Drugs and Treatments in todays capitalist markets

[Haykakan]

Re: Drugs and Treatments in todays capitalist markets

Insurance companies are indeed the evile spawns of satan. For all your bashing of liberalism i am glad to see that you see some good in nationalized healthcare vs the privatized garbage in the USA.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Drugs and Treatments in todays capitalist markets

I bash liberals and conservatives alike. What one doesn't mess up, the other surely will. It's like a tag team match. Ideally, education for health care should be free to those with the brain power. Also, nursing is more of a vocation or calling, it's not just a 'job'. That would create more doctors and nurses and they wouldn't be over worked. That way you overlap 5-6 nurses working 8 hour shifts instead of 3 nurses working 10-12 hour shifts. That leaves more time for communication and less stress which would result in better thinking and less mistakes.

[Tali]

Re: Drugs and Treatments in todays capitalist markets

In addition to it being easier to just "temporarily fix" the symptoms, it's also less costly for everybody. Though it really sucks, it's undeniable that it is far easier to get grants from the government and other sponsors to fund your project if it's shorter than spending the years it'll take to find a cure -- when we really don't even know if there is one.

I'll take your example of asthma.

I have asthma too. I've had it since I was little. Asthma's earliest medicine was developed in order to combat that wheezing nuisance. It wasn't until the 90s that more was known about it - they discovered that inflammatino of our bronchioles is the instigator of our asthma attacks. No one can even conceive of a notion to cure it because no one has the slightest idea as to a possible "why" asthma exists. Not going to get funding to just fumble around and hope to land something.

Though, because of that, it's undeniable as well what you said - by privatizing, they're making money off of us being sick. On the other hand, there's nothing they can do about it. Hence the controversy of President Obama's healthcare plan in the US. Doctors will get paid a lot less because insurance wouldn't exist. That is a lot of jobs lost in itself, but who wants to become a doctor anymore, go through all those 8 years of education (college alone), and wind up getting paid roughly $20 an hour? a paramedic makes slightly more than that.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Drugs and Treatments in todays capitalist markets

Though, because of that, it's undeniable as well what you said - by privatizing, they're making money off of us being sick. On the other hand, there's nothing they can do about it. Hence the controversy of President Obama's healthcare plan in the US. Doctors will get paid a lot less because insurance wouldn't exist. That is a lot of jobs lost in itself, but who wants to become a doctor anymore, go through all those 8 years of education (college alone), and wind up getting paid roughly $20 an hour? a paramedic makes slightly more than that.

Welcome to Communism. Enjoy your stay. Capitalists love Communist countries and now that America is under their complete control, they don't have to cater to the people that allowed the spread of dictatorships and communist ideals.

[Haykakan]

Re: Drugs and Treatments in todays capitalist markets

They have cut the doctors share of the profits and added it to insurance companies. As for the reason why bronchioles get enflamed, it is not complicated to figure out. Like many other enflamation proccesses the reason is our bodies immune responce. In the case of asthma our immune system is responding to something it doesn't like in the lungs. Different things can cause this responce, things like allorgens or other foreighn debree-even stress. We know why it exists, but no one is looking for the cure and thousends are looking for a treating symptoms.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Drugs and Treatments in todays capitalist markets

They have cut the doctors share of the profits and added it to insurance companies. As for the reason why bronchioles get enflamed, it is not complicated to figure out. Like many other enflamation proccesses the reason is our bodies immune responce. In the case of asthma our immune system is responding to something it doesn't like in the lungs. Different things can cause this responce, things like allorgens or other foreighn debree-even stress. We know why it exists, but no one is looking for the cure and thousends are looking for a treating symptoms.

What's worse is they are giving inhalers to toddlers now due to coughs. At least when you're an adult you can understand if something is working or not but infants can't.

[Tali]

Re: Drugs and Treatments in todays capitalist markets

My bf's communist. I'm capitalist i suppose. that's what he tells me anyway

it doesn't explain why i got mine at age..6 and you got yours at age 30.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Drugs and Treatments in todays capitalist markets

My bf's communist. I'm capitalist i suppose. that's what he tells me anyway

it doesn't explain why i got mine at age..6 and you got yours at age 30.

I got mine at age 12 and it went away by 20. I pretty much just started exercising regularly and meditating whenever I had the urge to wheeze or cough. The steroid inhalers worked well during its onset.

[Tali]

Re: Drugs and Treatments in todays capitalist markets

i should've used quotes. my second comment was directed at Haykakan.

however, that's good to know. i'll try that sometime

[Haykakan]

Re: Drugs and Treatments in todays capitalist markets

That person i mentioned earlier who has cancer just got some bad news. It turns out modern medicine can do a detailed genetic analysis of the the cancer cells. This analysis reviels the nature of thee cancer (how quikly is it likely to progress, chances of beating it..). She was told that the type of luchemia she has gives her 10% chance of winning and that is if a proper bone merrow donner is found (which in her case is unlikely since hers is geneticaly rare type). I think this is a perfect example of what i have been saying about our medical system. The test they did on her can be done to anyone with this cancer so it generates revanue. Sixty years ago such a test was purely science fiction. My point is that look at the progress we made at testing and realize that it was made because it generated revanue. At the same time there is no progress at all for finding a cure during that same 60 year period. This is no isoated event, this is more the case thea the exception. If people are not going to be paid to find cures then hardly any will be found. Tali i am glad you brought up capitalist vs communist idea earlier and i will use the difference in systemic ideology to illustrate my point. We have all seen what the medical system is like under communism-whatever is profitable progresses while other things are neglected. Under communism profit is replaced by the greater societal good as the driving force behind research. The difference in motivation allowes medicine under communism to adress the root of the problem instead of dancing its way around it and making as much money possible off of it. Under capitalism the resources are put to use to generate profits not cures. I cant help but think that with all the revolutions going on in the world in the country that needs revolution the most people are quietly sitting at home watching tv while eating hotpockets then popping a pepcid (or any other treatment from a huge variety of choices) or two. Capitalism is like foreplay that never gets to the point.