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    Isn't it funny we were just talking about this the other day?


    NASA refurbishes video copies of moon landing

    WASHINGTON – With the help of Hollywood, those historic, grainy images of the first men on the moon never looked better. NASA unveiled refurbished video Thursday of the July 20, 1969, moonwalk restored by the same company that sharpened up the movie "Casablanca."

    NASA lost its original moon landing videotapes and after a three-year search, officials have concluded they were probably erased. That original live video was ghostlike and grainy.

    NASA and a Hollywood film restoration company took television video copies of what Apollo 11 beamed to Earth 40 years ago and made the pictures look sharper.

    NASA emphasized the video isn't "new" — just better quality.

    "There's nothing being created; there's nothing being manufactured," said NASA senior engineer D!ck Nafzger, who's in charge of the project.

    But some details seem new because of their sharpness. Originally, Armstrong's face visor was too fuzzy to be seen clearly. The refurbished video shows his visor and a reflection in it.

    The $230,000 refurbishing effort is only three weeks into a months-long project, and only 40 percent of the work has been done. But it does show improvements in four snippets: Armstrong walking down the ladder, which includes the face visor image; Buzz Aldrin walking down the ladder; the two astronauts reading a plaque they left on the moon; the planting of the flag on the moon.

    The original videos beamed to earth were stored on giant reels of tapes that each contained 15 minutes of video, along with 13 other channels of live data from the moon. In the 1970s and 1980s, NASA had a shortage of the tapes and erased about 200,000 of those tapes and reused them. That's apparently what happened to the famous moon landing footage.

    Nafzger praised the restored work for its crispness. The restoration company, Lowry Digital of Burbank, Calif., also refurbished "Star Wars" and James Bond films, along with "Casablanca."

    The company noted that the latter film had a pixel count 10 times higher than the moon video, meaning the moon footage was fuzzier than that vintage movie and more of a challenge in one sense.

    But the moon video also was three continuous hours, not chopped up like movies are, which made some of the work easier, said Lowry president Mike Inchalik.

    Of all the video the company has dealt with, he said, "This is by far and away the lowest quality."

    The restoration used four video sources: CBS News originals; kinescopes from the National Archives; a video from Australia that received the transmission of the original moon video; and camera shots looking at a TV monitor.

    Both Nafzger and Inchalik said they went to extremes to enhance the video as conservatively as possible.

    By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer

    You can view the restored video here: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/.../apollo11.html


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090716/...sci_moon_video
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    Could moon landings have been faked? Some still think so

    -A cult of conspiracy theorists believe NASA faked the Apollo moon landings

    -The U.S. wanted to avoid embarrassment and trump the Soviets, hoax theorists say

    -Theorists point to "inconsistencies" in NASA photos and TV footage

    -A poll shows 6 percent of Americans believe the Apollo moon landings were faked

    (CNN) -- It captivated millions of people around the world for eight days in the summer of 1969. It brought glory to the embattled U.S. space program and inspired beliefs that anything was possible.


    Moon landing hoax theorists point to the "rippling" flag as evidence the landings were faked.

    1 of 2 It's arguably the greatest technological feat of the 20th century.

    And to some, it was all a lie.

    Forty years after Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin set foot on the moon, a small cult of conspiracy theorists maintains the historic event -- and the five subsequent Apollo moon landings -- were staged. These people believe NASA fabricated the landings to trump their Soviet rivals and fulfill President Kennedy's goal of ferrying humans safely to and from the moon by the end of the 1960s.

    "I do know the moon landings were faked," said crusading filmmaker Bart Sibrel, whose aggressive interview tactics once provoked Aldrin to punch him in the face. "I'd bet my life on it."

    Sibrel may seem crazy, but he has company. A 1999 Gallup poll found that a scant 6 percent of Americans doubted the Apollo 11 moon landing happened, and there is anecdotal evidence that the ranks of such conspiracy theorists, fueled by innuendo-filled documentaries and the Internet, are growing.

    Twenty-five percent of respondents to a survey in the British magazine Engineering & Technology said they do not believe humans landed on the moon. A handful of Web sites and blogs circulate suspicions about NASA's "hoax."

    And a Google search this week for "Apollo moon landing hoax" yielded more than 1.5 billion results.

    "We love conspiracies," said Roger Launius, a senior curator at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington. "Going to the moon is hard to understand. And it's easier for some people to accept the answer that, 'Well, maybe we didn't go to the moon.' A lot of it is naivete."

