Socio-racial survey for Armenian members

[Tigranes]

Which one describes you better culturally and racially.

[!EEK]

I don't know what to vote for and I'm sure I'm not the only one....

Most of us are born/raised in Western countries but have parents from Middle East. Some of us look more european and others look more middle eastern..

[Tigranes]

I don't know what to vote for and I'm sure I'm not the only one....

Most of us are born/raised in Western countries but have parents from Middle East. Some of us look more european and others look more middle eastern..

So you don't know what and who you are?
Most of us are European, hence we look European. Those that don't are obviously not Armenian or mixed.

Only the descendants of the survivors of the Armenian Holocaust have parents from ME. Before the Holocaust there were hardly any Armenians in ME.

[!EEK]

I know I was European/white but my family's armenian side is from lebanon...but I 've got nothing to do with Lebanon..so I guess I vote Euro

[Tigranes]

I know I was European/white but my family's armenian side is from lebanon...but I 've got nothing to do with Lebanon..so I guess I vote Euro

Correct.
The fact that they were from Lebanon means nothing.
Many if not most Lebanese are White descendants of Greeks, Armenians and Crusaders (Franks). They just happen to speak the vile arab language and are used to their primitive mentality.

[Anonymouse]

I don't think my fair skin and green eyes constitute "mixed".

[MadHandle]

I would say middle eastern


and I accidently voted for Asia, it should be 2 votes for middle east

[IAmMadAtAC]

Haha good, I hope NO ONE picks Asian. That'd just be dumb. All my odar friends don't consider me white solely because I'm "Armenian" and that's foreign to them. Clearly that means I'm not white then, even though I look pretty European. I have dark hair, but my complexion is only a bit olive, as opposed to dark like a lot of Armenians I know. I'm quite a bit whiter than most Armenians I know and most odars who don't know what I am think I'm Italian or something. I think Armenians should be considered Europeans/white (though there are some that really don't look white so it makes it hard to say it for all!) I mean, hey if TURKEY gets accepeted to the EU and they clearly originated from East Asia, then there is no doubt Armenians are European, not that that's a determinant. If they let Turkey in the EU, that'd be just about as sensical as letting China in but whatever this has become convoluted.

[!EEK]

Turkey won't come in UE...I live in Europe and visited most of the european countries and I swear, the only people willing that Turkia enters europe are turkish immigrants. Most of political entities from extreme left to extreme right aren't in favor of Turkia's enter in UE.



I AM MAD ATAC, do you look a bit like me? ---->profile!!

Because I don't have dark hairs, dark tan,etc...

[Thai-Samurai]

I picked mixed because I try to be like everybody.

[Anonymouse]

I picked mixed because I try to be like everybody.

If there was an option for 'lame', you should pick that.

[IAmMadAtAC]

I AM MAD ATAC, do you look a bit like me? ---->profile!!

Because I don't have dark hairs, dark tan,etc...

Well you don't really look like me too much, but also you don't look that Armenian either. You'd definitely be classified as white, like all Armenians should. But you are more "white" than most Armenians. I have darker hair than you, but about the same complexion.

[Thai-Samurai]

No, this would be lame;

The question asks, "Which one describes you better culturally and racially?"
Culturally and Racially?
Well geez? I'm Armenian. There's no Armenian option. Hey how come there's no Armenian option? That would be lame.

I however try to learn from each culture. German's have good philosophy, Kierkegaard, Nietszche, Goethe, Carl Jung. Chinese have Confucius, Mencius, Taoists. Kung Fu. Acupuncture, and understanding of Chi. Indians have Buddhism, Yoga, Kundalini. Japanese have Zen, and Samurais. Native Americans have attuned themselves w/ living w/ nature 100%. Egyptians have highly worked out mythology and psychological symbolism. French? uh, let's skip the French.
The British have Monty Python and the Holy Grail (and British humor). Australians have their digiridoo's and circular breathing. Arabs invented math.
So I guess my point is, I picked mixed because If I picked only one I would be missing out from a lot of things I could be benefiting from.

[Tigranes]

No, this would be lame;

The question asks, "Which one describes you better culturally and racially?"
Culturally and Racially?
Well geez? I'm Armenian. There's no Armenian option. Hey how come there's no Armenian option? That would be lame.

I however try to learn from each culture. German's have good philosophy, Kierkegaard, Nietszche, Goethe, Carl Jung. Chinese have Confucius, Mencius, Taoists. Kung Fu. Acupuncture, and understanding of Chi. Indians have Buddhism, Yoga, Kundalini. Japanese have Zen, and Samurais. Native Americans have attuned themselves w/ living w/ nature 100%. Egyptians have highly worked out mythology and psychological symbolism. French? uh, let's skip the French.
The British have Monty Python and the Holy Grail (and British humor). Australians have their digiridoo's and circular breathing. Arabs invented math.
So I guess my point is, I picked mixed because If I picked only one I would be missing out from a lot of things I could be benefiting from.



