Whats wrong with non-pure armenians?

[!EEK]

Well, I registered 1 day ago because I wanted to meet/chat with other Armenians. Everything is fine, you guys are funny, talkative (even too much sometimes :p), etc..

There's one thing I'd like to know: Are you always that hostile towards half armenians? I mean especially with the thread "Interacial Relationship", everyone seems to be in favor of only a 100% armenian marriage and I'm feeling uncomfortable towards this way of thinking. Last night, on the chat, there was this 16 yo armenian girl who started to talk with me, everything was fine untill she asked me: "are you armenian?" . I replied "Yes half armenian" and then, no response. How would you react? I would say I'm more accepted in the Belgian community, even tough I don't have a single drop of belgian blood than in the Armenian one.

Whats wrong with having one of the parent non armenian? In fact, I think it's like a bonus. For instance when my Father married my mother, he went with her in africa and thought her armenian, the culture and everything WHILE Armenian terrorist where placing bombs in France to make the state recognize the genocide.

In the end, my mother speaks perfectly armenian, and well....learnt all about the community...hell...! She is right now in armenia with my dad!

Are you really all in favor of pure armenian marriage and neglect the other "lesser" armenians? Am I the only one whose not at 100% Armenian? I doubt it

[Anonymouse]

Dude, why are you whining? Nothing is wrong with "non pure Armenians". Stop bytching and making threads about this, especially in the wrong forum. You should read the rules before posting.

[!EEK]

Well it's in general talk and I just wanted to know because I have never seen any culture being so protective towards their heirloom

[MadHandle]

I don't really see anything wrong with it...your half, then your half. Actually I think half Armenian girls are a good mix...usually.

[!EEK]

Oh someone on side...even though I'm not a girl if that were you main reason for picking my side...

[Anonymouse]

Well it's in general talk and I just wanted to know because I have never seen any culture being so protective towards their heirloom

Every culture is protective. All mixtures throughout history have been in degrees, and not in kinds. Those that have mixed in kinds do not really exist anymore.

[!EEK]

Some cultures are more open than others, some other are more addaptive....it's not a specification, it's just the way they see their future

[Anonymouse]

Some cultures are more open than others, some other are more addaptive....it's not a specification, it's just the way they see their future

All cultures are "adaptive", per se. What is your point?

[!EEK]

no not all...at least some of them are more than others...

anyway my point is good night i have school tomorrow!

[MadHandle]

Oh and by the way...I think that Armenian chat thing is pretty wack on its own. They got some weird conversations going on. Anyone ever go on it?

[!EEK]

I went once and it was chaotic..people tryed to be nice but because of some spamming I didn't remained attentive and I quited. Forums are much more efficiant!

[garegin]

Every culture is protective. All mixtures throughout history have been in degrees, and not in kinds. Those that have mixed in kinds do not really exist anymore.
mixing spells the beginning of end for the civilization. countries like america do not have national identities. they are about values. if america falls, they wont be new american nations. countries with strong cultural traits survive revolutions.

[marikal]

I'm half-armo and I think if anything it's more of a benefit than a hinderance. I don't really have the Armenian nose, that's a plus. And I don't look less Armenian than a full one, although lots of people do think I'm Hispanic or Middle Eastern. I know it's about more than just physical appearance, but of all my full Armenian cousins I'm the most involved in and educated on the culture because I've had more interest in pursuing it than them.
I guess the reason I don't see mixing as big deal is because I've grown up so completely American. The U.S. is in its own little world and I, fortunately/unfortunately was born into it.

[HyeJinx1984]

Many members of my family are half Armenians.,.. it all depends on what you identify yourself as. For example, I have member sof my family who are 50% xxxish, some Persian and others Assyrian. Some of them decide to be very proud as Armenians and I give them full respect. Some decide to ignore their Armenian side and embrace their Odar half.. them I don't show respect for.

[Thai-Samurai]

the first post is a good point. And by the way I didn't know armenians put bombs in France to recognize the genocide i wanna know more about that cuz it doesnt seem like somehting armenians should be doing, (start a new thread about that if u have info) But I think it's ok for Armenians to be half. no big deal, personally sometimes i wish i'd meet some bomb Armenian chick who's actually half japanese. Girls who act their culture are hot.

[XxgoeyxX]

the first post is a good point. And by the way I didn't know armenians put bombs in France to recognize the genocide i wanna know more about that cuz it doesnt seem like somehting armenians should be doing, (start a new thread about that if u have info) But I think it's ok for Armenians to be half. no big deal, personally sometimes i wish i'd meet some bomb Armenian chick who's actually half japanese. Girls who act their culture are hot.

I have a friend who is half asian. I see you have a thing for them..from reading other threads.

Goal of the week: Hook Thai-Samurai with a cute Armenian/Asian Chicka!

[Anushik]

Well it's in general talk and I just wanted to know because I have never seen any culture being so protective towards their heirloom
If we hadn't been protective, we wouldn't exist now... Armenia is in between 3 Muslim and 1 Christian (almost the same as Muslim) countries, and I guess you know our History... We are protective because we know that we are small nation and we will survive if we always be together... this is why Armenians are protective, and I respect that protectiveness... but I don't see any point, why half-Armenians have problems... you are also Armenian, and if one girl didn't reply because you are half-Armenian, it doesn't mean that everyone thinks like that... you say, “I'm half-Armenian"... why don't you say "I'm Armenian"... ?

[Thai-Samurai]

are there armenian/asians? that would be a trip.

[!EEK]

you may be right (again :o ) but I don't want to neglect my other origine..hard job :) . Well I've got an armenian name too, but I'm not dark of skin, people confond me with some Nordic origine guy (sweden, danemark)...well my name is Vartan. By the way how do you pronouce it in english? I have to think for 2 secs before saying it...


** In reply to Thai-Samurai**

Anyway for the armenian puting bombs in france, it's a true story but they were very few and ended up just after Chirac recognized the genocide. It's not a good way to demand something.... but it worked :evil: :evil:
I must say I never searched this on google because I expect to have alot of things related to the middle east by writing "Terrorist"

[XxgoeyxX]

you may be right (again :o ) but I don't want to neglect my other origine..hard job :) . Well I've got an armenian name too, but I'm not dark of skin, people confond me with some Nordic origine guy (sweden, danemark)...well my name is Vartan. By the way how do you pronouce it in english? I have to think for 2 secs before saying it...

Thats what some of us mean jan. See you cant neglect your other origin. Nor can other Armenians and half Armenian. As you marry out of race again, your children become less Armenian. They lose that culture because they need to respect and up hold the other ones. There is nothing wrong with marring an odar..if you belive it is not wrong. It is your life and your choices. People always think that I want Armenians to only marry Armenians. In many ways thats true but thats NOT my point. Just like in your other thread...I mentioned...Humans are clearly free to decide, but they are also held accountable for their actions by a moral law of cause and effect. And that effect is...that Armenians are dieing out.

[Anushik]

you may be right (again :o ) but I don't want to neglect my other origine..hard job :) . Well I've got an armenian name too, but I'm not dark of skin, people confond me with some Nordic origine guy (sweden, danemark)...well my name is Vartan. By the way how do you pronouce it in english? I have to think for 2 secs before saying it...
I guess this was a reply for my massage :)... I don't say that you should neglect your other origin... it's how you feel :)... by the way, who told you that Armenians have dark skin.... maybe now, but it's because we had mixed with Turks and Persians... Armenians originally had blue ayes and white skin... I don't have dark skin too but I’m pure Armenian ... :)
I have friend whose name is Vardan, and he is in US, formal- everyone calls him Vardan, but his friends calls him Dan, or Vrto… :) :) :)

[CatWoman]

There is nothing wrong with half-armenians, besides it's not like they chose to be half, it was their parents. I think as long as they consider themselves Armenian and know about their people and history and can speak or at least understand the language its good enough.

[MadHandle]

I guess this was a reply for my massage :)... I don't say that you should neglect your other origin... it's how you feel :)... by the way, who told you that Armenians have dark skin.... maybe now, but it's because we had mixed with Turks and Persians... Armenians originally had blue ayes and white skin... I don't have dark skin too but I’m pure Armenian ... :)
I have friend whose name is Vardan, and he is in US, formal- everyone calls him Vardan, but his friends calls him Dan, or Vrto… :) :) :)

:confused: Armenians never had blue eyes...it was always dark eyes, hair, big nose, hairy features lol, etc...About skin color, some say its between brown and white and some say its white, so you can't really decide. Like I seen these two Armenians in a store that were really dark, brown. I wouldn't even think they were Armenian if they didn't talk.