    Conspiracy theories about the Apollo missions began not long after the last astronaut returned from the moon in 1972. Bill Kaysing, a technical writer for Rocketdyne, which built rocket engines for NASA's Apollo program, published a 1974 book, "We Never Went to the Moon: America's Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle."

    In the book and elsewhere, Kaysing argued that NASA lacked the technology in 1969 to land humans safely on the moon, that the Apollo astronauts would have been poisoned by passing through the Van Allen radiation belts that ring the Earth and that NASA's photos from the moon contained suspicious anomalies. See improved NASA footage of the 1969 moonwalk »

    Kaysing theorized NASA sent the Apollo 11 astronauts up in a rocket until it was out of sight, then transferred the lunar capsule and its three passengers to a military cargo plane that dropped the capsule eight days later in the Pacific, where it was recovered. In the meantime, he believed, NASA officials filmed the "moon landing" at Area 51, the high-security military base in the Nevada desert, and brainwashed the astronauts to ensure their cooperation.

    Some believe Kaysing's theories inspired the 1978 movie "Capricorn One," in which NASA fakes a Mars landing on a remote military base, then goes to desperate lengths to cover it up. Others insist NASA recruited director Stanley Kubrick, hot off "2001: A Space Odyssey," to film the "faked" moon landings.

    Oh, and those moon rocks? Lunar meteorites from Antarctica.

    Decades later, Kaysing's beliefs formed the foundation for "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?" a sensational 2001 Fox TV documentary that spotted eerie "inconsistencies" in NASA's Apollo images and TV footage.

    Among them: no blast craters are visible under the landing modules; shadows intersect instead of running parallel, suggesting the presence of an unnatural light source; and a planted American flag appears to ripple in a breeze although there's no wind on the moon.

    The hour-long special sparked such interest in the topic that NASA took the unusual step of issuing a news release and posting a point-by-point rebuttal on its Web site. The press release began: "Yes. Astronauts did land on the moon."

    In various documents, NASA has countered that the Apollo astronauts passed through the Van Allen belts too quickly to be exposed to dangerous levels of radiation; that the module's descent engines weren't powerful enough to leave a blast crater; that the shadows in photos were distorted by wide-angle lenses and sloping lunar terrain; and that the Apollo flags had horizontal support bars that made the flags swing.

    Kaysing died in 2005, but not before grabbing the attention of Sibrel, a Nashville, Tennessee, filmmaker who has since become the most visible proponent of the Apollo hoax theories. With funding from an anonymous donor, Sibrel wrote and directed a 47-minute documentary in 2001 that reiterated many of the now-familiar hoax arguments.

    Critics of moon-landing hoax theorists, and there are many, say it would be impossible for tens of thousands of NASA employees and Apollo contractors to keep such a whopping secret for almost four decades.

    But Sibrel believes the Apollo program was so compartmentalized that only its astronauts and a handful of high-level NASA officials knew the entire story. Sibrel spent years ambushing Apollo astronauts and insisting they swear on a Bible before his cameras that they walked on the moon.

    "When someone has gotten away with a crime, in my opinion, they deserve to be ambushed," Sibrel said. "I'm a journalist trying to get at the truth."

    In an episode made infamous on YouTube, Sibrel confronted Aldrin in 2002 and called him "a coward, a liar and a thief." Aldrin, then 72, socked the thirtysomething Sibrel in the face, knocking him backwards.

    "I don't want to call attention to the individuals who are trying to promote and shuffle off this hoax on people," Aldrin told CNN in a recent interview. "I feel sorry for the gullible people who're going to go along with them. I guess it's just natural human reaction to want to be a part of 'knowing something that somebody doesn't know.' But it's misguided. It's just a shame."

    It's been 37 years since the last Apollo moon mission, and tens of millions of younger Americans have no memories of watching the moon landings live. A 2005-2006 poll by Mary Lynne Dittmar, a space consultant based in Houston, Texas, found that more than a quarter of Americans 18 to 25 expressed some doubt that humans set foot on the moon.

    "As the number of people who were not yet born at the time of the Apollo program increases, the number of questions [about the moon landings] also may increase," NASA said in a statement. "Conspiracy theories are always difficult to refute because of the impossibility of proving a negative."

    Launius, the National Air and Space Museum curator, believes Apollo conspiracy theories resonate with people who are disengaged from society and distrustful of government. He also believes their numbers are overblown.

    "These diehards are really vocal, but they're really tiny," he said.

    But Stuart Robbins, a Ph.D. candidate in astrophysics at the University of Colorado who gives lectures defending NASA from Apollo hoax theorists, believes their influence can be harmful.

