Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

[SevSpitak]

The "Armans"

Böyük Ermənistanın əhalisi olan ermənilər-ərmənlər və ya armanlar qədim türk tayfalarıdırlar. İndiki ermənilər o dövrdə "hay"lar adlanırdı və bu əraziyə daha sonrakı tarixi dövrlərdə Şimali Fərat hövzəsindən gəlmişdilər. Sonradan elə gəldikləri bu dövlətin adi ilə də adlanmağa başladılar.
-Əziz Ələkbərli - Qədim Türk oğuz yurdu-Ermənistan
http://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Böyük_Ermənistan

Translation:
The population of Greater Armenia, the Armeni/Ərməni, or Armans, were ancient Turkic tribes. The present-day Armenians at that period were called "Hays" and settled in this region at a later time in history from the North of the Euphrates river. Later, these people adopted the name of the kingdom.
(referenced from Aziz Alakbarli - Ancient Oghuz Turkish Land-Armenia)

How to Debunk:
There is no need to debunk. This is the most absurd thing I have ever read in my life, and I'm not even joking.

[SevSpitak]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

Tigran II, the First and Last King of Greater Armenia
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Təxminən e.ə. I əsrin 50 - ci illərində Böyük Ermənistan dövlətinin yaradıcısı - ilk və son kralı II Tiqran Albaniya ərazisinə yürüş edərək Albaniyanın Artsak, Uti və Paytakaran vilayətlərini tutumuş, e.ə. 66 - cı ildə II Tiqran Pompey tərəfindən məğlub edilənə kimi həmin üç vilayət Böyük Ermənistanın tərkibində olmuşdur.
http://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qafqaz_Albaniyası

Translation:
Approximately 50 BC, the founder of Greater Armenia - its first and last king Tigran II, marched on the territory of Albania, and conquered Albania's Artsak, Uti and Paytakaran provinces. In 66 BC, Tigran II was defeated by Pompey, but the territories Tigran II conquered remained within the territory of Armenia.


How to Debunk:
Tigran II didn't found Greater Armenia. Nor was he its first king (hence the II in his name!). That map is not Tigran's kingdom. Tigran II extended Greater Armenia (which already included Artsakh, Utik and Paytakaran to begin with) and conquered lands from Cappadocia, Syria, Judea, Cilicia, Assyria, Atropatene, Iberia and Albania. At that time, Albania had never reached the west side of the Kura river. Tigran's reign didn't last 16 years, it lasted about 4-5 decades, anyway, the dates are all fictional here so there's no point talking about dat-- no WAIT, am I seeing things clearly??? How can Tigran II found the empire in 50 BC and get defeated in 66 BC? Did he travel back into time to get defeated???

[SevSpitak]

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Artsakh's Etymology is Turkic

Söz qədim türk sözüdür. Etimologiyası "Ar" əski türkçədə işlədilən bir kəlmədir ki, indi də Azərbaycan türkçəsi ilə yanaşı digər türk dillərində də "ər" formasında işlədilməkdədir. Sak isə qədim türk mənşəli tayfadır və bu tayfanın bir qolunun Azərbaycanda yaşadığı tarixdən məlumdur. Beləliklə, "Arsak" əski türkcədə ər saklarin vətəni anlamındadır. Hazırda erməni tarixçiləri qədim yunan dili vasitəsi ilə toponimi izah etməyə çalişsalar da, burada tarix boyu yunan mənşəli tayfaların yaşamadığı məlumdur və onların irəli sürdüyü fikir tamamilə yanlışdır.
http://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artsak

Translation:
The word [Artsak] is an ancient Turkic word. "Ar" is an old Turkic word used in modern Turkic languages including Azerbaijani, its modern equivalent being "ər". "Sak" is an ancient Turkic people who's known to have lived in Azerbaijan. Thus, "Arsak" means "the native land of the Ər Saks" in ancient Turkic. Even if modern-day Armenian historians try to prove the etymology of the toponym through the ancient Greek language, it is known that ancient Greek tribes never lived in these lands in history, thus the ideas they put forward are completely invalid.

How to Debunk:
........ Do I need to bother? Let me first mention this: The first people known as "Turks" were the Göktürks, who dominated central China in the 6th century AD. There is very little reference to ANY Turkic words, or people, prior to this date. Armenia existed 1000 years before, and Albania 800. Greek tribes? Please there is no historian in the world trying to prove anything through Greeks. All historians know Artsakh was part of Armenia (Strabo) to begin with. Artsakh's name dates long before the discovery of Turks.