[garegin]

armenians were black, black i tell u
only subjugated brown idiots like armenians, blacks and hispanics are good.
idiots who constantly brag about getting harased by imperialists.
turks hurt us, boo boo boo. we are discriminated in russia cause our asses are too hairly. little pusshies

are u saying that blue eyed is better. huh? lets honestly admit, what better-short, hairly and dark or blue eyed, tall and light skinned? thought so. everyone secretly dreams of being "white". ahhh dammit

[!EEK]

Ye big nose..armenian aren't the only one to have big noses, I know some britton (not british) with huge noses...I mean HUGE...after seeing that, anyone would think armenian have a quit moderate nose.

[Thai-Samurai]

let's just say this: since their arent' as many Armenians out there as there are let's say French or American or whatever. Anyone who can speak Armenian decently we can let them into the family. It couldn't hurt. And if you can think in Armenian than you're definately Armenian.

[!EEK]

( i don't think in armenian..but I doubt that alot of the forum users do think in armenian)

[XxgoeyxX]

What???? are you people talking about. Think in Armenian :confused: What does that mean? Explain yourself my intellectual geniuses.

[MadHandle]

What???? are you people talking about. Think in Armenian :confused: What does that mean? Explain yourself my intellectual geniuses.

I think they just mean that if you even got interst in your Armenian side and try to interact with other Armenians, then your Armenian...Like if you got an Armenian mind set, culture, etc...I speak Armenian at home(estern), but I don't "think" in Armenian...if thats what he meant?

[XxgoeyxX]

I think they just mean that if you even got interst in your Armenian side and try to interact with other Armenians, then your Armenian...Like if you got an Armenian mind set, culture, etc...I speak Armenian at home(estern), but I don't "think" in Armenian...if thats what he meant?

Yes I understand. I just wanted to hear them say something silly again.

[!EEK]

Well he said in what language I was thinking and according to him, if i'm thinking in armenian, I'm trully an armenian..whats hard to understand about that?

[HyeJinx1984]

are there armenian/asians? that would be a trip.

Obviously you've never heard of teh relatively large Ethopian-Armenian population since Black Armenians flip me out more than Asian ones. I actually don't have too much information on this but I will certainly get some to show. Basically, (I don't remember why), a large group of Armenians moved to Ethiopia and inter-married and had children with Ethiopians, however the kept the culture very strong there to the point where there are people who look totally black speaking Armenian, eating Armenian food and following Armenian traditions in Ethiopia right now. I wish I had more information because this all sounds so unbelievable you may think I'm making it up, but I've been absolutely facinated with this subject since I first heard about it.

[XxgoeyxX]

Well he said in what language I was thinking and according to him, if i'm thinking in armenian, I'm trully an armenian..whats hard to understand about that?


Its not hard to understand. Your wording was just bad. Its okei dear..we totally get what you are saying. No biggie. We are all human beings in the end. Nothing more or less.

[IvyLipstick]

EEk if you are not a numbskull you would realize the following:

1) no one said that half-breeds needed to die which is what you are making it seem like

2) we already established and discussed the overall dangers internal and external of inter-breeding with outsiders while your ethnicity or race has a declining birth as privy as that is to seeing.

[IvyLipstick]

Lastly, no one in the world as of today is "pure" anymore. Some are just MORE mixed than others but however there are still homogenous cultures that exist in the world today.

[!EEK]

Well excuse me then but that simpathy was not the feeling I got from variouse threads like "Interracial relationship". It's the first time I'm doing any thread about this anywhere, it's the first time I think about it..and it happened here..

As for goey, why are my wordings bad? It's not me who said about "thinking in armenian" thai-samurai said this ..

Why always blaming me :crying: :crying: (don't look at my joyfull avatar when I :crying: it'll be less dramatic)

[IvyLipstick]

Well excuse me then but that simpathy was not the feeling I got from variouse threads like "Interracial relationship". It's the first time I'm doing any thread about this anywhere, it's the first time I think about it..and it happened here..

As for goey, why are my wordings bad? It's not me who said about "thinking in armenian" thai-samurai said this ..

Why always blaming me :crying: :crying: (don't look at my joyfull avatar when I :crying: it'll be less dramatic)
That is your loss not ours or even mine for that matter.

Just because we brought forth the facts and downsides of interracial mixing among ARmenians-- a group of NOT so populated people-- it doesnt mean that you should die or be condemned. And if you are a product of interracial mixing i.e. your mom spreading it to a negroid, then what can I say? We cannot help them all.

[HyeJinx1984]

That is your loss not ours or even mine for that matter.

Just because we brought forth the facts and downsides of interracial mixing among ARmenians-- a group of NOT so populated people-- it doesnt mean that you should die or be condemned. And if you are a product of interracial mixing i.e. your mom spreading it to a negroid, then what can I say? We cannot help them all.

Yea, what she said.

P.S.
Welcome back.

[XxgoeyxX]

As for goey, why are my wordings bad? It's not me who said about "thinking in armenian" thai-samurai said this ..

Why always blaming me :crying: :crying: (don't look at my joyfull avatar when I :crying: it'll be less dramatic)

My dear...friend. I didnt say your words are bad. Where did I say they were bad. I said its was your wording that was bad. There is a difference. You tried to express something and it didnt come out right. Now Now dont twist my words.

And dont start crying over people thinking differently then you do. This how people work. You have not experienced this before, but open your eyes there are stuff like this out there. And many people not just Armenians feel this way. I think you have a little bit more growing to do. At your age I didnt know many things, nor do I know a lot now. If I dont learn from it then I will be blind all of my life. So learn from this. A lot of people feel this way. You cant change it. Respect it just as I would respect you marry an otar.

P.S I wasnt blaming you..I did say intellectual geniuses

[Thai-Samurai]

yeah I heard about the Ethiopian Armenians' they even use most of our alphabet over there.

[HyeJinx1984]

ain't it a trip?

[MadHandle]

ain't it a trip?

They prolly don't even exist by now...mixed up and gone.

[!EEK]

yeah I heard about the Ethiopian Armenians' they even use most of our alphabet over there.


It's right, my hostry teacher told me that...

In fact we, armenians, have "stolen" their alphabeths...

Well it's just the alphabeth, not the oral language..don't think you speak ethiopian too :p

[HyeJinx1984]

It's right, my hostry teacher told me that...

In fact we, armenians, have "stolen" their alphabeths...

Well it's just the alphabeth, not the oral language..don't think you speak ethiopian too :p

Um... no, we didn't steal their alphabet. The two alphabets were created at around the same time. If you know much about Armenian history, then you know that when Mesrob Mashdots was trying to invent the Armenian alphabet he traveled all over the place to learn about linguistics and all that, one of the places being Ethiopia who at the time didn't have an alphabet of their own either. A lot of people think Mesrob was influencial (although uncredited) in the creation of the Ethiopian alphabet.

We did NOT steal the Ethiopian alphabet.

[garegin]

yes we did.<grumpy face, as opposed to smiley face>

[HyeJinx1984]

yes we did.<grumpy face, as opposed to smiley face>
No we didn't.<grumpy face, as opposed to smiley face>

[garegin]

we invented their alphabet, how we we have stole it? :rolleyes:
we "used" greek and roman alphabets. thats i know for sure.

[Anushik]

armenians were black, black i tell u
only subjugated brown idiots like armenians, blacks and hispanics are good.
idiots who constantly brag about getting harased by imperialists.
turks hurt us, boo boo boo. we are discriminated in russia cause our asses are too hairly. little pusshies

are u saying that blue eyed is better. huh? lets honestly admit, what better-short, hairly and dark or blue eyed, tall and light skinned? thought so. everyone secretly dreams of being "white". ahhh dammit
Why are you sooooo angry?... I don't say that I prefer blue ayes, I've read that Armenians had blue ayes and white skin... I didn't make it up... btw, I don't dream to be white, I'M WHITE, maybe to much even, but I have dark hair and brown ayes...
Btw, I didn’t understand, are you calling me an idiot? :mad: ...

