Fake bomb detectors still in use

[KanadaHye]

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This has nothing to do with what I said.

You just claimed the US had nothing to do with Iraq being ruled under dictatorship. Obviously you don't know anything about the history in the region.

And if you think Iraqis were dumb... you obviously haven't met any of them. Baghdad had an excellent education system, and you didn't have to pay a dime to get educated.

[Muhaha]

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You just claimed the US had nothing to do with Iraq being ruled under dictatorship.

No I didn't. What exactly are you reading? I said Iraqis weren't doing anything Scientifically productive under Saddam's rule and the invasion has nothing to do with their inability to comprehend matters of Science.

Obviously you don't know anything about the history in the region.

Because anybody that disagrees with you is obviously not educated on the matter.

And if you think Iraqis were dumb... you obviously haven't met any of them. Baghdad had an excellent education system, and you didn't have to pay a dime to get educated.

Like I said, provide some details on what exactly the Iraqis were pioneering before the invasion.

[KanadaHye]

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lol at trying to say the U.S and other's are responsible for retarded Iraqis. Can anybody find anything that says Iraqis were doing anything Scientifically productive under Saddam's rule? What did they exactly pioneer before the evil Joos, Americans, Freemasons, and Shape Shifting Aliens came along and destroyed their glory?

Kindly read the US-Iraq history I posted in the the intellectual lounge.

No I didn't. What exactly are you reading? I said Iraqis weren't doing anything Scientifically productive under Saddam's rule and the invasion has nothing to do with their inability to comprehend matters of Science.

They weren't allowed to make chemical weapons and nuclear materials Scientifically productive yegher.

[Muhaha]

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Kindly read the US-Iraq history I posted in the the intellectual lounge.

You and Federate are the ones claiming Iraq prospered under Saddam's rule and that he was a saint compared to these new regimes and that he created an excellent education system for Iraqis. Not me.

You're not paying attention to what I'm saying. Your talking about and posting irrelevant information in some sort of silly attempt to look smart or win the argument. You're not the only one that knows how to read and learn history and the more you keep pretending your the only properly educated one in the debate, the more retarded you look. How long are you going to try to win arguments by making quirky and witty remarks, implying the one you disagree with is brainwashed and isn't informed, and is just a stupid and silly Westerner who doesn't know whats "really" going on?

They weren't allowed to make chemical weapons and nuclear materials Scientifically productive yegher.

It's a lot more respectable to admit your wrong than to dodge the question and reply with quirky remarks and smileys.

[Muhaha]

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In this episode of Friends, Joey bought the "V" Encyclopedia and read it all, so he brings up everything he's learned in that book even remotely related to the discussion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB4hJQRIQ1A

That's exactly what you do, you've learned a couple of things, and it's all you bring up whenever the conversation is headed towards that area. You can't stick to the exact discussion at hand but you can provide a mouthful on a related topic.

[Federate]

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You and Federate are the ones claiming Iraq prospered under Saddam's rule and that he was a saint compared to these new regimes and that he created an excellent education system for Iraqis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_...zation_program and on.

What ruined Saddam's Iraq was the Western-backed Iraqi invasion of Iran. What got him in even more crap was his decision to rebel against Western interests and attack Kuwait. On and where did I or Kanada claim he was a saint? His human rights track record is horrendous but prosperity was achieved under his rule.

On another note, perhaps we should move these historical/political discussions to Kanada's thread given that this is mostly supposed to be on science and the fake bomb detectors.

[KanadaHye]

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You and Federate are the ones claiming Iraq prospered under Saddam's rule and that he was a saint compared to these new regimes and that he created an excellent education system for Iraqis. Not me.

You're not paying attention to what I'm saying. Your talking about and posting irrelevant information in some sort of silly attempt to look smart or win the argument. You're not the only one that knows how to read and learn history and the more you keep pretending your the only properly educated one in the debate, the more retarded you look. How long are you going to try to win arguments by making quirky and witty remarks, implying the one you disagree with is brainwashed and isn't informed, and is just a stupid and silly Westerner who doesn't know whats "really" going on?

It's a lot more respectable to admit your wrong than to dodge the question and reply with quirky remarks and smileys.

If you know what's going on and you still have that attitude of "stupid Iraqis" then my next logical assessment of you is that you're just plain racist.

[Siggie]

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Why would I foot the bill? The bill is usually placed face down on the table and you pick it up and flip it over to see how much you have to pay.

It's an accounting term. The phrase is foot. People who don't know what it means have made a bastardized version of the expression.