There's no such thing as an Armenian race!
Armenians are an ethnicity within the greater White race.
Predominantly of the Mediterranean and Dinaric subraces with Alpine, Nordic and Armenoid minorities.

[TigranJamharian]

totally agree with last 2 posts.

[MadHandle]

I don't think Armenians are just European, Asian or Middle Eastern. There is a fair mixture between all of them. You can even find many...many arabic words Armenian langauge even.

[Tigranes]

I don't think Armenians are just European, Asian or Middle Eastern. There is a fair mixture between all of them. You can even find many...many arabic words Armenian langauge even.


If you have that "fair mixture" keep it to yourself, don't degrade the rest of us.

If you're not White/European you CANNOT be Armenian.
That's a pre-requisite of being Armenian.

There are no Arabic words in Armenian. If some morons use Arabic/Turkish/Iranian etc. words in their filthy and corrupted form of Armenian it's their God damn tragedy not ours.

[MadHandle]

Look Armenia isn't even geographically considered European...I don't see what the big deal is here...its in Asian territory...what do you expect. I'm speaking of a literal point..of how people all over the world look at Armenia.

[Thai-Samurai]

I don't know about that my Armenian history teacher told me 60% of Armenian loan words are Persian.

[Thai-Samurai]

Armenia is supposed to have it's own branch in the Indo-European lang. tree. There's different evidences of where Armenians came from, A Greek one is that they were originally Greek and moved to Armenia, theres one that says that they were always there. And one or two more.

[sleuth]

Look Armenia isn't even geographically considered European...I don't see what the big deal is here...its in Asian territory...what do you expect. I'm speaking of a literal point..of how people all over the world look at Armenia.


We belong European race group ( the branch of south european -> branch of Balkan -Caucasian race -> Armenoid type) .I didn't make this up.

It's truly pathetic.

[TigranJamharian]

There is no such thing as armenoid. that is some made up shyt and even though i agree with you the word armenoid has negative connotations from what i remember. And yes i share you're guys dissapointment and anger that some Armenians still consider themselves not white but you shouldnt get angry at them just try to explain to them where you are coming from.

[!EEK]

Armenia will maybe enter the Union in 30 years if no more...... a lot of people still don't agree with eastern european countries joining the EU..why would they for Armenia?

Don't get me wrong, I really want armenia to join the EU but I only count as 1 person :(

[xBaron Dants]

Hayer...why this insecurity? Why this aggressive longing to be considered "European"? Do we have anything to hide?

First of all... Armenia in the EU in 10-20 years? And can you tell me why the EU would eagerly embrace a country fighting poverty and corruption, and who is still at war with its neighbour? Because we're Christian? Or is it because we have a nice culture? Think with LOGIC guys, not idealized emotions. Heck, do we even know if we want to join the EU? Has any Armenian delegation filled out a report on the pros and cons of joining the EU if ever the opportunity arised? Would it benefit us economically, culturally, militarily? I'm not saying yes nor am I saying no...but don't you think we should know these things before becoming pathetic beggars willing to bend over backwards so the EU might give us a sticker? Same goes for the border issue with Turkey. Some will say we must open them because we need money, while others say it must stay closed because they have not accepted the genocide. Once again, has anybody actually investigated the pros and cons?

As for Armenians and our eternal obsession with being European...
Armenian is an Indo-European language. So is Hindi. Does that prove anything?
Our culture, in my opinion, cannot be classified as one or the other. Part of our folk music (Gomidas stuff, for example) is more "European", while other instruments, such as the kanon, zurna and so on are used mostly by Middle-Eastern cultures. Are we to deny that we enjoy the zurna now? That would be a shame..

From what I have seen, we are mostly white, but a considerable part of us have a darker complexion. Do we rule these people out as "fake" Armenians, or "unpure" Armenians so we fit in more in our European fantasy? In the end, what are we more attached to? Arnenian culture, or European culture?

I would've thought the choice would be pretty obvious..

[MadHandle]

Hayer...why this insecurity? Why this aggressive longing to be considered "European"? Do we have anything to hide?