[HyeJinx1984]

He's just a disgruntled Armenian. He'll get over it the same way I did. Pay him no mind.

[!EEK]

Yes well Mesrhob got his ideas from ethiopian alphabeth...It's historcally proven!! Like the wrong story about Noa's arch getting stuck on Mt Arrarat..I don't know if it 's wrong in fact but a French-Armenian scientists had facts about it that made it a lie....

I would think it's some armenian-hating scientists who studied this and told this armenian girl to say it so that she could have a more important aura because of her armenian origine....


Anyway, for the people who still have hope, they had "facts" that the boat wasn't on Mt. Arrarat...but they still don't have proove on where it "landed"... Mt Arrarat being the highest mount in eastern-europe.....I don't know what to think

[XxgoeyxX]

I would think it's some armenian-hating scientists who studied this and told this armenian girl to say it so that she could have a more important aura because of her armenian origine....

Anyway, for the people who still have hope, they had "facts" that the boat wasn't on Mt. Arrarat...but they still don't have proove on where it "landed"... Mt Arrarat being the highest mount in eastern-europe.....I don't know what to think


Where the heck did you get this idea from? Please explain were? So I understand what you are talking about. And so what if its not on Ararat, we dont hate scientist for finding out the truth. (Plus I already knew that scientists believe its not Noahs ark and so do a lot of people. They have been talking about it for years.) But like you said there is NO proof!...Yet, thats what great about studing the Bible, because you can read other sources and see where the information came from. :rolleyes:




"and in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat" (Genesis 8:4)

[MadHandle]

Armenians never had blue eyes...if they did then they still would.

[Yeznik]

I am half Armenian. My wife is born and raised in Armenia. I have had people treat me differently because I don't look Armenian, but I don't care. Let me say this as well, just because a person has a last name that ends with an ian, doesn't make them Armenian. Armenians have there own church, culture and language. These elements is what helps define an Armenian.

[XxgoeyxX]

Yes you are right, but we have already established that in this forum. And talked about it in other threads.

[HyeJinx1984]

Yes well Mesrhob got his ideas from ethiopian alphabeth...It's historcally proven!! Like the wrong story about Noa's arch getting stuck on Mt Arrarat..I don't know if it 's wrong in fact but a French-Armenian scientists had facts about it that made it a lie....

I would think it's some armenian-hating scientists who studied this and told this armenian girl to say it so that she could have a more important aura because of her armenian origine....


Anyway, for the people who still have hope, they had "facts" that the boat wasn't on Mt. Arrarat...but they still don't have proove on where it "landed"... Mt Arrarat being the highest mount in eastern-europe.....I don't know what to think

I just asked my teacher who is a PHD in Armenian Language and History and he said that the Armenian Alphabet predates the Ethiopian one. This is the last post I will make on that particular subject.. if you want to believe a PHd, like I do, then great, if not, then there's nothing else to talk about.

[Anonymouse]

Yes well Mesrhob got his ideas from ethiopian alphabeth...It's historcally proven!!

That is untrue.

[Trojan]

Obviously you've never heard of teh relatively large Ethopian-Armenian population since Black Armenians flip me out more than Asian ones. I actually don't have too much information on this but I will certainly get some to show. Basically, (I don't remember why), a large group of Armenians moved to Ethiopia and inter-married and had children with Ethiopians, however the kept the culture very strong there to the point where there are people who look totally black speaking Armenian, eating Armenian food and following Armenian traditions in Ethiopia right now. I wish I had more information because this all sounds so unbelievable you may think I'm making it up, but I've been absolutely facinated with this subject since I first heard about it.

Well...

What do you want to know.... :naughty:

But let me tell you that you are a bit missinformed about the aremenian community in eth. The community is weaker than ever. All in all not more than a hundred half armenians included. There are no such thing as black armenians, half-casts yes but blacks who speaks armenian no. The culture is still strong among the 100 but in a couple of years that will all be gone. I havent been a wedding in the church for years even if the club still atracts some people but mainly the expat community.

Thats all feel free to ask

/Trojan :cool:

[choban]

In Toronto there is this Armo dude who is half black. When you see him he is totally black, i mean his hair, skin color, basically what im saying is he doesn't even look like a mix. Yet the guy speaks better Armenian than most ppl that we're born here, knows everything about the culture and dances like an Armo too.

You guys shouldn't be against ppl that are half armo. We should take everyone in.

[Genuine_Stud]

Wow.... 4 pages on such a simple question. :rolleyes:

There's nothing wrong with non-pure Armenians.

[Azgaser]

I don't really have the Armenian nose, that's a plus.

The Armenian nose is beautiful, you idiot. God, I hate Armenians who are ashamed of their race.

lets honestly admit, what better-short, hairly and dark or blue eyed, tall and light skinned? thought so. everyone secretly dreams of being "white". ahhh dammit

Maybe you dream of being "white". Maybe you are a filthy wannabe. Maybe you are ashamed of the beautiful Armenian race. This only proves that you are an idiot. What are you... 12?

I've read that Armenians had blue ayes and white skin...

Where did you read such nonsense? In the "Armenian Wannabe White Handbook"? Most Armenians never had blue eyes, this is just the WISH of Armenian wannabes who unfortunately seem to be quite many. Armenians belong to what is called the Armenoid/Anatolian/Hittite race by anthropologists and have always looked like they do today.

Armenians never had blue eyes...if they did then they still would.

This is not a good argument. They could have been mixed with other peoples and lost their blue eyes because of this. This is also what those who claim that we used to have "blue eyes" say. It's not true. According to the historians and anthropologists Armenians have almost not mixed with other peoples at all throughout history, especially not with Turks and Arabs (which the "we had blue eyes"-Armenians love to claim).

In Toronto there is this Armo dude who is half black. When you see him he is totally black, i mean his hair, skin color, basically what im saying is he doesn't even look like a mix. Yet the guy speaks better Armenian than most ppl that we're born here, knows everything about the culture and dances like an Armo too.

You guys shouldn't be against ppl that are half armo. We should take everyone in.

Did you know that the Hughes Brothers are half-Armenians too! :)

[nunechka]

ladies and gentlement,

i am back...

eek, have you read my threads and posts? you should... i am one of those people that truly believes that armenians are actually (ONLY NOW!!!) mixes... look at us, we look so different... and one armenian from australia is different from an armenian in California, LA, not even fresno... lol

so of course there is nothing wrong with that...

but i have to disagree with you about te mesrop mashtots thing... armenian letters and the language is as old as time.... mashtots compiled our letters; OUR LETTERS... our language is the most unique... one may conclude that our letters came from other parts of the world, but thats because of the genocide; you see a lot of our history and literature was BURNED by the turks, and so people like to say a lot of things about our language... like it is indo european, or from persian language... blah blah blah thats all BS! with all capital letters... we are indignous (i think thats how to spell it) and we are IT! we are the poeple that occupied that land since the beginning of time, as you can tell, armenians were not the "traveling" culture like other were... so we stay where we are FOREVER... unless the move us out, like the F(#*$( azbajantsis when the war for Gharabagh was happening... so ANYWHO! you are perfectly accepted as long as you want to be, and ou truly act on it... but read more history books, specifically from france, germany, and russia about armenians so that you can truly understand where our ansestors came from (from what is turky now) and where our language came from (from Urartu) and that ladies and gents is my 2 cents...

thanks for your time...

[Anonymouse]

ladies and gentlement,

i am back...

eek, have you read my threads and posts? you should... i am one of those people that truly believes that armenians are actually (ONLY NOW!!!) mixes... look at us, we look so different... and one armenian from australia is different from an armenian in California, LA, not even fresno... lol

so of course there is nothing wrong with that...

but i have to disagree with you about te mesrop mashtots thing... armenian letters and the language is as old as time.... mashtots compiled our letters; OUR LETTERS... our language is the most unique... one may conclude that our letters came from other parts of the world, but thats because of the genocide; you see a lot of our history and literature was BURNED by the turks, and so people like to say a lot of things about our language... like it is indo european, or from persian language... blah blah blah thats all BS! with all capital letters... we are indignous (i think thats how to spell it) and we are IT! we are the poeple that occupied that land since the beginning of time, as you can tell, armenians were not the "traveling" culture like other were... so we stay where we are FOREVER... unless the move us out, like the F(#*$( azbajantsis when the war for Gharabagh was happening... so ANYWHO! you are perfectly accepted as long as you want to be, and ou truly act on it... but read more history books, specifically from france, germany, and russia about armenians so that you can truly understand where our ansestors came from (from what is turky now) and where our language came from (from Urartu) and that ladies and gents is my 2 cents...

thanks for your time...

