster... start using a thesaurus.

Cheers

arent these your words guner? They smell of hatret....Yess...you said sorry and I am really happy...I appreciate people can make mistakes but you insulted someone just coz you learnd she is turkish and that is whats called "racism"...I hope you change your mind sometime and try to evaluate people on individual basis next time...

[Էլիա]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

I'm done..... You win..... because you're absalutely right.. Turkey has no reason what so ever to recongize the Armenian genocide, or give anything to Armenia.....

Turkey has many reasons to accpet its crime at history. And has reasons to accept the genocide after some real discussions between Turks and Armenians (not with racist diaspora and racist Turks)

Genocide recognition and demanding territory or whatsoever are two different things. I supposed that if we accept the `genocide` we would make some sort of peace. What fool I am. So what are your other demands' please list.
1. Ararat mountain?
2. Eastern Anatolia (or Western Armenia )?
3. Money? (how much do you want btw?)
4. Revenge? (we can sacrifice 1.5 million people from Izmir if you want, they are lazy and useless)
5. Turn back to central asia? (I think this is the optimum solution)

My friend, really, what do you want from us exactly???

Well, obviously, the two things are connected. During the genocide, the Turks were trying to exterminate us, so, of course, they had to take us out of our land. Ararat is our homeland, our culture, our pride. I think it's common sense that Turkey has to give it back to us! Eastern Anatolia is Western Armenia... Anatolia doesn't mean "land of Turks" or whatever you think it means, so don't say "or Western Armenia". As for money, you tell me? Do the Germans give money to the xxxs? Revenge is unnecessary, and no one said they wanted 1.5 million Turks to die, so don't make up stereotypes. As for Turks and Central Asia, even though they belong there, and came from there, and barged into our land, it's not our decision, but the Turks' decision...

[Gunner14]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[QUOTE=gizzy;173579][QUOTE]1. Ararat mountain?
2. Eastern Anatolia (or Western Armenia )?

hmmm...I also think they should give the lands as a compensation for genocide at least, coz as far as I know the population density is really low there anyway...What would turkey loose if they have given the lands back back exfo? nothing...I think the government needs to improve their image towards Armenians coz they hate turks so much...I sense way too much fanatizm at least on this forum...

I sympatize all of your case and I understand the reasons why you are angry at turkey and you are right but I sense hypocritizm when you mention genocide and yet at the same time you have racism deep in your heart towards turks???What difference is there between fanatic armenians who hates turks and those who killed your people with cold blood???...

For me, human rights is really precious.Therefore I have ultimate respect to those who are fighting for their rights and I support their case but they should show they lack racist attitudes.

I don't like people who generalize..... really??? I have the same racism that the Turks had ??? Are you kidding me???

You don't know me .... and because I have a problem with the Turkish government you're saying I have the same hatred that the Turks did... pathetic...

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[QUOTE]1. Ararat mountain?
2. Eastern Anatolia (or Western Armenia )?[QUOTE]

hmmm...I also think they should give the lands as a compensation for genocide at least, coz as far as I know the population density is really low there anyway...What would turkey loose if they have given the lands back back exfo? nothing...I think the government needs to improve their image towards Armenians coz they hate turks so much...I sense way too much fanatizm at least on this forum...

I sympatize all of your case and I understand the reasons why you are angry at turkey and you are right but I sense hypocritizm when you mention genocide and yet at the same time you have racism deep in your heart towards turks???What difference is there between fanatic armenians who hates turks and those who killed your people with cold blood???...

For me, human rights is really precious.Therefore I have ultimate respect to those who are fighting for their rights and I support their case but they should show they lack racist attitudes.

[Gunner14]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[QUOTE=exfo;173574][QUOTE=Gunner14;173571]I'm done..... You win..... because you're absalutely right.. Turkey has no reason what so ever to recongize the Armenian genocide, or give anything to Armenia.....

Turkey has many reasons to accpet its crime at history. And has reasons to accept the genocide after some real discussions between Turks and Armenians (not with racist diaspora and racist Turks)

Genocide recognition and demanding territory or whatsoever are two different things. I supposed that if we accept the `genocide` we would make some sort of peace. What fool I am. So what are your other demands' please list.
1. Ararat mountain?
2. Eastern Anatolia (or Western Armenia )?
3. Money? (how much do you want btw?)
4. Revenge? (we can sacrifice 1.5 million people from Izmir if you want, they are lazy and useless)
5. Turn back to central asia? (I think this is the optimum solution)

My friend, really, what do you want from us exactly???

Ideally.... mount Arart becomes border between turkey and armenia... and apology.... and favorible trading routs...

Realistically... nothing! I guess I'm just trying to make right in my heart... what your ancestors did wrong..... and i'm not how or if it will ever happen....