First of all... Armenia in the EU in 10-20 years? And can you tell me why the EU would eagerly embrace a country fighting poverty and corruption, and who is still at war with its neighbour? Because we're Christian? Or is it because we have a nice culture? Think with LOGIC guys, not idealized emotions. Heck, do we even know if we want to join the EU? Has any Armenian delegation filled out a report on the pros and cons of joining the EU if ever the opportunity arised? Would it benefit us economically, culturally, militarily? I'm not saying yes nor am I saying no...but don't you think we should know these things before becoming pathetic beggars willing to bend over backwards so the EU might give us a sticker? Same goes for the border issue with Turkey. Some will say we must open them because we need money, while others say it must stay closed because they have not accepted the genocide. Once again, has anybody actually investigated the pros and cons?

As for Armenians and our eternal obsession with being European...
Armenian is an Indo-European language. So is Hindi. Does that prove anything?
Our culture, in my opinion, cannot be classified as one or the other. Part of our folk music (Gomidas stuff, for example) is more "European", while other instruments, such as the kanon, zurna and so on are used mostly by Middle-Eastern cultures. Are we to deny that we enjoy the zurna now? That would be a shame..

From what I have seen, we are mostly white, but a considerable part of us have a darker complexion. Do we rule these people out as "fake" Armenians, or "unpure" Armenians so we fit in more in our European fantasy? In the end, what are we more attached to? Arnenian culture, or European culture?

I would've thought the choice would be pretty obvious..

I couldn't have said it better...

[sleuth]

There is no such thing as armenoid. that is some made up shyt and even though i agree with you the word armenoid has negative connotations from what i remember. And yes i share you're guys dissapointment and anger that some Armenians still consider themselves not white but you shouldnt get angry at them just try to explain to them where you are coming from.

The Armenoid type has the following physical characters: Height and build, medium; head short from back to front, with large and fleshy nose turned down towards the tip. The lips are rather prominent. The hair is black and curly, the skin is of the swarthy colour, and the eyes are black or brown. It is a marked feature of this race that the skull goes straight up at the back; in other words, the Armenoid has "no back to his head." There is also a tendency for the eyebrows to "meet" over the nose The chin is usually poorly developed.

Tigran: you are right Armenoid has negative indication . Well,who said we are perfect? :)

[Hayq]

Why can't we just be Armenian and proud of it? Does everything have to end with a mass murder of millions of people? Cmon now!

There are White European Armenians, there are Dark Skinned Armenians, there are blonde armenians and there are blach haired armenians, ones with big noses and others with smalls..we all are Armenians. And since when has there been such thing as an Armenian Race? We are a mixture of different people that have united under a common tongue. EOM!

[xBaron Dants]

Yay! Another self-confident, conscious, and proud Armenian!
More power to you Hayq!

[xBaron Dants]

I never said that we should define our race as "Armenian". Frankly, I just don't care much about what race we fall in.

[Hayq]

Yup. We are Armenian, our own style of people. We have lived close Russia and the Middle East, and have adopted many of their ways. We also ahve lived in Europe and America, adding more to our uniqueness. Just let it be, bro. Lol but no inter-racial sh*t. haha, not my style.

[XxgoeyxX]

Just let it be, bro. Lol but no inter-racial sh*t. haha, not my style.

Are you sure Hayq??..I can swear I remember you talking about a marrying a smart white religous girl and something about psychology.


Your so funny.

[!EEK]

14 votes for white....I wonder who voted "Asian"..

*slowly turns his eyes and looks at Thai Samurai

Why isn't it a poll where we can see who voted what :confused:

[!EEK]

Oh , ok so I was wrong.

*not looking at Thai Anymore

[xBaron Dants]

Jahannam raises a good point, that I wish to stretch a bit further.

Armenian culture has developed in two main cities, Constantinople and Tiflis.

The culture developed in Constantinople was highly influenced by European countries, France being the most important of them. Tiflis was influenced more by Russia.

At the same time, however, the Armenian villages were obviously influenced by the surrounding environment, which was comprised of Persians, Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Greeks, yevayln.

So as we can see, our "urban culture" (literature, classical music,yevayln) tends to be more "Western" or "European", while our "earthly culture" (traditions, yevayln) are more influenced by the region.

Perfect combination in my opinion.

Btw, Jahannam, I find it surprising that you feel closer to Arabic culture than Armenian. It's definitely not the case for my family...

[Hayq]

"Are you sure Hayq??..I can swear I remember you talking about a marrying a smart white religous girl and something about psychology. "

Inter racial and inter ethnic is different. Inter racial as White and BLack, Yellow and Black, White and Yellow. Armenians techniically are white, but European, some are and some others.

[Azgaser]

I don't understand this.

[XxgoeyxX]

Inter racial and inter ethnic is different. Inter racial as White and BLack, Yellow and Black, White and Yellow. Armenians techniically are white, but European, some are and some others.


