Andranik Teymourian moves to Bolton Wanderers!

[Peyman]

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Armenian by religion?! are you people on crack.
if he calls himself iranian or persian or whatever the fukk he prefers over armenian then like i said you can all take his stupid self for all i care. and wtf is with all these turks and parsiks invading this place.

Invading!!!!!?
This is a forum on the www. It is free for everyone who wishes for a civil conversation to participate.

Back to the topic. Armenia is a country. People who are nationals of Armenia are called Armenian. In the same way, a person who is a national of Iran is Iranian. It has nothing to do with religion or any other dividing, racist factor you want to bring into it. Andranik Teymourian is an Iranian national, not Armenian. He doesn't have Armenian passport and citizenship. He and his ancestors have lived in Iran for many centuries. They are as Iranian as the moslem, kurd, turk, lor, etc. citizens of Iran.

Iran is a multi-ethnic, multi-racial country. It has always been like this and anyone who is born there will be Iranian. It doesn't matter whether he/she is Azeri, Lor, Parsi, Beluchi, Arab, Armenian, or Kurd. That's because IRAN is a collective name that includes all these ethnicities.

I hope this helps educate and open your mind a little

[TJ]

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Invading!!!!!?
This is a forum on the www. It is free for everyone who wishes for a civil conversation to participate.

Back to the topic. Armenia is a country. People who are nationals of Armenia are called Armenian. In the same way, a person who is a national of Iran is Iranian. It has nothing to do with religion or any other dividing, racist factor you want to bring into it. Andranik Teymourian is an Iranian national, not Armenian. He doesn't have Armenian passport and citizenship. He and his ancestors have lived in Iran for many centuries. They are as Iranian as the moslem, kurd, turk, lor, etc. citizens of Iran.

Iran is a multi-ethnic, multi-racial country. It has always been like this and anyone who is born there will be Iranian. It doesn't matter whether he/she is Azeri, Lor, Parsi, Beluchi, Arab, Armenian, or Kurd. That's because IRAN is a collective name that includes all these ethnicities.

I hope this helps educate and open your mind a little

ok thats great. you regard some paperwork to be what determines a man's nationality and i think its something more.

[ddd]

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Armenian by religion

[Peyman]

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ok thats great. you regard some paperwork to be what determines a man's nationality and i think its something more.

Well, perhaps you don't know the exact meaning of the word 'nationality'. A national of a country is a citizen of that country. If you are an American national, it doesn't matter what religion or colour you are. You are American. You can be a black American or a moslem but you are still an American national.
A piece of paper is not the only thing and that's not the only criteria I mentioned. Perhaps you didn't read my post in full and only comment on the passport bit.

There is a reason why Teymourian has an Iranian passport. He was born and raised in Iran and he feels strongly patriotic for Iran, just like all other Armenian-Iranians and like the ones I have known he lives and dies for Iran like the rest of us.

So, to answer your comment yes, how you feel inside is far more imprtant than a piece of paper

D3ADSY:

Thanks, I know what you are trying to say.

[ddd]

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So, to answer your comment yes, how you feel inside is far more imprtant than a piece of paper

That's true. But you can't change the fact that he's Armenian...by religion.

[TJ]

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That's true. But you can't change the fact that he's Armenian...by religion.

just when i thought there were no sane people left here, you came along. apres

[ARK]

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Well, perhaps you don't know the exact meaning of the word 'nationality'. A national of a country is a citizen of that country. If you are an American national, it doesn't matter what religion or colour you are. You are American. You can be a black American or a moslem but you are still an American national.
A piece of paper is not the only thing and that's not the only criteria I mentioned. Perhaps you didn't read my post in full and only comment on the passport bit.

There is a reason why Teymourian has an Iranian passport. He was born and raised in Iran and he feels strongly patriotic for Iran, just like all other Armenian-Iranians and like the ones I have known he lives and dies for Iran like the rest of us.

So, to answer your comment yes, how you feel inside is far more imprtant than a piece of paper

D3ADSY:

Thanks, I know what you are trying to say.

Peyman, don’t care a lot what tigranjamahiryan said but care a little about(Armenian by religion!!!!!!).I ‘d like to give u some info on armenians (and those of Iran) . Armenian is not a religion it is the ethnicity of people (the race not religion, this is the mistake most Iranians make they cant tell apart an Armenian from Christian which is their religion ) let’s say this way : Armenian-persian (races)/Christian-muslim(their religion).hope u got it. U should not say Armenian by religion but by ethnicity or decent.
Most of Iranians Armenians came to iran not 2000 years ago but 400 years ago by Shah abbas(and some in 1915 armeneian genocide) to teach Iranians different things (jobs). Andranik is Armenian by ethnicity and Iranian by papers,I agree with u but u should never compare Armenians of iran(a small minority with a different religion and a completely different culture) to azeris or kurds, what makes Iranian armneians different from other ethnic groups in iran is that everywhere they speak Armenian.Does that tell u something? But I see nothing wrong at all, if an Armenian plays for Iranian national team(as u mentioned some others have done). Good luck to him wherever he is! Iranaian and armenian we r all proud of him are’nt we?