    "If people don't think we were able to go to the moon, then they don't believe in the ingenuity of human achievement," he said. "Going to the moon and returning astronauts safely back to Earth is arguably one of the most profound achievements in human history, and so when people simply believe it was a hoax, they lose out on that shared experience and doubt what humans can do."

    In its information campaign against Apollo's "debunkers," NASA may have a potent ace up its sleeve, however. Its Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is now circling the moon with powerful cameras, snapping crisp pictures that could reveal Apollo 11's Eagle lander squatting on the moon's surface.


    Then again, conspiracy theorists may just say NASA doctored the photos.

    "Will the LRO's incredibly high-resolution images of the lunar surface, including, eventually, the Apollo landing sites, finally quell the lunacy of the Moon Hoax believers? Obviously it won't," writes astronomer Phil Plait in his blog on Discover magazine's Web site. "These true believers don't live in an evidence-based world."

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/0...oax/index.html
    Last edited by KanadaHye; 07-17-2009, 04:17 PM.
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      "These true believers don't live in an evidence-based world."
      I would argue the opposite is true. There is plenty of evidence that the whole thing was staged but non that it was real. It is funny they try to use the "based on evidence" explaination when the consept renders them cheats and liars.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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        The strange part is that the flag waves around as though the gravity is stronger on the moon.... then there is the other astronaut trying to keep it from waving around. I've never bothered looking at the videos and now that I've seen them, it just looks strange. Let's see if they can get back on the moon by 2020 like Bush promised. He wouldn't lie.
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          Re: NASA refurbishes video copies of moon landing

          Moon astronauts urge Mars mission

          Two of the astronauts who took part in the first Moon landing 40 years ago have called for renewed efforts to send a manned mission to Mars.

          At a rare public reunion of the Apollo 11 crew, Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins said Mars instead of the Moon should be the focus of exploration.

          Neil Armstrong, the first man on the Moon, said the race to get to the Moon had been the ultimate peaceful contest.

          He said it was an "exceptional national investment" for the US and ex-USSR.

          The trio spoke at an event at Washington DC's National Air and Space Museum to mark the 40th anniversary of their mission.

          Mr Armstrong told the audience: "It was the ultimate peaceful competition: USA vs USSR.

          "I'll not assert that it was a diversion which prevented a war, nevertheless it was a diversion.



          "Eventually, it provided a mechanism for engendering co-operation between former adversaries. In that sense, among others, it was an exceptional national investment for both sides."

          Fellow astronaut Mr Aldrin spoke of the inspiration provided by then-President John F Kennedy which led to the "betterment of America, and ultimately the ending of the Cold War".

          "Apollo 11 is a symbol of what a great nation and a great people can do if we work hard, work together and have strong leaders with vision and determination," he said.

          But he also pushed for a mission to Mars: "The best way to honour and remember all those who were part of the Apollo programme is to follow in our footsteps; to boldly go again on a new mission of exploration."

          Mr Collins, who circled the Moon alone while Mr Armstrong and Mr Aldrin walked on it, said Mars was more interesting than the Moon.

          "Sometimes I think I flew to the wrong place. Mars was always my favourite as a kid and it still is today."

          He urged further exploration, saying: "I worry that the current emphasis on returning to the Moon will cause us to become ensnared in a technological briar patch needlessly delaying for decades the exploration of Mars - a much more worthwhile destination."

          The US space agency's currently stated aim is to return astronauts to the Moon by 2020. But that vision is under review, along with the space vehicles that would get them there.

          Nasa is due to retire its space shuttles next year and replace them with the Orion spacecraft, an Apollo-like capsule that would launch on a new rocket called Ares 1.

          Another rocket, Ares V, would have the capability to launch heavy payloads - service and cargo modules - that would be needed to service Moon missions.

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8158519.stm

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          I'm sure the trip to Mars will cost tax payers 10 times as much... lol.
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            NASA assembles new rocket

            NASA has completed the assembly of its Ares I-X rocket, the first new launch system dedicated to manned spaceflight in a quarter of a century.

            An important step in the ambitious U.S. manned space program, the Ares I-X is the first version of a series of rockets set to carry the U.S. space agency's next-generation Orion spacecraft after the space shuttle fleet is retired in 2010.

            The Orion-Ares combination is not due to launch until 2015 at the earliest.

            However a report from the U.S. Human Space Flight Plans committee issued on Friday said federal budget cuts have made impossible the agency's current plans to land astronauts on the moon by 2020. The committee said the project's 10-year, $108 billion US budget has been shaved by $30 billion in the most recent federal budget, putting the moon mission plans in jeopardy.