That makes about as much sense as a chocolate tea cup.

[nunechka]

and of course the genius of the forum... thanks anon

[Anonymouse]

and of course the genius of the forum... thanks anon

http://www.markbaker.com/Images/dracula.jpg

[nunechka]

you do tend to scare me most of the time...
and now we see what goes on in that head of yours

j/k

LOL...

[Cosmo/Aida]

man who bloody cares of ur 1/2 armenian or not u r wat u r dn't expect other ppl 2 treat u like xxxx.....if ppl treat u like dat den their racist...

[Anonymouse]

man who bloody cares of ur 1/2 armenian or not u r wat u r dn't expect other ppl 2 treat u like xxxx.....if ppl treat u like dat den their racist...

OMG YOU SAID THE "R" WORD YOU ARE SO INTOLERANT OF "R" PEOPLE!

[Azgaser]

ladies and gentlement,

i am back...

eek, have you read my threads and posts? you should... i am one of those people that truly believes that armenians are actually (ONLY NOW!!!) mixes... look at us, we look so different... and one armenian from australia is different from an armenian in California, LA, not even fresno... lol

so of course there is nothing wrong with that...

but i have to disagree with you about te mesrop mashtots thing... armenian letters and the language is as old as time.... mashtots compiled our letters; OUR LETTERS... our language is the most unique... one may conclude that our letters came from other parts of the world, but thats because of the genocide; you see a lot of our history and literature was BURNED by the turks, and so people like to say a lot of things about our language... like it is indo european, or from persian language... blah blah blah thats all BS! with all capital letters... we are indignous (i think thats how to spell it) and we are IT! we are the poeple that occupied that land since the beginning of time, as you can tell, armenians were not the "traveling" culture like other were... so we stay where we are FOREVER... unless the move us out, like the F(#*$( azbajantsis when the war for Gharabagh was happening... so ANYWHO! you are perfectly accepted as long as you want to be, and ou truly act on it... but read more history books, specifically from france, germany, and russia about armenians so that you can truly understand where our ansestors came from (from what is turky now) and where our language came from (from Urartu) and that ladies and gents is my 2 cents...

thanks for your time...


What a moron! :laugh:

[nunechka]

sweety you are the moron; and moderator, you see i didnt start it nor do i care for ending it... when someone says that i am a moron; well its perfectly understandable and civilized for me to assume that they are the moron...

so azgaser you are the moron :laugh: MORON! :laugh: MORON! :laugh: MORON! :laugh: MORON! :laugh: MORON! :laugh:

M O R O N :laugh:

:wave:
:laugh:

isnt it great to assume that someone is a moron? i am sure that azgaser you had a good deal of laughter in assuming that about me; so i am also going to do so... apeartenly you made no mention as to what your reason was, and i am going to make no mention of what my reasons are... so moron, have a good evening :laugh:

[MadHandle]

Why is this topic still so popular....

there is one answer to this...of coarse its ok to be half Armenian...as long as you recognize it and atleast have some amout of pride from your Armenian half. Nothing wrong with half Armenains...

[HyeJinx1984]

Why is this topic still so popular....

there is one answer to this...of coarse its ok to be half Armenian...as long as you recognize it and atleast have some amout of pride from your Armenian half. Nothing wrong with half Armenains...

I agree with you except for the "at least" part... For me to consider someone who's half Armenian an Armenian, it needs to be a conscious part of they're lives, something they actively put forth.. when they look at the world, they through Armenian eyes. Or something like that.

[Azgaser]

Why I think you're a moron? Because you seem to base your opinions on wishful thinking rather than facts. Of course, I could be wrong, but then I want proofs for your perceptions.

Armenian is considered an Indo-European language. I don't know wether it was imposed on non Indo-European Urartians by Indo-European invaders, or if it was the language of Urartu, and that the Urartians, thus, were Indo-Europeans (there is such a theory, you know). All I know is that Armenian has, atleast partially, its roots in the proto Indo-European language. Do you know how many words Armenian has in common with other Indo-European languages?

Again, if you have some proof of that Armenian is not an Indo-European language, please post them.

[nunechka]

azgaser, i will gladely do it asap... :)

[HyeJinx1984]

azgaser, i will gladely do it asap... :)

I haven't really been following the debate between you two too closely.. but why are you so convinced that Armenian is not an indo-european language? and if it's not.. what is it? I can tell you with relative certaintity that it in fact is since one of my professors, a PhD in Armenian Language from UCLA says that it is in fact an Indo European language, as do many experts.

[nunechka]

well the only reason that i am skeptical is because i dont like to take "history" just as it is... i guess i am critical of how history is written, you know the rule (whoever wins writes historty); but i am aware that in recent times history has been less slanted...

so if history was written (mostly) by the winner; and you know how our history is distored altogether because of the genocide and all this other stuff, like how each part of armenia has a different story to tell, so this is where i feel like i am being F*&# in the @ss when i read history...

when europe became powerful, after the byzantines, after the romans; it really changed armenians; some armenians studied in france and england, while others in russia and germany, and these two peoples were the western armos and easter armos... each one proclaiming a different story about our past... the western armenians really wanted to be with europe since it was so powerful and it offered a lot of assistance and the eastern armenians believed they were from that area and there is no such thing as indo-europian as it relates to armenians, especially our language...

i know that all professors have disagreements; for example, i had a professor who thought unions were a waste of time, i certainly dont think they are a waste of time, i had another professor who was truly sexist; he thought it was ok (at work! [emphasis]) to look down a girls shirt if her shirt was low enough and that if she wanted to complain she should SHUT UP because she is wearing something that is slightly low cut; the first professor was a labor law professor, and the second was a human resource mgmt professor; so you can see that each person was the expert of each topic that they criticized and were terribly slanted...

#1 i take everything with a "grain of salt"

i think many of us would like to say we are decendants from eurpoe, but we are not, as a matter of fact pure anthropology would say that people started out from where armenia is and then moved UP! north to europe...

think about it for a second: people lived in places were the soil and sun and animals were the most plentiful; so the time that which our decentends were living in armenia (now turkey); had to have been living there fore purely survival reasons; and the northern parts of the earth in which one would need lost of heating or a/c or more things that didnt excist then; well they couldnt have been living there because plants & animals would die in the winter and so would they, so you see most of europe was not a place where the human body can survive without heat, sun, and so on...

people only lived in places where it was the most feasable... the most effective, the most efficient... in general people traveled only to find a way to survive...

i dont agree with western or eastern; i think we should all be critical of every single word of history... for example i know that you think i agree more with eastern armenian history, but i dont; because for example one of the other facets of what is dictated in eastern history is that the iraqi, the azerbajantsi; the georgians, the albanians, etc... all used to be armenians...

i dont know about that... the way a person looks isnt just genetics, i know it is mostly genetics but it is the place that they are located on the earth... like africa vs the neatherlands... they are both human; but boy do they look differernt... different atmostphere, diff sun light, diff soil, diff a lot of things that you can easily point out...

so if there are people that were influenced to belive that armenians were decendents of a physically impossible transformation of locations (north to south) rather then scientifically proven means of location changes (south to north) then so be it; but lets be honest here, armenians didnt come from the north pole or anywhere near it, armenians were living in that same plateu that they are living in now...

my father once said to me, as a half joke "what the hell is wrong with armenians, what has happened to us? when we used to write poetry, and plays, and when we used to be the most advanced in science and astronomy (even compared to the greeks), we used to be philosphers and these stupid europeans were monkies on trees, and now we are the monkies and they are the intellectuals"

i think its fair to say that we dont have latin in our language; and ALL EUROPEAN LANGUAGE are latin based... and even parts of russian and german... look at their letters, if you speak german you can understand english, they are very similar; and russian is also similar... but armenian is so different that there is nothing that can be connected...

