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    Re: Language heard in the womb influences a baby's cry?

    Originally posted by Siggie View Post
    Yes, it's unlearned. If you brush a finger against a baby's cheek, they will turn toward it and start sucking. It's called the "rooting reflex". Most (maybe all?) of these reflexes also disappear after a few months. ]
    Ultrasounds have shown babies sucking their thumbs in the womb and the reason why I don't think that rooting and sucking are exactly reflexes is because when a baby's needs are fulfilled, they voluntarily stop sucking. Reflexes are usually things that are involuntarily done. I think of a newborn like a mole that can't quite see and focus clearly so uses its senses to feel around (like rooting).


    Originally posted by Yedtarts View Post
    Now I learned why people suck so much
    It's an involuntary reflex... they can't help it
    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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      Re: Language heard in the womb influences a baby's cry?

      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
      Ultrasounds have shown babies sucking their thumbs in the womb and the reason why I don't think that rooting and sucking are exactly reflexes is because when a baby's needs are fulfilled, they voluntarily stop sucking. Reflexes are usually things that are involuntarily done. I think of a newborn like a mole that can't quite see and focus clearly so uses it's senses to feel around (like rooting).

      Even if you just fed a baby, if you put something in their mouth, they will suck. Thus, pacifiers.

      This just doesn't support learning of that kind with babies. What they can do is already impressive; especially after birth. They learn and grow sooooo quickly.
      The fact remains though that encoding of autobiographical memories doesn't occur. 1) The brain is very immature and the regions necessary for this are just developing 2) Language is key for encoding memories and we don't have language that young.

      Besides people who claim these kinds of memories of their birth or in the womb include visual information which is impossible. The eyes are closed in the womb, we can't see right after birth when they do open and can't see well until later.
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        Re: Language heard in the womb influences a baby's cry?

        Originally posted by Siggie View Post
        Even if you just fed a baby, if you put something in their mouth, they will suck. Thus, pacifiers.
        But if you feed them with a little cup, they will drink it like a putty cat. Some babies don't automatically suck... most likely ones that were separated from the mother. It might be a result of sucking in the fluid while in the womb and then being presented with something in their mouth which triggers the action.
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          Re: Language heard in the womb influences a baby's cry?

          Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
          But if you feed them with a little cup, they will drink it like a putty cat. Some babies don't automatically suck... most likely ones that were separated from the mother. It might be a result of sucking in the fluid while in the womb and then being presented with something in their mouth which triggers the action.
          I don't think they suck in fluid in the womb. I know ABGAR scores reflect the presence of some reflexes, but I think that's a reflection of the the babies health in a way like 'they're so unresponsive to stimuli, the reflexes aren't even being observed'. Other than that I don't think a healthy baby would not have the sucking reflex.

          Regardless though, how does this change whether we can have memories for our time in utero or shortly after birth?
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            Re: Language heard in the womb influences a baby's cry?

            Originally posted by Siggie View Post
            I don't think they suck in fluid in the womb. I know ABGAR scores reflect the presence of some reflexes, but I think that's a reflection of the the babies health in a way like 'they're so unresponsive to stimuli, the reflexes aren't even being observed'. Other than that I don't think a healthy baby would not have the sucking reflex.

            Regardless though, how does this change whether we can have memories for our time in utero or shortly after birth?
            There has to be an event to have a memory... not much goes on inside the womb..... but they might remember a light at the end of the tunnel
            "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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              Re: Language heard in the womb influences a baby's cry?

              Originally posted by kanadahye View Post
              there has to be an event to have a memory... Not much goes on inside the womb..... But they might remember a light at the end of the tunnel
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                Re: Language heard in the womb influences a baby's cry?

                Originally posted by Siggie View Post
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                He is silly isn't he Siggie?

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