[SevSpitak]

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The Armenian Variant of the Name of Albania (Aghvank) Comes from Turkic

Erməni müəllifi M. Çamçyan Ağvan sözünü qədim erməni dilində (qrabar) "ağu" xoşxasiyyət, mehriban sözündən törədiyini və "Mehriban insanlar ölkəsi" anlamına gəldiyini qeyd etmişdir[10]. Lakin Q. Qeybullayev qeyd edir ki, "ağu" sözü qədim erməni dilinə qədim türk dilindən keçmişdir və bu söz hazırda da bir çox türk xalqlarının dilində işlənməkdədir
http://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qafqaz_Albaniyası

Translation:
Armenian professor M. Chamchyan says that the Aghvan comes from the ancient Armenian language (grabar) word "aghu" meaning "good," referring to the Albanians as "the friendly people." However, Q. Qeybullayev [an Azerbaijani] notes that the word "aghu" was a loan word in the ancient Armenian language from ancient turkic, and it is used at present by many turkic peoples.

How to Debunk:
Once again, there is no record of a Turkic people before the 6th century AD, especially not for a name in the Caucasus that appeared in the 4th century BC. Second, the etymology of Albania is unknown, but most linguists will attribute it to the latin definition of the name, meaning "Mountainous Land." The Armenian version is most probably folk story, and either way, the word "Aghvank" was pronounced differently because Ancient Armenians pronounced the "gh" letter differently. Funny how these people never explain what those "turkic words" actually mean. At least Chamchyan's analysis was based on some reasoning, since the word "aghu" actually means something. Was the "gh" in the "turkic word" "aghu" also pronounced differently? What does Aghu (Ağu) mean in turkish? It doesn't exist in Azerbaijani (from what I've been able to check), and it means "hemlock" (a poisonous plant) in Turkish. Can we please get an explanation why this plant would be used as a name for a kingdom?

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

Sheer stupidity is what azeri wikipedia is. There just trying to convince themselves since no one but azeris will read that bs.

[SevSpitak]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

Sheer stupidity is what azeri wikipedia is. There just trying to convince themselves since no one but azeris will read that bs.

There's so much more... it's just insane. I wonder how Azerbaijanis who learn english feel whenever they look at English/International Wikipedia? They must feel crushed to realize that their convictions are not worth more than the story of Humpty Dumpty.

[Sip]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

Even youtube video comments have more information content that "Azeri Wikipedia"

[SevSpitak]

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And Another Great Stupidity of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

Just look at the map. It's self-explanatory.

http://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ermənistan

Iranian Azerbaijanis must be active in the Azerbaijani Wikipedia (they have A LOT of work to do to dispel Aliyev's idiocies). Aliyev's Azeris are smearing their name by doing inappropriate, childish things like this.

[SevSpitak]

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Name Changes
from here
Apparently, Azerbaijani Wikipedia believes that Armenians have committed a crime by changing ancient Azerbaijani names (have they seen Turkey's name changes? -- namely, Tunceli, "Ak"damar, Ankara, Eastern Anatolia, Southeastern Anatolia, Agri, etc.). However, most of these name changes have better explanations:

Əsil adı -> Dəyişdirilmiş adı
(Real Name) -> (Changed Name)

*in brackets are my refutations

İrəvan -> Yerevan
(this is simply a difference in pronunciation, not a name change, of Erebuni, the Urartian city. Plus, Iravan is a name Persians used, and Turks adopted. It's not an Azerbaijani/Turkic name in any sense whatsoever.)

Sərdərabad -> Hoktemberyan
(true it's been changed, but the original Sardarabad derives from Sardari Berd [Sardari = Loaned from Persian in Armenian with Armenian suffix "i" like in english " 's" -- "Sardar's"][ Berd = Armenian word for "built by"])

Kəvər -> Kamo
(dunno much about this, but according to Wikipedia, the former name was Gadzhi Nazar not Kavar. Gavar/Kavar is in Gegharkunik).

Gümrü -> Leninakan
(in case they don't know, this name was changed in a similar fashion Ganja was changed to Elizavetpol, and is today officially renamed its original name, Gyumri/Gümrü).

Qarakilsə -> Kirovakan
(The name is Vanadzor.... plus the former name Karakilise refers to an Armenian church, and it's itself a relatively new name, in the sense that the city was founded long before the Turks entered the region)

Cəlaloğlu -> Stepanavan
(Like Vanadzor/Kirovakan, it's a Turkic name, but the city was the capital of the Kingdom of Lori, and was inhabited long before the arrival of Turks, therefore, it's itself a renamed name.)

Hamamlı -> Spitak
(I have no explanation for this one. Maybe someone can fill in)

Üçkilsə -> Eçmiadzin
(Prior to "Üçkilise" -- which is related to "Eçmiadzin" -- the city was called Vagharshapat (or a variant of it). Armenia renamed the city to its initial, ancient, original name. If anyone changed the name, it's the Arabs or Turks, and the "fake" name is Üçkilise/Echmiadzin)

With only a little bit of knowledge on this subject, you can easily see how poorly researched and absurd their claims are. As we can see, none of the names are of Azerbaijani origin, and those that are of Turkic origin, are themselves names that have replaced other, former, indigenous names.

[Federate]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

I love this thread Keep it coming. Just give us links to the pages too, such as the above post.

As long as they keep these things within their borders and do not attempt such stuff on the English Wikipedia, they are only hurting themselves. Looks like the average Azeri would fail a 7th grade geography exam.