I don't want to talk about it anymore, it's pointless.... until the united states recognizes it and stirs some things up... it's pointless.... we will continue to lobby congress and so will you... and we willl just go back and forth....

I think we have a small advantage because there are lots of us in the UNIteds states... and for the most part they like us here... so.... gradually more and more congressmen want to aprove.... just because our community in the states is pretty strong.... I don't care to get into sementics anymore....

Turkey will NEVER admit any guilt or give any land.... only disslike ARmenians more and more and think we just acting like Judas... whatever... i dont care anymore... untill i join congress in like 20 years it doesnt really matter what i think about the subject...


but i think we should just give the matter to an international court/mediator... let them decide... if they are like you and they think 1.5 million turks should die... then there you go.... i can be sarcastic too....

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

[QUOTE=Gunner14;173571]I'm done..... You win..... because you're absalutely right.. Turkey has no reason what so ever to recongize the Armenian genocide, or give anything to Armenia.....[QUOTE]

Turkey has many reasons to accpet its crime at history. And has reasons to accept the genocide after some real discussions between Turks and Armenians (not with racist diaspora and racist Turks)

Genocide recognition and demanding territory or whatsoever are two different things. I supposed that if we accept the `genocide` we would make some sort of peace. What fool I am. So what are your other demands' please list.
1. Ararat mountain?
2. Eastern Anatolia (or Western Armenia )?
3. Money? (how much do you want btw?)
4. Revenge? (we can sacrifice 1.5 million people from Izmir if you want, they are lazy and useless)
5. Turn back to central asia? (I think this is the optimum solution)

My friend, really, what do you want from us exactly???

[exfo]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

as well as give us back Ararat...

Now you are talking

[Gunner14]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Dear Gunner (very republican connotative nick )
I do not discuss here whether 1915 was genocide or not. And the reason why I mention about ASALA or USA genocide is not to find excuses. What I want to focus here is to make you understand why this genocide problem between Turks and Armenians is still deadlock.
I explained why, clearly above. Since you are a middle east and caucasus nation originally, you behave as if you are european or some sort of western nation and try to make orientalism towards Turks. All the humiliations and insults of diaspora towards Turks smell racism. Above posters also clerly show that even at history you use the orientalism and xenophobia of europeans towards asians to promote your genocide. If you continue to approach the matter like this way the problems between us are never solved.
Why I mentioned about USA, France, etc. I repeat again, of course the genocide of another nation doesnt excuse for ours. BUT, I really can not understand why France parliement suddenly recognise the Armenian genocide just before the elections, AND MORE IMPORTANT POINT: France still did not accept that they made genocide towards Algerians, how shame that they can make decisions for other nations history??? Answer is simple as I said above: Because French people still obsessed with their shameful acts on WW2 genocide. And they want to create an accomplice. Why doesnt French parliement first accept that they made genocide to Algerians first, or USA made genocide towards natives (oh after being exterminated the %98 of the native population, the remains can open casino tax free, very good)
Why does the whole western world is double faced? Why double standart always? When it comes to Turks you start to say that "oh all the world hates you, you are probably bad people" image. Whn I say that "also all world hates Americans" you ignore. West is good east is bad. West create the civilisation, rest are barbarians. Sorry but I dont interest with the mental problems of the western world on genocides. I just want to discuss with only Armenians.

So after you completely destroyed Vietnam and Iraq, killed millions of people, you gave money to them. Good. What is your next job at Iraq, open tax free casino?

Do you understand what I mean with biased, double standarded approach on Armenian genocide now?

Regarding Islam, I really do not want to discuss it with you since you seem full of too many stereotypes towards Muslims. Maybe at another discussion.

I'm done..... You win..... because you're absalutely right.. Turkey has no reason what so ever to recongize the Armenian genocide, or give anything to Armenia..... period.

Good luck to you, and I hope you succeed in showing the world what great people the Turkies are.....

As far as I go.... if anyone discusses the WW1 era, I will gladly share my opinions because i feel they have merit.... good luck to ya.....


Gizzy...... I would like Turkey to show the Armenian nation and people some respect and acknowledge the wrong doings of the past..... as well as give us back Ararat... that's all I want.

[tamara48]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Էլիա,what was your question about Hrant?I couldn't find in the topic your comment about this.I believe that i can tell him well because he was my one of best writers.But someone stole his from us.(-this really is not about topic so sorry)

[gizzy]

Re: Is it wrong to date Turkish Cypriot people?

Ok..as I said before, I dont know exactly what happened between Armenians and turkish government so I want to ask questions to understand better...so if I get it right...the solution to Armenian problem is Turkey giving "sorry" money to Arnemian government , accepting the genocide and apologizing etc...?
and another question...would you consider Armenian government more democratic than Turkey's government?