You are funny....I was right Again. :D

[Tigranes]

Interesting. 15 out of 20 are Armenians.
75% is not bad at all.
Lets make it 100%.

[Tigranes]

I wouldn't call it "closer"...
I love Armenian music... and khorovadz and Herisa!
but when I'm on the dance floor lets say... I'd rather hear Amr Diab singing than Tata lol
so it depends on the mood.


We Armenians do not differentiate Tata and Amr Diab. It's the same non-Armenian filth. Armenian folk music is reminiscent to Irish and Greeks folk music. The stuff that Diasporans call "kef" music and Armenians from ROA and CIS call "rabiz" music has nothing Armenian in it.

I don't blame you for what you are, it's not your fault you ended up in that God forsaken middle east because of the Genocide. However, I do blame you and others like you for not aspiring to embrace your Western culture dropping the oriental influences that was forced on to you.

[Tigranes]

if you think that ALL of us should've chosen "white european"... since you say...

then, with all my respect, you've asked the main question the wrong way.

specially for those of us born and raised in the diaspora, culture and race become two very different aspects!
now in my case I was raised in the middle east (syria).
so what happens? as soon as I enter the thread and I see "which describes you best culturally..." , I think "middle eastern"... why? you ask? because despite of the fact that I'm racially a "white/caucasian" and everytime I fill out an application, that's what I choose, when it comes to "culture", I prefer arabic food and music over Armenian, I've read more arabic books than Armenian, I'm more familiar with arabic social traditions because I was raised among those people!.
and so I vote Middle Eastern!
and I think the fact that you used the word "cultural" before "racial" kinda helped.
now if you would please be respectful of others. storming out at people because they didn't make the "right choices" according to YOU (which, you shouldn't have started a poll to start out with, if you thought ALL of us would describe ourselves as "european") won't get you anywhere.


My apologies for not elaborating.

I believe that for one to be Armenian they ahve to be both racially and culturally Armenian. Same goes to Italians, Hellenes, Germanics, Celts, Slavs etc.

For example, millions of Turks are racially/biologically White/European whose ancestors where Armenians, Greeks and other Europeans but culturally and mentally they are not. 70% of Albanians are not White/European because they have a foreign non-Western culture and their religion is islam, same goes to Bosniaks, Chechens, Tatars (turkified finns) etc.

[Hayq]

Goey, you are an arse.

[XxgoeyxX]

Goey, you are an arse.

HAHA dude chillix. I wasnt making fun of you....if u dont like my comment tough..but stop justifying yourself.

BTW read my signature I do hope you realize I was messing with you..omgosshh ppplllllllll.............

[!EEK]

Goey, you are an arse.

If you continue with your stupid comments, I'll have to ban you.

[XxgoeyxX]

If you continue with your stupid comments, I'll have to ban you.

No EEk dont ban him........... he is cool. It was just a missunderstanding.

[!EEK]

No EEk dont ban him........... he is cool. It was just a missunderstanding.

You are right, we don't ban stupidity here..

[MadHandle]

How are Armenians gonna be European when Europe doesn't even recognize you...like I said Armenia is just not all European...I lived there enough to experiece a lot of things, traditions, way of living, etc...and I can tell you its a mixture of European, middle eastern,etc...Theres nothing wrong with diversity, you can't just classify it into one group.

[Tigranes]

How are Armenians gonna be European when Europe doesn't even recognize you...like I said Armenia is just not all European...I lived there enough to experiece a lot of things, traditions, way of living, etc...and I can tell you its a mixture of European, middle eastern,etc...Theres nothing wrong with diversity, you can't just classify it into one group.


Speak for yourself. If you don't recognize yourself as a European why would other Europeans recognize you?
Like I said before, a negro or a paki in London that speaks English, goes to an Anglican Church, fights for England and has an English name is NOT English and will never be.
You can have your multiracial/multicultural diversity all you want, we will fight it. Avarayr is a testament to that.

[Thai-Samurai]

Armenians should just take this oppurtunity of Independence to restrengthen their culture, and even discover new things that we can adopt into our culture. Which I beleive we're doing. It's only been about 10 or 15 yrs since we've become independent. So just give it time.

[xBaron Dants]

We Armenians do not differentiate Tata and Amr Diab. It's the same non-Armenian filth. Armenian folk music is reminiscent to Irish and Greeks folk music. The stuff that Diasporans call "kef" music and Armenians from ROA and CIS call "rabiz" music has nothing Armenian in it.

