Suggestion from Hellektor

[Siggie]

Copied from Eurovision thread...

Dear mods,

In the past, many a thread has been removed because a number of users started to get personal. Given the time I put in typing my long posts, I constantly come across a decrease of my post count by 20 or 30 when a thread like this disappears because some users start getting personal.

If you are trying to clean up a thread from personal abuse, please don't delete or close the whole thread and just address the users/posts with personal abuse.

Thanks in advance

You should have contacted us rather than posting in this in a thread and hoping we find it.
Threads sometimes need to be closed (and that doesn't affect your post count or whether you can read it), but certainly if it's an issue of deleting we do try to salvage what we can of a thread rather than deleting it. Now, if you post something that breaks the rules, then we cannot always go through and edit your post to remove that content.

On a related note, you're complaining about these other users getting personal, etc., however a couple posts up, you insult KanadaHye by asking him if he's a Turk. Clearly, you know that an Armenian would find that insulting or you would not have said it. That is itself a violation of the rules. Now if insults like that were buried throughout your post, the moderators can't be expected to spend the kind of time it takes to edit out all the offending parts.

Do NOT reply to this post here... I am making a copy of your request and reply in the Support Section and you can reply there.

Any replies should go here.

[Hellektor]

Re: Suggestion from Hellektor

On a related note, you're complaining about these other users getting personal, etc., however a couple posts up, you insult KanadaHye by asking him if he's a Turk.

Dear Siggie,

I posted this in the relevant thread as well, I thought it was necessary for explaining to those users who might not want to come here and might misjudge me for what you said about my remark to KanadaHye.

Just read the posts between me and KanadaHye from the beginning to know why I asked him that, while I very well know calling an Armenian Turk is an insult. I ASKED him if he was (didn't call him), given his constant circumventing the issue and insisting that fake “Azerbaijan's” free and malicious translation of the term Azarbaijan into “Land of Fire” was totally OK, while he called my explanations with ample historical facts nothing but Armenian propaganda (strange coming from an Armenian, don't you think? Even more so coming from one with Hye in their nick) and accused me of “Claiming Azarbaijan means "Land of Atropat" and not "land of fire" for political purposes [thus] misleading”.

I didn't report the abuse to get users banned. If I were a mod, I wouldn't ban anyone which would make me a “bad” mod. I only wanted to kindly ask you not to delete the whole thread. I did this, because this has happened in the past many a time and at least a hundred posts of mine, many of them long and entirely typed, have been lost. No problems with KanadaHye though. Our discussion did not cross the red lines IMHO and was in the limits of civilized yet heated debates.

Please unban the banned since I don't want them to get banned because of my report which was only in fear of the deletion of the thread.

Thanks in advance

[Siggie]

Re: Suggestion from Hellektor

You asked him that because you disagreed with him. Why and what you disagreed about is irrelevant. To say something in the form of a question doesn't make a big difference. It's like you're a moron vs. What are you, a moron? See what I mean?

Anyway, I was merely pointing out that that can be seen as an insult as well.

Lastly, people get banned for violating the rules, not by member request. In any case, this instance had nothing to do with what you posted anyhow

[Hellektor]

Re: Suggestion from Hellektor

I have a suggestion/question though, I have said this elsewhere so I copy/paste the last instance:

“Last year I posted a research I had done after a year and a half of hard work on several Armenian boards. It's called And the Fraud Had a Name. Azarbaijan: the Real, the Fake and the Absurd.

The link above will take you to the first page of this thingy...[which] includes 32 pics, many of them tables and maps I made myself, all of this along with hundreds of other pics I had posted to the photo album of armeniangenocide.com when this board had not been merged with HyeClub.

The sad thing that's happened is that the photo album's gone without warning. I've mentioned this a couple of times with no response from the admin and what's worse, the links function as popup launchers every time you go to those pages, really annoying. I wish some user would offer a couple of megs of space where I could upload the pics and later edit the image URLs...”

Is there a way to bring back the photo album? even if no further possibility to post pics it would also be OK.

[Siggie]

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I will ask Nimda about that, but I doubt he would be able to recover them.

You can use photobucket.com to host your own photos for free.

[Hellektor]

Re: Suggestion from Hellektor

You asked him that because you disagreed with him.

I didn't ask that because I disagreed. I brought historic facts that proved Azarbaijan means “called after Atropat” and he said my explanation was “Armenian propaganda” and that I should accept the fabricated term “Land of Fire” unquestionably as the meaning of Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan).

Why and what you disagreed about is irrelevant ...It's like you're a moron

The context is relevant, it has nothing to do with my being a moron or not. My suspicion (right or wrong) is thus justified and has nothing to do with disagreement.

[Hellektor]

Re: Suggestion from Hellektor

I will ask Nimda about that, but I doubt he would be able to recover them.

You can use photobucket.com to host your own photos for free.

photobucket, imageshack, flickr, etc., are all filtered in Iran.

[Siggie]

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I didn't call you a moron... I was giving an example!

What I am saying is that independent of why you are disagreeing with someone and the subject of that disagreement, calling a fellow Armenian who you know is Armenian, a Turk (question form or not) is insulting. You can disagree with that and while we certainly consider others' opinions, it's the staff members who are the arbiters of what is insulting and what is in violation of the rules.

[Hellektor]

Re: Suggestion from Hellektor

I didn't call you a moron... I was giving an example!

What I am saying is that independent of why you are disagreeing with someone and the subject of that disagreement, calling a fellow Armenian who you know is Armenian, a Turk (question form or not) is insulting. You can disagree with that and while we certainly consider others' opinions, it's the staff members who are the arbiters of what is insulting and what is in violation of the rules.

Dear, this doesn't get through.

Siggie, I am not a hypocrite. At least this is my belief of myself, though I say it myself. I really doubted, really had the suspicion he might be a Turk, because and please take note: he accused me of claiming Azarbaijan means “Land of Atropat” (I don't claim that's what it means) and not “land of fire” for political purposes thus misleading. I.e. with bringing historical facts I was misleading people and that I should unquestionably accept the mid 20th century fabrications of “Azeris” as absolute truth.

He also called my bringing of historic facts Armenian propaganda. This gives rise to suspecting that the accuser is a Turk, and no, I do not know him, how can I know him from behind the PC monitor? A Hye in someone’s nick doesn't necessarily make them Hye either, not that this should apply to the user in question.

I do all this explanation to reassure you my calling him a Turk was not out of spite, anger, disagreement or what not. Your not believing me is hurting me but what can I do. I honestly doubted he was not Armenian, he gave me enough reasons.

[Siggie]

Re: Suggestion from Hellektor

Okay, I understand. I misunderstood; I thought you knew he wasn't.