Global Warming

[KanadaHye]

Re: Global Warming

It's been unusually cold for summer this year... which is why I wonder how much evidence there is when a lot of the average global temperature increases are due to rises of summer temperatures. Summer is getting hotter but winter isn't.

[Haykakan]

Re: Global Warming

It's been unusually cold for summer this year... which is why I wonder how much evidence there is when a lot of the average global temperature increases are due to rises of summer temperatures. Summer is getting hotter but winter isn't.

Actually winters here in Detroit are nothing like they used to be. I icefish a lot and couple years ago there weasnt safe ice untill end of january which is unheard of. This year the ice melted before the crappies(fish) started schooling which again was way too early. The spring came early but was cool so is the summer so far. As i said earlier no one really knows whats going to happen but it is obvious things are not normal like they were before, there is less weather stability now with a definate heating trend worldwide.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Global Warming

Yea... I'm still not buying into the green car crap. Detroit muscle, lol.

[hipeter924]

Re: Global Warming

Global warming + Global Cooling = Climate Change

Most media get it wrong and still use global warming to describe the environmental change happening. For example scientists in NZ are predicting -4 degrees Celsius to +4 degrees Celsius change. Seasons are set to either get colder or warmer, most likely both.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Global Warming

So do you agree with me that the media may be intentionally or unintentionally playing on ignorance of the people? Or are we only getting one side of the story?

[Haykakan]

Re: Global Warming

I personaly think something just aint right with the climate anymore and humans probably have somethin to do with it. As far as the media, they will report whatever they thing gets attention and to be honest climate change recently has not been getting as much coverage as it was before. Healthcare and iran/korea issues seem to predominate o and MJ to. Besides climate change, the crap we pump into the air also destroys our health. Asma, emphazima and other resporatory diseases are up world wide. Pallution is a huge issue worldwide and it needs to be dealt with sooner then later.

[KanadaHye]

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Oh yeah, I'm not saying we're not polluting the environment but I think its local, not global. If humans were to stop polluting the air, the Earth's system would balance out. I really don't think we're as significant as we think we are. If you want clean air, drive out into the country. The city is a trap for smog and exhaust fumes with surrounding buildings trapping the pollution. I'm more worried about fresh water than fresh air.

[hipeter924]

Re: Global Warming

Oh yeah, I'm not saying we're not polluting the environment but I think its local, not global. If humans were to stop polluting the air, the Earth's system would balance out. I really don't think we're as significant as we think we are. If you want clean air, drive out into the country. The city is a trap for smog and exhaust fumes with surrounding buildings trapping the pollution. I'm more worried about fresh water than fresh air.

Kanada, if we stopped driving cars that pollute so much and started walking, cycling and using hydrogen and electric powered transport that would cut out 60%+ emissions just like that. Then we wouldn't have to penalise factories and so forth for pollution, as for climate change we can adapt to the new climate but at a massive human cost (maybe several billion deaths) and if we continue the way we are now and just add more and more pollution then it could get a lot worse.

[Haykakan]

Re: Global Warming

More solid data.

Find a forecast:















Earth's oceans had warmest summer on record
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Red dots on this map of the Earth show where above-average temperatures were measured this summer. Blue dots indicate cooler-than-average temperatures. The bigger the dot, the greater the departure from average temperature.






Summer temperatures for the globe's ocean surface ranked as the warmest on record, according to a report released Wednesday by the National Climatic Data Center.
Overall, when the Earth's land areas and oceans are included together, the three-month June-August period measured as the third-warmest summer on record. Global climate records go back to 1880.

Climatologists measure summer from June 1 to Aug. 31. The climate center is a branch of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

"During the season, warmer-than-average temperatures engulfed much of the planet's surface," the center wrote in an online report. One exception to the warmth was the north-central USA and central Canada, which had an unusually cool summer.

The ocean's summer temperature was 62.5 degrees, 1 degree above the 20th-century average of 61.5 degrees.

Part of the unusually warm summer is due to a weak El Nino, a natural periodic warming of the tropical Pacific Ocean that affects weather around the world. "If El Nino continues to mature as projected by NOAA, global temperatures are likely to continue to threaten previous record highs," noted the center's report.

Additionally, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center, Arctic sea ice covered an average of 2.42 million square miles during August. This is 18.4% below the 1979-2000 average extent and is consistent with a decline of August sea ice extent since 1979.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Global Warming

The thing is, for every argument, you can find an opposing view or argument. Just not in the popular media

Global Cooling Chills Summer 2009

As cap-and-trade advocates tie their knickers in knots over so-called “global warming,” Mother Nature refuses to cooperate. Earth’s temperatures continue a chilling trend that began eleven years ago. As global cooling accelerates, global-warmists kick, scream, and push their pet theory — just like little kids who cover their ears and stomp their feet when older children tell them not to bother waiting up for Santa Claus on Christmas Eve.