I don't blame you for what you are, it's not your fault you ended up in that God forsaken middle east because of the Genocide. However, I do blame you and others like you for not aspiring to embrace your Western culture dropping the oriental influences that was forced on to you.

And who, may I ask, has bestowed upon you this right and responsibility to judge who or what is Armenian enough? Is it the World Council of Superior Armenians?

Can you give me an example of real Armenian folk music?

I agree that Tata is not traditional Armenian music, but every culture has its different levels. No culture is based solely on classical music and poetry. You need a little of everything, even if some parts of it may be "unorthodox". And once again, this does not apply only to Armenians.

Also, the "oriental influences" of which you speak are not present only in the diaspora. You can see a lot of it in Armenia itself. The people's hospitality, the different traditions and the more-laid back attitude (as opposed to the colder and more production-oriented Western mentality) has not been imposed on anybody. It is a part of our culture that has been there for a loooong time, which can also be found in Middle Eastern traditions aaaand Eastern or Mediteranean Europe (such as Greece, yevalyn).

So once again, Armenia finds itself at a crossroads.

[MadHandle]

Speak for yourself. If you don't recognize yourself as a European why would other Europeans recognize you?
Like I said before, a negro or a paki in London that speaks English, goes to an Anglican Church, fights for England and has an English name is NOT English and will never be.
You can have your multiracial/multicultural diversity all you want, we will fight it. Avarayr is a testament to that.

You said that if I don't recognize myself as Eurpean then Europeans shouldn't recognize me either and then you said that a British citizen( "a paki or a negro") does adopts European beliefs and in return Britain or Europe doesn't recognize them anyway.....some irony for you. Just accept it...its not historical times anymore.

Armenians are spread all over the world and don't have any other choice but to incorporate some of that country's beliefs. Your saying that Armenians in middle east aren't Armenian anymore? They probably have more Armenian pride then some Armenians living in Armenia. And Armenian culture today( the one where mostly people call European), etc...is 70% or even more influenced by the former USSR, not by Europe...hell, even Kazaghstan has similar housing, streets, beliefs, etc...all transplated by USSR. I'm pretty sure the pre-USSR Armenia would of had more influences from those middle eastern countries. by the way, I got nothing against USSR, I'm actually thankful of the it cause if it wasn't for them, there probably wouldn't be Armenia today.

[xBaron Dants]

While my position on the issue is clear, I'd like to say that Gomidas has worked and studied for a long time in Western European countries, and many of his pieces tend to sound more Western than Eastern.

Once again, the other part of his work, which consisted of archiving Armenian folk music from village to village, and which includes Dle Yaman, yevayln, definitely sounds a lot more regional.

[Tigranes]

Can you give me an example of real Armenian folk music?

Listen to Bambir or Gor Mkhitarian for a more modern sound.
Komitas also.
Rouben Hakhverdian's or Arthur Meschians' toenail is more Armenian than all the rabiz dimwits put together.


I agree that Tata is not traditional Armenian music,

It's not Armenian period.

but every culture has its different levels.

No it doesn't.

No culture is based solely on classical music and poetry.

I didn't say it is.

Also, the "oriental influences" of which you speak are not present only in the diaspora. You can see a lot of it in Armenia itself. The people's hospitality, the different traditions and the more-laid back attitude...[/quote]

I didn't say it's only in the Diaspora. In the Diaspora it's Arabic/Turkish while in Armenia it's Iranian/xxxish/Kavkaz.


(as opposed to the colder and more production-oriented Western mentality) has not been imposed on anybody.

Is that a joke? What do you call 600 years of pathetic existance as slaves under subhuman savages? Surely nothing has been imposed, Armenians killed themselves during the Genocide too :rolleyes:

It is a part of our culture that has been there for a loooong time, which can also be found in Middle Eastern traditions aaaand Eastern or Mediteranean Europe (such as Greece, yevalyn).

It didn't exist until the fall of our last Kingdom.
While it can be found in Greece and in the Balkans as well, they are at least fighting it and restoring their own culture and traditions instead of giving up like you.

[Tigranes]

do you realize how pathetic that sounds??
DROP the oriental influences???

I do realize how pathetic you sound.

have you NOT heard original Armenian music before?

I have, evidently you have not.

with one of the duduks holding down a single note throughout???

eh?


I would like to hear what part of Sayat Nova or Gomidas is Western.

Sayat Nova is hardly Armenian. It's regugitated Turkish/Arabic/Persian/Caucasus tribal music.

Komitas is quite untouched even though it has slight primitive influnces from savages.

REALLY!
or may be you call Aram Khachadourian's "sword dance" Armenian music??

Correct.


will you STOP wanting DESPARATELY to somehow tie Armenia to Europe?