Anyway, I think what Muhaha is talking about is more widespread embracing of science and critical thinking (which arguably, we lack in the US as well though to a lesser degree). He doesn't mean little projects here and there, but having a set of reasoning skills that you can apply to everything. Like, hmm... how the hell would a metal rod in a plastic tube be able to detect a bomb. Or gee, maybe we should do some controlled tests of this before we buy a big ol' bunch and rely on them to work thus risking a lot of people's lives.

[KanadaHye]

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It's an accounting term. The phrase is foot. People who don't know what it means have made a bastardized version of the expression.

I looked it up and oddly enough there is a whole argument about foot the bill vs. flip the bill <shrug>

Anyway, I think what Muhaha is talking about is more widespread embracing of science and critical thinking (which arguably, we lack in the US as well though to a lesser degree). He doesn't mean little projects here and there, but having a set of reasoning skills that you can apply to everything. Like, hmm... how the hell would a metal rod in a plastic tube be able to detect a bomb. Or gee, maybe we should do some controlled tests of this before we buy a big ol' bunch and rely on them to work thus risking a lot of people's lives.

First question is why would the U.S. military allow the Iraqis to import this device seeing that they are the ones training the Iraqi soldiers.

2) Why would the U.K. government also allow such a device to be exported and imported into Iraq.

3) If this story is true, then most likely those in higher power were hoping to use the devices as placebos in hopes of deterring anyone from entering a checkpoint with a bomb seeing that checking every car thoroughly was making hell for citizens.

4) There is noway in hell these devices were being used in the heavily fortified "green" zones that protect the corrupt...errrr important/elite people in the country.

[KanadaHye]

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Here is another article I found which sounds awfully similar to the one Siggie posted. Just imagine the kickbacks received from these transactions.

SEC: Bomb Detector—Bought by Military—Was Front for Scam
by Michael Grabell, ProPublica - July 17, 2008

Last year, while working at The Dallas Morning News, a colleague and I wrote a story about a purported explosives detection device called Sniffex. According to the company, Sniffex could detect explosives up to a football field away by reading the "interference between the magnetic field of the earth, the explosive, the device itself and the human body."



International Critics called it a sham. Yet one unit in the U.S. military bought the device -- eight for about $6,000 each -- even though the military’s own tests (PDF) said the Sniffex performed no better than random chance. (The testers concluded that the Sniffex operates according to the same principles as a Ouija board.)

Now, the Securities and Exchange Commission has accused Sniffex of being little more than the front for a $32 million stock fraud scheme that enriched insiders at the expense of unsuspecting investors.

According to the SEC complaint (PDF) filed Tuesday, Sniffex -- which later became Homeland Safety International -- installed a figurehead CEO, named Paul B. Johnson, to hide the involvement of two Bulgarian residents who actually controlled the company.

The company then issued a series of what the SEC alleges were false press releases, including one that touted “impressive” results from tests conducted by the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology. In reality, the tests were conducted by Johnson himself and the results were inconclusive, the SEC says.

The SEC’s complaint also alleges that in 2005 one of the Bulgarians coordinated a spam campaign to hype the stock, taking advantage of the London subway bombings to make his pitch.

The stock rocketed from 80 cents a share to $6 a share in less than three months. While the stock price increased, the insiders sold. The stock plummeted and now trades at one tenth of a penny.

The story on Sniffex was part of a series (see sidebar) The Dallas Morning News did on penny stocks and a group of lawyers, stock brokers and financiers whom the SEC suspects were sending out junk faxes and spam to manipulate the prices of several stocks. The SEC dubbed them the "shell creation group."

In a second complaint (PDF) filed earlier this week, the SEC alleges that the "shell creation group" made about $20 million by sending out junk faxes and spam on several penny stocks, including one e-mail (PDF) after Hurricane Katrina that read "Get Filthy Rich as the Recovery Begins."

Mark Lindberg (no surprise ), a businessman named in both the Sniffex and shell creation group complaints, was charged (PDF) Monday by federal prosecutors with conspiracy to commit securities fraud. (Neither Lindberg nor his lawyer returned calls for comment.)

We tried to reach the Bulgarian businessmen through their Web site [14], but the listed phone number was disconnected. No one we talked to had contact information for them or their lawyers. The attorney for Sniffex CEO Paul Johnson said his client didn’t make money from the stock sales and hasn’t done anything wrong. "From what we understand he was really a pawn in how this happened," said Kip Mendrygal, Johnson's attorney.

http://www.propublica.org/feature/se...t-for-scam-717