Consider how the globe cooled last month:

June in Manhattan averaged 67.5 degrees Fahrenheit, 3.7 degrees below normal — the coldest average since 1958. The National Weather Service stated on July 1: “The last time that Central Park hit 85 in May . . . but not in June was back in 1903.”

In Phoenix, June’s high temperatures were below 100 degrees for 15 days straight, the first such June since 1913. In California’s desert, Yucca Valley’s June average was 83.5, 8.5 degrees below normal. Not far away, downtown Los Angeles averaged 74.5 degrees, five below normal.

Boston saw temperatures 4.7 degrees below normal. “This is the second coldest average high temp since 1872,” veteran meteorologist and Weather Channel alumnus Joseph D’Aleo reports at Icecap.com. “1903 is the record.” D’Aleo told me, “It has been so cool and so cloudy that trees in northern New England are starting to show colors that normally first appear in September.” Looking abroad, D’Aleo noted: “Southern Brazil had one of the coldest Junes in decades, and New Zealand has had unusual cold and snow again this year.”

New Zealand’s National Climate Centre issued a June 2 press release headlined, “TEMPERATURE: LOWEST EVER FOR MAY FOR MANY AREAS, COLDER THAN NORMAL FOR ALL.”

South African officials say cold weather killed two vagrants in the Eastern Cape. Both slept outdoors the evening of June 26 and froze to death.

July also has been more than a bit brisk.

“FREAK SUMMER STORM DUMPS SNOW ON YONKERS,” the New York Post blared after a July 8 storm brought a wintry mix to that city just north of Gotham. That same day, the high temperature reached 65 degrees at O’Hare International Airport, making it Chicago’s coldest July 8 since 1891. Meanwhile, in Melbourne, Australia, temperatures have been 10 degrees below average, while frost has covered lawns and windshields. On July 13, Albert Gore will appear in Melbourne to explain to Australians that they are shivering due to warming.

Simmer down, global-warmists retort. These are mere anecdotes, handpicked to make us look silly.

Well, one would be foolish to challenge space-borne satellites that gauge Earth’s mean temperatures — cold, hot, and average. Here again, evidence of global cooling piles up like snow drifts.




“There has been no significant global warming since 1995, no warming since 1998, and global cooling for the past few years,” former U.S. Senate Environment Committee spokesman Marc Morano writes at ClimateDepot.com. Citing metrics gathered by University of Alabama–Huntsville’s Dr. Roy Spencer, Morano adds: “The latest global averaged satellite temperature data for June 2009 reveal yet another drop in Earth’s temperature. . . . Despite his dire warnings, the Earth has cooled 0.74 degrees F since former Vice President Al Gore released An Inconvenient Truth in 2006.”

Earth’s temperatures fall even as the planet spins within what global-warmists consider a thickening cloud of toxic carbon dioxide. (Never mind that fauna exhale it, and flora devour it.)

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Earth System Research Laboratory at Mauna Loa, Hawaii, consistently and reliably has measured CO2 for the last 50 years. CO2 concentrations have risen steadily for a half century.



For December 1958, the laboratory reported an atmospheric CO2 concentration of 314.67 parts per million (PPM). Flash forward to December 1998, about when global cooling reappeared. CO2 already had increased to 366.87 PPM. By December 2008, CO2 had advanced to 385.54 PPM, a significant 5.088 percent growth in one decade.

This capsizes the carbon-phobic global-warmist argument. For Earth’s temperatures to sink while CO2 rises contradicts global-warmism as thoroughly as learning that firefighters can battle blazes by spraying them with gasoline.



So, to defeat so-called “global warming,” there is no need for the $864 billion Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade bill, a Kyoto successor treaty, elaborate new regulations, or United Nations guidelines. Instead, let the cold times roll.

Alan Carlin, a Caltech-trained physicist and 35-year-veteran Environmental Protection Agency analyst, recently raised some of these issues in a 98-page paper he and a colleague co-authored. “We believe our concerns and reservations are sufficiently important to warrant a serious review of the science by EPA,” they wrote.

As the Wall Street Journal’s Kim Strassel detailed July 6, the Obama administration ordered Carlin to clam up.

His boss, Al McGartland, e-mailed Carlin to prohibit “any direct communication” on his paper with anyone outside his office. McGartland later told Carlin: “You need to move on to other issues and subjects. I don’t want you to spend any additional EPA time on climate change. No papers, no research etc., at least until we see what EPA is going to do with Climate.”

#ad#It is one thing to have a national debate about a serious problem, with adults differing over which solution might work best. Reasonable people, for instance, can dispute whether growing federal involvement would heal or inflame our health-care system’s serious maladies.

But as so-called “global warming” proves fictional, those who would shackle the economy with taxes and regulations to fight mythology increasingly resemble deinstitutionalized derelicts on an urban street corner, wildly swatting at their own imaginary monsters.

— New York commentator Deroy Murdock is a nationally syndicated columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution, and Peace at Stanford University.


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