Armenia is Europe. There's nothing to tie.


cuz it's never worked that way..

Say what?

and it probably never will!!!

Not for you.

but DO tell... about this so called "western" influence in Armenian MUSIC.

Go to a Church or better yet Armenia where you'll discover real Armenian music.


may be some examples??
cuz you obviously have no idea what the hell you're talkin about..

I gave some in the previous post.
I do know what i'm talking about, you have no clue because you're confused.

[xBaron Dants]

Bambir takes traditional Armenian and gives it a Celtic influence. Gor Mkhitaryan's banjo is as Armenian as the hot dog. Rouben Hakhverdian's style is more Russian than anything else.


And who said anything about giving up? We can both be fighting. We just have different opinions of what a worthy cause may be. Just tell me, what traditions must we get rid of exactly, and what must we replace it with?

[Tigranes]

You said that if I don't recognize myself as Eurpean then Europeans shouldn't recognize me either and then you said that a British citizen( "a paki or a negro") does adopts European beliefs and in return Britain or Europe doesn't recognize them anyway.....some irony for you. Just accept it...its not historical times anymore.

You're not very bright are you?
I specifically gave idiot firendly examples of Albanians.
If you're biologically European with a non-European culture you're out.
If you're biologically non-European(sub-saharan negroes or dravidian pakis) with a European ciulture you're out.


Armenians are spread all over the world and don't have any other choice but to incorporate some of that country's beliefs.

Like gypsies.
Consequences of the Genocide and the socio-economical crisis in the former USSR which will be corrected in a generation or two.

Your saying that Armenians in middle east aren't Armenian anymore?

Not quite. Many are but an alarming number aren't.

They probably have more Armenian pride then some Armenians living in Armenia.

I doubt it.

And Armenian culture today( the one where mostly people call European), etc...is 70% or even more influenced by the former USSR, not by Europe...

That's a very narrow viewpoint.

I'm pretty sure the pre-USSR Armenia would of had more influences from those middle eastern countries. by the way, I got nothing against USSR, I'm actually thankful of the it cause if it wasn't for them, there probably wouldn't be Armenia today.


You don't know much about Armenia and Armenians in the Middle Ages, Classical Hellenistic times or Ancient times do you?

[Tigranes]

Bambir takes traditional Armenian and gives it a Celtic influence. Gor Mkhitaryan's banjo is as Armenian as the hot dog. Rouben Hakhverdian's style is more Russian than anything else.

That's absurd :mad:


And who said anything about giving up? We can both be fighting. We just have different opinions of what a worthy cause may be.

True. It's sad though that Greeks could do it united while we're entangled in a social civil war.


Just tell me, what traditions must we get rid of exactly, and what must we replace it with?

I'm not talking about adoption but RESTORATION.
It's the little things that make a difference. All the turkish/arab words should be removed from the Armenian language (Greeks did it and are still working on it), all Turkish/Arab names must be removed (Mourad, Maral, Melik etc.), "rabiz" and "kef" destroyed, cuisine re-Armenianized without primitive dishes like lahmadjoun (even the name is Arabic)...

We can argue all we want. I think nature will take it's course now that we have the oppurtunity for self rule.


Let's keep it at this without starting a flame...

[xBaron Dants]

What I said is not absurd my friend. You're just in denial about certain things.

And I agree about removing non-armenian words from our vocabulary, as well as removing the Russian influence in grammar. No point to argue or debate that.

Adgé zad, I just think you're very biased about certain things. Things that are oriental should not be dismissed as primitive. But I think that's an issue that you have to work on yourself, and a completely different topic. Historically speaking, I don't see the Europeans as people that have acted in a much more civilized fashion.

But if we destroy kef music, a la Harout or Tata...to what do we party? Der Voghormia?

And what about musical pieces such as the ones composed by Khachatur Avetisian? Do these live up to your standards?

[Tigranes]

What I said is not absurd my friend. You're just in denial about certain things.

Your assumption is flawed. In your case though I don't think it's as much about denial but ignorance.

And I agree about removing non-armenian words from our vocabulary, as well as removing the Russian influence in grammar. No point to argue or debate that.

Actually having Russian words in Armenian is a natural evolution since both languages are IE, all our languages are connected, on the other hand having turkish or arabic words in Armenian is a degradation.

Adgé zad, I just think you're very biased about certain things.

You bet.

Things that are oriental should not be dismissed as primitive.

Of course not. I respect and admire the Chinese for example. My comments were directed towards Altaics and mohhamedans.


But I think that's an issue that you have to work on yourself, and a completely different topic. Historically speaking, I don't see the Europeans as people that have acted in a much more civilized fashion.