we connect them; we want to connect them... we are not connected... we are different from everyone... we are like an endangered culture, there arent too many of us, our language is so difficult to teach... our culture has so many things in it that its hard to teach the traditions... we have unspoken understandings between armenains...

i dont know, who knows really... just pay attention to our everyday words... and english words... see the drastic difference in our "western" culture and their "western" culture...

we are not like anyone... we are our own...

many greek historians have said so many times that armenians are not indo eurpeans and niether are they, but we still dont get it...

greeks are greeks, no indo nothin, and armenians are armenians no indo nothin here either...

we are a culture that is not connected... there is this antropologist (dead now) Margret Mead, she suggested armenian be the international language spoken at the UN because this language was the purest and cleanest of all languages...

but of course that didnt pass...

why? well take a guess, the strong power is not armenia, it is the US now, and it was France, and before that it was Germany... so it was german, french, and now the rotten english language (which has 3 of the same sounding words (two too to, there their they're, where wear, were, buy bye by... etc...) this is disguisting... armenians only have 1 of this and it isnt even 3 its only two...

example: ser, (love or the skin of the milk) and they arent spelled the same either (one is spelled with the soft E and the other with the hard E)

anyway... our laugauge must be protected from politics and popularity... just because it makes us sound like we are intellectuals, doesnt make us european, and what is it to be european anyway, it is only in very recent years that europe has been a decent place to live...

i have nothing against them, but i am not running in a popularity contest... i am not russian, i am not german, french or anything else... i am armenian and there is proof by greek historians that we are indiginous, then lets read the freakin books... Xeneophob (i think) is very OLD (BC time)...

so remember there are arguments from science now that prove that people didnt live there until it was modernized...

i love all you armenians... even the weird ones...

and there is nothing wrong with not being decendents from europe... and there is everything right with proven science and commen sense (they are our decendets not the other way around)

thanks for your time, and please dont attack me without really taking it all in and giving it a day to settle...

[HyeJinx1984]

Honey, I have to be honest... there's no way I'm reading all that. I'll just say that being part of any particular language family (Indo-European, Turkic, Semetic, etc...) depends greatly on similarity in gramar and conjuncture and other such things, which scholars have determined Armenian has in common with most Indo-European languages. We even share some words, for example, "Azad" means free in both Armenian and Fraci (also an Indo European language)

[nunechka]

but how do you know what is "indo" european?
just read it... there is nothing european about our language...

how do you explain this then: what is the word for Cheese in armenian? panir right, well that is the exact same word in india... IDINA is not an indo european language... what is so hard about keeping our language and culture free of political and popular ideas... we are armenian our lanugage incompasses words from other language because of time, like we say merci for thank you but the correct word is shnorhakalutiun... we say pamidor for tomatoe but the correct word is lolik, i can name so many things... and in about 200 yrs two peole just like us will sit in front of their comptuers (whatever that may be) and say, did you know that merci is armenian and french, and they will say well armenians must be decendents from the french culture because of that... or for pamidor, they will say hey did you know that pamidor is in italian, and they will say well armenians must be decendents from italians...

whatever... that is ridiculas... we are not indian, french, italian or persian, or anything else... words are words... our language has all the words in it, but because of many factors, such as for example us, living here in the US, we inhereit words... but our lanugage is original, we are the bastards that bastardized it... we are the ones that have control over out precious language that is one of a kind, unlike anythign else...

we use words in our language now that are turkish, are we going to say we are dencendents of turks? NO WAY!

just read it hyejinx... remember i joined this forum becuase of you... you decided to take a class in armenian... and i shared my feelings of the trip i took to armenia this summer...

anywho... see ya later

[Anonymouse]

but how do you know what is "indo" european?
just read it... there is nothing european about our language...

how do you explain this then: what is the word for Cheese in armenian? panir right, well that is the exact same word in india... IDINA is not an indo european language... what is so hard about keeping our language and culture free of political and popular ideas... we are armenian our lanugage incompasses words from other language because of time, like we say merci for thank you but the correct word is shnorhakalutiun... we say pamidor for tomatoe but the correct word is lolik, i can name so many things... and in about 200 yrs two peole just like us will sit in front of their comptuers (whatever that may be) and say, did you know that merci is armenian and french, and they will say well armenians must be decendents from the french culture because of that... or for pamidor, they will say hey did you know that pamidor is in italian, and they will say well armenians must be decendents from italians...

whatever... that is ridiculas... we are not indian, french, italian or persian, or anything else... words are words... our language has all the words in it, but because of many factors, such as for example us, living here in the US, we inhereit words... but our lanugage is original, we are the bastards that bastardized it... we are the ones that have control over out precious language that is one of a kind, unlike anythign else...

we use words in our language now that are turkish, are we going to say we are dencendents of turks? NO WAY!

just read it hyejinx... remember i joined this forum becuase of you... you decided to take a class in armenian... and i shared my feelings of the trip i took to armenia this summer...

anywho... see ya later

You are being a moron, and yet you wonder why people call you a moron. Do you not know about linguistics, and philology?

[nunechka]

anony you are the moron, and thats why you attack people... yes i do know about linguists, and philology these are the studies of literary language... it is clear to me that if you believe in everything you are taught in some book then you are the moron because you offer no form of true and original critic to any issue... all you have is rhetoric, no substance, i read what you have to say, and its just a bunch of nonsense, the only thing you have going for you is a big dictionary on the side and the spell checker... you are well spoken for those reasons... and maybe you heard a conversation somewhere and read up on the topic in a summary form...

but truly it isnt just what some historian says or what some linguist says... you must be critical of the standard teachings, after all they only prove that the 'white man" is the one who came up with astromony, or science, or any other form of social study... that isnt true... we armenians are not german or greek... but there is more then enough proof to show certain things were invented by armenians like the calendar... like the electronic calculator, like the rubic cubic... and so on...

but no historian will tell you that...

and no linguist will tell you that armenians are original, because we all have a yearning to be the ones who created the mose productive things in this world... so a german guy thinks germans were the one who first created engineering, the light the mathemtical forlumas... etc... however we dont know the unspoken invetor whose inventions were probably stolen from the him or her by a rich b!tch and you can go on from there...

anony you are the moron... you have nothing buy rhetoric... armenians who are critical will not take what some one has written in a book... i know i know armenian professors teach the same thing...

but like i said professors arent always critical either...

anony = rhetoric
nunechka = insite

anony that pic truly does represent who you are

a silly man

[Anonymouse]

anony you are the moron, and thats why you attack people... yes i do know about linguists, and philology these are the studies of literary language... it is clear to me that if you believe in everything you are taught in some book then you are the moron because you offer no form of true and original critic to any issue... all you have is rhetoric, no substance, i read what you have to say, and its just a bunch of nonsense, the only thing you have going for you is a big dictionary on the side and the spell checker... you are well spoken for those reasons... and maybe you heard a conversation somewhere and read up on the topic in a summary form...

If you knew at least what linguistics and philology were by definition, you would not have made the highly moronic post that you did. My guess is, it went something like this. You saw my response. You then noticed I mentioned linguistics and philology, you then looked up the definitions online to see if they are related, and then you proceeded to type here "...Of course I know what those are...". And in an effort to hide your obvious lack of insight ( ironically which you claim to possess ) you go on trying to divert that by saying "you're all rhetoric, I'm all insight".

but truly it isnt just what some historian says or what some linguist says... you must be critical of the standard teachings, after all they only prove that the 'white man" is the one who came up with astromony, or science, or any other form of social study... that isnt true... we armenians are not german or greek... but there is more then enough proof to show certain things were invented by armenians like the calendar... like the electronic calculator, like the rubic cubic... and so on...