            First test due in October
            The announcement of the milestone assembly, also on Friday, was strangely muted for NASA, with the news coming in a blog post on NASA's website and an announcement through the social messaging service Twitter.

            The 98-metre Ares rocket is standing in the vehicle assembly building at Kennedy Space Center.

            NASA has scheduled the first test flight of the Ares I-X rocket for late October. Before being launched, the rocket will be tested to ensure it can endure the strain of launch and ascent.

            On Monday NASA also launched a rocket carrying an inflatable landing technology for use in future missions.

            The mushroom-shaped Inflatable Re-entry Vehicle Experiment uses a lightweight inflatable shell to help provide a landing module add more drag as it enters the atmosphere of a planet like Mars.

            http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...cket-moon.html

            It took Kennedy a few years back in the 60's to land on the moon and bounce around. Why is it going to take such an inflated timetable to get back there? It was done years ago with much less knowledge, technology, experience, money...... but now its a 11 year dream again.... reinventing the wheel? Civil retardation? 30 billion shaved from the budget? Pfft... just print the money and burn it in space like how it's done for the wars.
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              Re: NASA refurbishes video copies of moon landing

              Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
              The strange part is that the flag waves around as though the gravity is stronger on the moon.... then there is the other astronaut trying to keep it from waving around. I've never bothered looking at the videos and now that I've seen them, it just looks strange. Let's see if they can get back on the moon by 2020 like Bush promised. He wouldn't lie.
              Anytime the flag flapped it was being touched and moved! Try this yourself... attach a piece of fabric to a horizontal pole and then move it around as you would if you were trying to force it into the ground and see if it does not wave.
              [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
              -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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                Also... take a look at this webpage where Phil Plait explains all the "proof" claimed by moon hoaxers.

                Here is the explanation of just the waving flag...

                Originally posted by Plait
                Bad: When the astronauts are assembling the American flag, the flag waves. Kaysing says this must have been from an errant breeze on the set. A flag wouldn't wave in a vacuum.

                Good: Of course a flag can wave in a vacuum. In the shot of the astronaut and the flag, the astronaut is rotating the pole on which the flag is mounted, trying to get it to stay up. The flag is mounted on one side on the pole, and along the top by another pole that sticks out to the side. In a vacuum or not, when you whip around the vertical pole, the flag will ``wave'', since it is attached at the top. The top will move first, then the cloth will follow along in a wave that moves down. This isn't air that is moving the flag, it's the cloth itself.

                New stuff added March 1, 2001: Many HBs show a picture of an astronaut standing to one side of the flag, which still has a ripple in it (for example, see this famous image). The astronaut is not touching the flag, so how can it wave?

                The answer is, it isn't waving. It looks like that because of the way the flag was deployed. The flag hangs from a horizontal rod which telescopes out from the vertical one. In Apollo 11, they couldn't get the rod to extend completely, so the flag didn't get stretched fully. It has a ripple in it, like a curtain that is not fully closed. In later flights, the astronauts didn't fully deploy it on purpose because they liked the way it looked. In other words, the flag looks like it is waving because the astronauts wanted it to look that way. Ironically, they did their job too well. It appears to have fooled a lot of people into thinking it waved.

                This explanation comes from NASA's wonderful spaceflight web page. For those of you who are conspiracy minded, of course, this doesn't help because it comes from a NASA site. But it does explain why the flag looks as it does, and you will be hard pressed to find a video of the flag waving. And if it was a mistake caused by a breeze on the set where they faked this whole thing, don't you think the director would have tried for a second take? With all the money going to the hoax, they could afford the film!

                Note added March 28, 2001: One more thing. Several readers have pointed out that if the flag is blowing in a breeze, why don't we see dust blowing around too? Somehow, the HBs' argument gets weaker the more you think about it.
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                  Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                  Anytime the flag flapped it was being touched and moved! Try this yourself... attach a piece of fabric to a horizontal pole and then move it around as you would if you were trying to force it into the ground and see if it does not wave.
                  Watch the video again... take a look at how the second astronaut is trying to keep it from waving. Remember, there is no air or wind drag in space. The moon doesn't have an atmosphere. Unless it was very heavy fabric, it should have been floating around and settling slowly.
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                    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                    Watch the video again... take a look at how the second astronaut is trying to keep it from waving. Remember, there is no air or wind drag in space. The moon doesn't have an atmosphere. Unless it was very heavy fabric, it should have been floating around and settling slowly.
                    You're wrong.
                    Watch and learn.
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