Diagnosis: you suffer from 60+ years of indoctrination within Western society that the White man is guilty of eevrything.

But if we destroy kef music, a la Harout or Tata...to what do we party? Der Voghormia?

You can't believe how many times I have heard that :D
Whenever I argue about this I mostly hear "Well what are you going to play at your wedding?". Give me a break, that's just pathetic.

Actually, I like Harout and his music. I would never call him rabiz.


And what about musical pieces such as the ones composed by Khachatur Avetisian? Do these live up to your standards?


I like Khachatur Avetisyan also :)

[xBaron Dants]

Yes, I'm definitely ignorant. The guitar and the banjo have definitely been part of our culture for centuries.

Gor Mkhitaryan himself lists American bands and musicians as his biggest influences, and says that he does not try to make "Armenian" music. But you'd know him better than he, right?

My point was not "what will I play at my wedding". My point was that every culture (or almost) has festive music too. I'd be interested in knowing what you would consider as ours.

And heck, I may be even more critical than you in certain regards. While I enjoy Harout's music, and he is fun to dance to, I don't consider most of his music as "real" Armenian.

Khachatur Avetisyan, in my opinion, represents the renaissance of our traditional music in the 20th century. Roupig Matevosian, Badalian, Ofelia Hambartsumian and all are the people I consider as the ones who sing our true traditional music. Our traditional dance, with its movements, is also much more "refined" than the arabic or kurdish one for example (by refined I mean that the movements are a lot more elegant and,um, noorp. Gomidas, of course, is the cleanest form of Armenian music we have. Aram Khachaturyan, on the other hand, has combined many elements of Georgian, Tcherkez and Kurdish music in his works.

And finally, the White Man is not guilty of everything. He's just not much better than anyone else.

[Azgaser]

Wow.. who the hell is this "Tigranes" clown?

"We Armenians do not differentiate Tata and Amr Diab."

Are you crazy? First of all it's not even the same type of music. Second, how could you possibly compare Tata to a star like Amr Diab?

[Tigranes]

Yes, I'm definitely ignorant. The guitar and the banjo have definitely been part of our culture for centuries.

Gor Mkhitaryan himself lists American bands and musicians as his biggest influences, and says that he does not try to make "Armenian" music. But you'd know him better than he, right?

My point was not "what will I play at my wedding". My point was that every culture (or almost) has festive music too. I'd be interested in knowing what you would consider as ours.

And heck, I may be even more critical than you in certain regards. While I enjoy Harout's music, and he is fun to dance to, I don't consider most of his music as "real" Armenian.

Khachatur Avetisyan, in my opinion, represents the renaissance of our traditional music in the 20th century. Roupig Matevosian, Badalian, Ofelia Hambartsumian and all are the people I consider as the ones who sing our true traditional music. Our traditional dance, with its movements, is also much more "refined" than the arabic or kurdish one for example (by refined I mean that the movements are a lot more elegant and,um, noorp. Gomidas, of course, is the cleanest form of Armenian music we have. Aram Khachaturyan, on the other hand, has combined many elements of Georgian, Tcherkez and Kurdish music in his works.

And finally, the White Man is not guilty of everything. He's just not much better than anyone else.

We can go on forever...

Honestly I really have no serious problem with people like you. We can work together for a brighter future. Not just cuz you're a racially sound specimen and we can't afford to alienate you but I believe you have the capacity for understanding what was done to us since the 15th century and how we can make the Armenian Phoenix rise back from the ashes.

[Tigranes]

Wow.. who the hell is this "Tigranes" clown?

"We Armenians do not differentiate Tata and Amr Diab."

Are you crazy? First of all it's not even the same type of music. Second, how could you possibly compare Tata to a star like Amr Diab?


Grey Wolf, I never heard of Amr Diab. I have no idea who or what it is.
I just assumed it's some popular towelhead singer.

[xBaron Dants]

We can go on forever...

Honestly I really have no serious problem with people like you. We can work together for a brighter future. Not just cuz you're a racially sound specimen and we can't afford to alienate you but I believe you have the capacity for understanding what was done to us since the 15th century and how we can make the Armenian Phoenix rise back from the ashes.

Haha! I'm a racially sound specimen you say? Hehe..you want my light-haired fair skinned self to produce many children, don't you? :laugh:

And I am glad that you consider me smart enough. You have yet to meet my standards though.

I know quite welll what has happened to us since the 15th century, and I do not need you to explain it to me because you think I have the capacity to understand it. Once again, I ask you. Who has granted you this right to alienate certain Armenians because they do not live up to your standards, and to "train" the other ones among us, who are now jumping for joy because we seem to have potential?