This is where you sound even more silly. Being critical of standard teachings, is not the same as adopting the nihilistic scent of Marx and the reality-bankrupt post-modern cliches. Astronomy was certainly the inheritor of a more ancient tradition of astrology, and yes astronomy has had its greatest advances among white people, and who we attribute the entire idea of space travel to, and also the white people are the ones who have made the greatest strides in science. Such is not because there is a lack of critical thinking, but simply the way things are, even though a bunch of egalitarian post-modernists like you might not like it. As far as the calendar, it wasn't just Armenians. Many cultures have invented calendars, and this was particularly the pattern in antiquity, based on astrological teachings.

but no historian will tell you that...

and no linguist will tell you that armenians are original, because we all have a yearning to be the ones who created the mose productive things in this world... so a german guy thinks germans were the one who first created engineering, the light the mathemtical forlumas... etc... however we dont know the unspoken invetor whose inventions were probably stolen from the him or her by a rich b!tch and you can go on from there...

anony you are the moron... you have nothing buy rhetoric... armenians who are critical will not take what some one has written in a book... i know i know armenian professors teach the same thing...

but like i said professors arent always critical either...

anony = rhetoric
nunechka = insite

anony that pic truly does represent who you are

a silly man

It seems it is a common pattern among self-styled 'critical thinkers' that somehow, if they paint the opposing side as "buying into textbooks" that this little ad hominem might elevate their argument to a more 'serious' and 'educated' stance, as in people will take them more seriously because they pointed out that theirs is the sanctified version of thought, while the opposing side is sanitized text book regurgitation. In reality it only serves as a poor reminder of the desperate measures desperate people are often forced to take. In your case, it is your statement that somehow I am a victim of "text books" and that you are the critical thinker, and those like you are the purveyors of knowledge.

Based on childish and silly attempts to somehow discredit languages, or the study of languages, by appealing to your ignorance hardly makes matters clear. Why do you assume that I believe everything I read? I can very well accuse you of being that. Such is the tactics of children in the play field. By suggesting that because Armenians use the word "merci", which is French, that the Armenian language is not classified as Indo-European, is silly. The scientific study of languages is not concerned with the everyday vernacular of peoples', which may include slang, or even yelling. In your silly example the word "merci" is French obviously, thanks to linguistics, which is the scientific study of languages. It concerns itself with every aspect of language, be it cognitive, phonetic, phonemic, syntax, semantics, acquisition. Armenian is so precise and in fact, is one of the most phonetically precise languages, that a famous anthropologist by the name of Margaret Mead suggested that Armenian be an international language, hardly the hallmark of what you are describing. Now, quit while you can, before you make yourself look even worse.

[HyeJinx1984]

Poor Nune, we're ragging on her so bad.... don't worry, you shoulda saw what these guys did to me when I waltzed in here all those months ago for the first time claiming Armenian was a Semetic language, lol.

[nunechka]

anon jan no one pays anymore attention to you... you are like the forum clown... its ok... i love the dictionary that oyu use to make simple words seem much more important... and if are not critical of what you read in textbooks then how can you sit here and criticize me? after all you are just a gullable moron...

gaucho, the only reason i brough up examples of professors was because someone in the previous threads said that their phd professor said something... and i just didnt agree with it...

pyunik, think before you talk...

hyejinx thanks for the comforting words... i guess its because of you why i am not going insane in here...

but why is it that people want to beleive whatever the popular thing is... i dont understand... what is wrong with us armenians being original people that we are... what is the problem here? i am only making one claim, and that is that armenian language is not a branch, it is its own... i used anthropological examples because it is proven that people traveld to northern parts of the earth only after they were able to live in those areas... and for example one of the necesities was to have proper sun light so people can grow fruits and veggitables... but again, it doesnt make any sense, how come the greeks are proud of themselves,and they claim their culture to their own originality, and we armenians have to attach ourselves to others when there is argument against it... mostly greek historians that say that armenians were their own people and not attached to anything else...

that is it... STOP IT!

i have read many books too, i love my culture, my history and i love being who i am... ARMENIAN!

[XxgoeyxX]

Nune Jan you should have made another thread about this. Just tell us if its okay to be non-pure Armenian. Which it is by the way. Your points are valid. There is no need for you to be upset. You knew when posting you were going to get such replies. Its okay my dearest. life goes on...just smile. :D Look at my bigg smile.. :D

[Anonymouse]

anon jan no one pays anymore attention to you... you are like the forum clown... its ok... i love the dictionary that oyu use to make simple words seem much more important... and if are not critical of what you read in textbooks then how can you sit here and criticize me? after all you are just a gullable moron...

gaucho, the only reason i brough up examples of professors was because someone in the previous threads said that their phd professor said something... and i just didnt agree with it...

pyunik, think before you talk...

hyejinx thanks for the comforting words... i guess its because of you why i am not going insane in here...

but why is it that people want to beleive whatever the popular thing is... i dont understand... what is wrong with us armenians being original people that we are... what is the problem here? i am only making one claim, and that is that armenian language is not a branch, it is its own... i used anthropological examples because it is proven that people traveld to northern parts of the earth only after they were able to live in those areas... and for example one of the necesities was to have proper sun light so people can grow fruits and veggitables... but again, it doesnt make any sense, how come the greeks are proud of themselves,and they claim their culture to their own originality, and we armenians have to attach ourselves to others when there is argument against it... mostly greek historians that say that armenians were their own people and not attached to anything else...

that is it... STOP IT!

i have read many books too, i love my culture, my history and i love being who i am... ARMENIAN!

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[nunechka]

lol lol lol
i love this movie...
HA HA HA HA!
thanks for the laugh...

[garegin]

all of them kick ass.
their originality and mike miyers' performanse blow spy hard out of he water.

[nunechka]

gohar jan, i know you are right... i had a feeling this was becoming more then it was...

sorry everyone... :)

and garegin i agree... but we should talk about this in another thread... the thread we can make for mike myers and his genius hilarious movies... Waynes World (AWESOME)... etc...

[Anonymouse]

well she HAS to be upset. It's pretty much EVERYONE in this forum (AND 100% linguists of the world) against HER (and possibly you).
"your points are valid"????
stop being ignorant people.
stubbornness doesn't get you anywhere.
after ALL OF THIS... she still thinks she's right.
unbelievable..

Her points are not valid, any one who thinks so needs a reality check.

[XxgoeyxX]

well she HAS to be upset. It's pretty much EVERYONE in this forum (AND 100% linguists of the world) against HER (and possibly you).
"your points are valid"????
stop being ignorant people.
stubbornness doesn't get you anywhere.
after ALL OF THIS... she still thinks she's right.
unbelievable..


What I meant by that is....there is no reason to be upset (for her at least)....thats all. Im just tring to make her feel better. And no I dont know much of this stuff..Im only learning by reading from you guys. And no one being stubborn...If she is wrong then she is wrong...im not going to put her down for it. Im sorry if I offended anyone by saying that.

[nunechka]

goey relax, i dont get offened when crazy people talk... i really like what anony says in one area of the forum and in another area i dont...

overall it doesnt make a difference...

he has more time in his hands and he believes everything he reads but i dont, i am critical of everything i read and i dont take everything at face value...

the reason why this world is great is because we are so different, but then again this is why people dont get along...

there are greater and bigger things then anony, and he is just one opinion, and i know that so am i...

i appreciate his critic of me, because thats exactly what we should all do... NOT TAKE EVERYTHING at face value...

[Azgaser]

i had another professor who was truly sexist; he thought it was ok (at work! [emphasis]) to look down a girls shirt if her shirt was low enough and that if she wanted to complain she should SHUT UP because she is wearing something that is slightly low cut;

"Sexist" my ass! If the woman doesn't want men to look at her titties she'd better cover them with some clothes.

Typically women... first you show off your bodies then you complain when men look at them.

Tell me, if you don't like it, why are you showing off your bodies in the first place?

Women are hypocrites.

[XxgoeyxX]

"Sexist" my ass! If the woman doesn't want men to look at her titties she'd better cover them with some clothes, don't you think?

Typically women... first you show off your body then you complain when men watch.

Tell me, if you don't like it, why are you showing off your bodies in the first place?

Women are hypocrites.


I actually agree with you. Except for the women are hypocrites..I just think human beings are hypocrites.

[Azgaser]

Yes, human beings are generally hypocrites, but women are sexual hypocrites.

[Azgaser]

I must tell you, nunechka, I'm not saying that Armenian is an Indo-European language because I WANT it to be an Indo-European language. It's pure facts. If someone could prove that it isn't I wouldn't be disappointed at all. You don't stick to facts, that seems to be your problem.

Armenian is probably a mix between an Indo-European (some Phrygian dialect) and an non-Indo-European language (Urartian).