[ARK]

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Armenian by religion?! are you people on crack.
if he calls himself iranian or persian or whatever the fukk he prefers over armenian then like i said you can all take his stupid self for all i care. and wtf is with all these turks and parsiks invading this place.

U’d better use some proper words to answer. If andranik calls him Iranian ,he was born in iran (even his great-grand parents were born in iran) , he has been able to achieve all this by playing in an Iranian team first and then the Iranian national team(the latter made him famous worldwide)(not forgetting Arart of course) if he had waited for a possible invitation from the Armenian national team, he could have never had the opportunity to play in the world cup and the consequenceno fame, no world cup no bolton, no proud for Armenian community of Iran ). Try to be more rational instead of attacking people with improper words, just put yourself in the shoes of an Iranian Armenian, if he had gone to Armenia, a bad atmosphere would be created against armeneian community in iran, hope u got it. And finally to calm everyone down, in an interview , asked about his feelings to be selected for the world cup, he said:I hope I’ll be a proper representative of Armenian community in Iranian national team.and I’m proud as an Armenian to play in the world cup.(I translated his exact words)

Armenian by religion is a mistake that unfortunately most iranians make.

[Peyman]

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Ark,
Thanks for a asensible response. I am fully aware that Armenians are Christians. I have known enough of them to kow that; for god's sake we lived in an area of Tehran that had a church for Armenians. That's how I had so many Armenian friends. And I know they speak their own language too and they are proud of it. As you say, it is a common error to think Armenian is a religion, which i think comes from a lazy association of the two. It was my mistake by saying it and it wasn't because I don't know the difference. I should of course have used the word 'ethnicity' which I used further down.

Anyhow, when I think of Iranian-Armenians, I always remember my childhood and friends I used to play football and go to stadium with in Tehran. Believe me, it never crossed my mind that they are any less Iranian just because they are not moslems. They are looked upon by all Iranians just as much Iranian as everybody else in Iran, they serve their national service and many of them died for Iran in the war with Iraq.
And most Iranian-Armenians have very strong feeling for their place of birth and memories.

Question: Can an Armenian who is not born and raised in Armenia go there and become Armenian national immediately? This is what I don't understand. In other parts of the world you can't just go to a country and claim its citizenship and nationality. Different countries have laws that require you to have to live and work in that country a few years before they give you citizenship. Can an Armenian born and raised in Iran or anywhere else go Armenia and become an Armenian national based on ethnicity?
Thanks.

[ARK]

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Ark,
Thanks for a asensible response. I am fully aware that Armenians are Christians. I have known enough of them to kow that; for god's sake we lived in an area of Tehran that had a church for Armenians. That's how I had so many Armenian friends. And I know they speak their own language too and they are proud of it. As you say, it is a common error to think Armenian is a religion, which i think comes from a lazy association of the two. It was my mistake by saying it and it wasn't because I don't know the difference. I should of course have used the word 'ethnicity' which I used further down.

Anyhow, when I think of Iranian-Armenians, I always remember my childhood and friends I used to play football and go to stadium with in Tehran. Believe me, it never crossed my mind that they are any less Iranian just because they are not moslems. They are looked upon by all Iranians just as much Iranian as everybody else in Iran, they serve their national service and many of them died for Iran in the war with Iraq.
And most Iranian-Armenians have very strong feeling for their place of birth and memories.

Question: Can an Armenian who is not born and raised in Armenia go there and become Armenian national immediately? This is what I don't understand. In other parts of the world you can't just go to a country and claim its citizenship and nationality. Different countries have laws that require you to have to live and work in that country a few years before they give you citizenship. Can an Armenian born and raised in Iran or anywhere else go Armenia and become an Armenian national based on ethnicity?
Thanks.

For armenians, it is different (actually the law has changed in recent years), according to the new laws, the armenian government gives a possibility to everyone of Armenian descent(around the world, regardless of the nationality) to get a 10 year Armenian passport to travel to Armenia , with no need to obtain a visa. That’s why Armenians of Iran can get the passport and a lot of them showed great interest in the issue(many of Iranian Armenians, as u might know, travel to Armenia several times a year, so it’s worth having an Armenian passport). But I have to mention that this is not a permenant one in order to get a full citizenship u should be living there for some years.

If u would like to answer, which area did u live in?