But this is just a theory. There are historians who claim that Armenian was the language of Urartu (i.e. that Urartian was a form of proto-Armenian), and that it was never influenced by Phrygian.

we are a culture that is not connected... there is this antropologist (dead now) Margret Mead, she suggested armenian be the international language spoken at the UN because this language was the purest and cleanest of all languages...


Armenian has many Iranian loanwords, the grammar is similar to the Turkish and Iranian (especially Turkish) and perhaps also Georgian, and the phonetic system strikingly resembles that of Georgian. There are no "pure" or "clean" languages.

anyway... our laugauge must be protected from politics and popularity... just because it makes us sound like we are intellectuals, doesnt make us european, and what is it to be european anyway, it is only in very recent years that europe has been a decent place to live...

i have nothing against them, but i am not running in a popularity contest... i am not russian, i am not german, french or anything else... i am armenian and there is proof by greek historians that we are indiginous, then lets read the freakin books... Xeneophob (i think) is very OLD (BC time)...

and there is nothing wrong with not being decendents from europe... and there is everything right with proven science and commen sense (they are our decendets not the other way around)

First of all, our language being Indo-European doesn't necessarily mean that we aren't indigenous to the region. Your confusing language with race. What are you... 12?

Second, who said that we are Europeans or that not being European is bad!?

I'll just say that being part of any particular language family (Indo-European, Turkic, Semetic, etc...) depends greatly on similarity in gramar and conjuncture and other such things, which scholars have determined Armenian has in common with most Indo-European languages. We even share some words, for example, "Azad" means free in both Armenian and Fraci (also an Indo European language)

Wrong. Armenian grammar is very different to that of most Indo-European (especially European) languages.

It is the large amount of words that it has in common with other Indo-European languages that indicates that Armenian is, at least partially, Indo-European.

Btw, "azad" is probably just a loanword.

Pyunik: Yawn.. are you another wannabe?

[HyeJinx1984]

My Halva makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants, my halva makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants, my Halva! Hey! My Halva!

Ahem. You guys are all idiots, let's talk about something more meaningful now.

[Azgaser]

Idiots? We're not the ones that don't know who Andre Agassi is.

[HyeJinx1984]

Idiots? We're not the ones that don't know who Andre Agassi is.

I'll let that newbish act of thread crossing slide, welp. You really shouldn't start making enemies so soon Mr. 47

[Anonymouse]

goey relax, i dont get offened when crazy people talk... i really like what anony says in one area of the forum and in another area i dont...

overall it doesnt make a difference...

he has more time in his hands and he believes everything he reads but i dont, i am critical of everything i read and i dont take everything at face value...

the reason why this world is great is because we are so different, but then again this is why people dont get along...

there are greater and bigger things then anony, and he is just one opinion, and i know that so am i...

i appreciate his critic of me, because thats exactly what we should all do... NOT TAKE EVERYTHING at face value...

You mean, you appreciate my "critique" of you, not "critic". If you can prove that I am a victim of believing what text books say, you should please prove that, as opposed to just stating that because it makes you look somewhat cool that you are "the critical thinker". You, my intellectually inferior friend, are anything but critical. You, like most other self-styled "critical thinkers" are anything but critical to the ideological prism which you must desperately cling to, because uncomfortable viewpoints and facts, threaten to peel the veneer of illusions which you have cloaked over you.

If you knew anything about me and my position you would know that I am anything but uncritical. Of course, you are trivial and your arguments are not even logical. All your posts in this forum have been one long diatribe after another of really no substance, other than pure emotions, not to mention the bad spelling and grammar.

[!EEK]

Anonymouse and his grammar complexe..you know, the whole world isn't english speaking...

Who told you Nuncheka was english speaking? Assumptions..again...

Anonymouse, how many language can you speak and write? Answer to this question and I'll leave you alone with your flaming.

[nunechka]

ok... so anony is right, i dont use the spell checker all the time and i dont have time to make sure that every single sentence has the correct noun and verb in place... i have a job, i am a busy working woman... i got a budget to keep and am still young and can manage to talk on this forum as well as live my normal life... but you are attacking my spelling and grammaer anony jan... you are the trivial one...

ieek! danka shen aziz...

i do speak other languages and thats why my grammer may not be in tip top shame in english...

i do appreciate your critiQUE anony...

:)

[Azgaser]

I'll let that newbish act of thread crossing slide, welp. You really shouldn't start making enemies so soon Mr. 47

What are you talking abou?

[nunechka]

azgaser, looking at boobies and forcing someone to have sex with you is a different thing...

and even if we go less suttle then sex... looking at boobies and wanting to touch them (even though they are your co-worker's, and you are at work, and she doesnt want you to touch them) is a different thing, there have been maybe 1 or 2 cases all toghther in the world of fake claims...

look, i like a little flirting... its healthy... but the reason why women complain and the reason why i would complain, is when men take it too far... the human resource professor was blaming women for rape and sexual harrassment cases... this was a case class of human resource studies... which means it was basically a labor law class but with an attitude... (added for the 21st century student) a good class, but i wondered why is the professor sexist...

if a woman asks a man, hey do you wanna have sex with me, he will not turn her down... he may turn her down if he is married or in a serious relationship, but as you can imagine that may not even stop some guys...

but again... its ok to talk nice, and give thoughtful, good compliments, and we know what those are... but to just force someone, or to make them feel uncomfortable to come to work because there is this dirty creep at work, saying unethical things, well thats wrong...

its just like any other form of pressure... this is just sexual pressure, and most of the time its women who are the victims, but i know that men can be victims of this too... seriously they could... imagine a guy who is wokring for a firm and the boss is a lady and she forces him to have sex with her every other day, at first he was ok with it, but sooner or later it becomes a problem, so he would start to feel uncomfortable right? right... he may leave, but what if he cant leave, he has to pay bills and its not looking to good in the job market, or what if he didnt have any other kind of education...

and what if even in school, lets say he went back to get his masters, he was being sexually harrassed again but now by professors... and he didnt feel comfortable going to class, he would drop out... so this is why we need help from a higher force... a law, and law aiding individuals...

i wear what ever i want to work... i want to wear professonal clothes, because i am professosional... when i wear a skirt i shouldnt feel that my skirt is causing a problem... and i know that people want to think, well how short is the skit? a sensible person does not wear a very short skirt, and when they do, that doesnt give you or anyone else the right to force yourself on to her... she is stupid, are you? she is low are you? she is dumb are you?

so azgaser if you answered no to the previous questions, then you shouldnt defend a man who does... because you are not like that... you will not lower yourself to that level, and you will never force yourself on someone else when they dont want it...

get it?

i love talking about this subject because its a subject that people know very little about, and they only know the stereoypes...

[Disciplinary]

I'm half-armo and I think if anything it's more of a benefit than a hinderance. I don't really have the Armenian nose, that's a plus. And I don't look less Armenian than a full one, although lots of people do think I'm Hispanic or Middle Eastern. I know it's about more than just physical appearance, but of all my full Armenian cousins I'm the most involved in and educated on the culture because I've had more interest in pursuing it than them.
I guess the reason I don't see mixing as big deal is because I've grown up so completely American. The U.S. is in its own little world and I, fortunately/unfortunately was born into it.


First of all you are validating your bogus argument from a stereotypical invalid source. ARMENIAN NOSE? So Italians and French and BRitish who also have big noses are Armenians? And for the last time, your narrow mind really needs to get a reality check: ARMENIANS ARE NOT MIDDLE EASTERN, WE ARE EASTERN EUROPEANS. NO WHERE IN ARMENIA IS THERE A DESERT OR A CAMEL OR ISLAM AND IT LIES WEST OF THE URAL MOUNTAINS WHICH SERVES AS THE PARAMETER AND BOUNDARY FOR EUROPE AND ASIA. The only advantage to being a mix is having your mixed types comfort your ambiguity.

AND WHO IS tO SAY WHAT AN ARMENIAN SHOULD LOOK LIKE?! Armenians were pillaged and raped by middle easterners since day one. Stop generalizing little bits of reality to satisfy your skewed mindset.

WHAT IS AN AMERICAN?! MY my your outlandish mindset has taking you to the realm of an ineptitude making you a threat to this dying culture. Let me tell you something, AN AMERICAN= ANYONE THAT IS A U.S. citizen. That can be an Armenian or a Chinese or a Black or an ITalian or a xxxish person.

If you are too mentally impaired to see the dire indepth consequences of mixing then refer to history. We are ALL mixed in some form or way (hence why some Armenians have the Turkic Arabic features e.g. thin lipped slanty eyes dark complexions and short). However, SOME are more mixed than others. I am sorry but please have a small idea about what you are talking about before you write again. Armenians are Europeans everywhere else except in Ca which is the grotto of shallowness.

[Disciplinary]

Mixing is a big deal because there are a lot of privy concepts that your miniscule brain cannot grasp. Mixing leads to downfalls and that is something this tiny population of 6 million cannot afford. One thing leads to another because there are various dire consequences of mixing. There is lack of care then there is lack of vitality then there is an absence of an ethnic ID which if it effaces you will become no good in society.

You want proof? Observe: Assyrians, large vast powerful people once upon a time right? Because they dont have their culture or land anymore they are CONSIDERED NON-EXISTENT. They technically DO NOT EVEN EXIST anymore. And after all of that, if you still see nothing past your selfish desires and motives, then you are in need of a lobotomy.

[Disciplinary]

What I meant by that is....there is no reason to be upset (for her at least)....thats all. Im just tring to make her feel better. And no I dont know much of this stuff..Im only learning by reading from you guys. And no one being stubborn...If she is wrong then she is wrong...im not going to put her down for it. Im sorry if I offended anyone by saying that.


Your "trying to make her feel better" distorts and sugar-coats reality and that thwarts us as a whole from comprehending the truth. If it was all based upon pussified "feelings" then why do we even have a heirarchy?

"It is not NICE :( and it makes others feel bad that they are not the president or have as much money :crying: "

[MadHandle]

^^^^I personally think Armenia has mor common with the Asian world then the European, plus its geographically Asian.

[XxgoeyxX]

Your "trying to make her feel better" distorts and sugar-coats reality and that thwarts us as a whole from comprehending the truth. If it was all based upon pussified "feelings" then why do we even have a heirarchy?

"It is not NICE :( and it makes others feel bad that they are not the president or have as much money :crying: "


Your right I was sugar-coating what I said. Yet I have to explain why I posted what I posted once again. She is my friend. She said she was upset so I tired to comfort her. Like I said Im sorry if that offended anyone. Therefore, I guess I'm just as guilty as those people you were talking about in your other thread. Maybe I was one of those people. But that doesnt matter now. What matters is that you are right and I shouldnt have butt in their converstion.

[fIReBuRntInHeLL]

Yes, human beings are generally hypocrites, but women are sexual hypocrites.

According the logical analogies this goes : Women are sexual hypocrits
men are general hypocrits
men and women are humans
humans are Hypocrits!!!!
there u go!

End Of Story


Back to the topic

[fIReBuRntInHeLL]

anony you are the moron, and thats why you attack people... yes i do know about linguists, and philology these are the studies of literary language... it is clear to me that if you believe in everything you are taught in some book then you are the moron because you offer no form of true and original critic to any issue... all you have is rhetoric, no substance, i read what you have to say, and its just a bunch of nonsense, the only thing you have going for you is a big dictionary on the side and the spell checker... you are well spoken for those reasons... and maybe you heard a conversation somewhere and read up on the topic in a summary form...

but truly it isnt just what some historian says or what some linguist says... you must be critical of the standard teachings, after all they only prove that the 'white man" is the one who came up with astromony, or science, or any other form of social study... that isnt true... we armenians are not german or greek... but there is more then enough proof to show certain things were invented by armenians like the calendar... like the electronic calculator, like the rubic cubic... and so on...

but no historian will tell you that...

and no linguist will tell you that armenians are original, because we all have a yearning to be the ones who created the mose productive things in this world... so a german guy thinks germans were the one who first created engineering, the light the mathemtical forlumas... etc... however we dont know the unspoken invetor whose inventions were probably stolen from the him or her by a rich b!tch and you can go on from there...

anony you are the moron... you have nothing buy rhetoric... armenians who are critical will not take what some one has written in a book... i know i know armenian professors teach the same thing...

but like i said professors arent always critical either...


I think u have no cule of what ur talking about. U have some misconceptions about the whole indo-european language chain. I suggest u start all over again from elementary until high school and make sure U UNDERSTAND every thing. Read it carefully EVERYTHING. There is no need to be offended from the fact that armenians are not pure, none of the nations that exist today are pure, so is the language. OK? is it clear? you are kind of confused and u have mixed all your knowledges together. Sorry for telling u the truth just like that but Daaaaaamn! ur misinformed and clueless. Davay sksi girk kartal. Amota vor tents baneres durs talis u mezel xaytarakum. Angraget axchik.

But deep inside my heart I love u.

[!EEK]

Who? Nunechka? :laugh: :D :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:

don't be offended nune :p

[nunechka]

saying mean things in armenian just sound so much worse then they realy are... :(

i will try and recover myself...

[fIReBuRntInHeLL]

saying mean things in armenian just sound so much worse then they realy are... :(

i will try and recover myself...

Someone is hurt. AWWW :rolleyes:

[!EEK]

I never tried to write in armenian with western letters..let me try some bad words:

Abouchin meg en ess. Kezi bidi mertzenem echoun tzake

[fIReBuRntInHeLL]

I never tried to write in armenian with western letters..let me try some bad words:

Abouchin meg en ess. Kezi bidi mertzenem echoun tzake

Yavriges tun shad bzdiges vor intzi mertsnes, XIAR.

[nunechka]

herika... k'bave

yalla i gotta go to a meeting... :D

[!EEK]

oooh tried to play the hard-to-get business woman huh? ;) :wave:

[!EEK]

Thank you for the tips but remember I'm not american...my "ou" is the same as your "oo"

[nunechka]

OMG, you people are silly... seriously is there a correct spelling in the english language of armenian words??? NO! HELL! NO!!! as long as you can get close enough to the pronounciation, that is PERFECT!!! but there is no "correct" spelling...

eek i didnt find reading your english letter armenian words a problem... i knew what you were saying... but if you had written it in armenian, and you spelled it wrong i would point it out... but i digress, it makes no difference in english or in another language, EXCEPT FOR armenian...

[XxgoeyxX]

I would like to say there is nothing wrong with non-pure armenians!......But thats just my opinion. You guys dont have to agree :crying:

[Genuine_Stud]

I would like to say there is nothing wrong with non-pure armenians!......But thats just my opinion. You guys dont have to agree :crying:

I agree with her....but I'm going to cry for a different reason.

This useless thread has gone on WAAAYYYY TOO LONG :crying: and i hope you guys agree.

[!EEK]

But at least in this thread we sticked to the subject

[nunechka]

i agree genuin, definetly too long...

[chille]

I agree with that! I kept reading it but never thought of posting anything, because people kept repeating each using different words!

[fIReBuRntInHeLL]

Obviously you've never heard of teh relatively large Ethopian-Armenian population since Black Armenians flip me out more than Asian ones. I actually don't have too much information on this but I will certainly get some to show. Basically, (I don't remember why), a large group of Armenians moved to Ethiopia and inter-married and had children with Ethiopians, however the kept the culture very strong there to the point where there are people who look totally black speaking Armenian, eating Armenian food and following Armenian traditions in Ethiopia right now. I wish I had more information because this all sounds so unbelievable you may think I'm making it up, but I've been absolutely facinated with this subject since I first heard about it.

I heard about them, my middle school armenian teacher taught us that even their belief is the same,they r chirtian orthodox and their churche ceremonies r similar to the ones that we have. Back in Europe were I lived they were lots of these Ethiopian who did their wedding ceremonies in armenian church. So thats true.

[jdk]

Man, what a lot of angst on this board!

I just have a gentle question to ask you, if you don't mind.

My husband (who was Armenian) lived in Dire Dawa for most of his life before he moved to the US. Do you know of any members of your community who lived in Dire Dawa and might have known Mihran Kazandjian (my husband's father) and his family? Mihran probably knew people in Addis as well and my husband, Varoujan, worked for the Singer Sewing Machine Co. in Addis in the (I think) 1960's.

I'd be interested in hearing from you in any case.