Just when you were starting to talk a little less radically and a little more logically, you go right ahead and piss me off with a comment like that.

[Tigranes]

Haha! I'm a racially sound specimen you say? Hehe..you want my light-haired fair skinned self to produce many children, don't you? :laugh:

As long as they're not raised as Armo wiggers.

And I am glad that you consider me smart enough. You have yet to meet my standards though.

I don't. I merely suggested you have the cognitive potential.

I know quite welll what has happened to us since the 15th century

If you knew you wouldn't have asked half the questions you did.

Once again, I ask you. Who has granted you this right to alienate certain Armenians because they do not live up to your standards, and to "train" the other ones among us, who are now jumping for joy because we seem to have potential?

The keyword is Armenians. All Armenians are one with one culture, race, language and history. Anyone outside those parameters and with different attributes is not Armenian. So i'm not alienating other Armenians if they are not Armenian in the first place.

Just when you were starting to talk a little less radically and a little more logically, you go right ahead and piss me off with a comment like that.

What did you expect from a fascist? :D
My logic has been quite reasonable and consistent thus far.

Bari gisher.

[xBaron Dants]

Well, this thread has certainly been very informative. At least I now know where that freak from the Armenian Aryan Party gets his votes from.

[Tigranes]

Well, this thread has certainly been very informative. At least I now know where that freak from the Armenian Aryan Party gets his votes from.


We don't really get along with Armen. He and others like him are megalomaniacs who think everything good on this earth was invented by Armenians and every important historical figure was Armenian while making a complete mockery of actual Armenian history.
They are also quite far from being Eurocentric...it's better than nothing though.

[angelik22]

If you continue with your stupid comments, I'll have to ban you.
i agree with eek

btw eeeeeeeeeeek i love u u are the cuttest thing ever... janaaaaaaaa :crying: cna i adopt you? hehehehe

[xBaron Dants]

...it's better than nothing though.

And still a lot worse than most of what's out there. :laugh:

[Tigranes]

And still a lot worse than most of what's out there. :laugh:


By 2020 (hey that seems the date on everyones mind regarding Armenia) we should have decent organized groups like in Hellas...XRYSH AUGH,
LAOS (Karatzaferis) and ELLINIKO METOPO !

[chille]

Tigranes, are you sure you are Armenian cuz for the past 10 posts you have been saying only negative things about Armenian culture... That's pretty disappointing to hear.

[chille]

I am definitely white European. I was born in a European country, raised there as well, so my Armenian identity has been influenced by the environment I grew up in. My friends in America think I am white, they never say I am caucasian though (well, my family is from the Caucasus, so I am more caucasian than they are, but they have a different understanding of the the term "caucasian"...).

[Anonymouse]

With the rate at which Mexicans are multiplying here in L.A. I say race matters every bit as much as someones breath. Come on folks, put things into perspective.

[Anonymouse]

I hear Armenians and Mexicans don't get along too well in the USA, is that true? If so why? Although I can guess.

Well, aside from the obvious nonsense of "diversity is a strength" there are factions within these ethnic groups, like all other ethnic groups, that are just plain expendable, and they stir up alot of nonsensical tension often times where there is none.

For example, in my highschool, the Armenian Mexican feud was a given. It would almost be odd if something was not an Armenian Mexican feud. Personally, I got along with everyone just fine because aside from the fact taht I couldn't give a rats ass about high school, these were just temporal people passing through my life so why bother? I'll save the fighting for inter family rivalry. For the most part, diversity is not a strength and when you stick all these different ethnic groups together and force them to integrate there will be alot of problems, and this isn't just confined to Armenians and Mexicans, the issues has been between Chinese and Vietnamese or Korean gangs, for example, or the Mexican and black violence.

[CatWoman]

I might be wrong, but I think Armenians as a race are considered caucasian thus white, but then again I read somewhere that Armenians are aryans, but I think we look white.... Now as far as culture goes, our culture is Armenian right? So this poll is missing the real option which should be white(racially)/Armenian(culturally) since the question is asking for both race and culture.

[xBaron Dants]

Agreed with CatWoman. Armenians are racially white, but culturally...Armenian.

[TigranJamharian]

Can you people stop referring to the word "Caucasian" as if it means anything besides white? The reason that all white people are referred to as caucasian has nothing to do with origins or anything like that, it originated simply because some british archeologist was diggin in the caucasus area and he found that the skulls there were extremely beautiful and therefore he used caucasian as a name for white and it stuck. if you dont believe me go do some research on it.

[Azgaser]

Grey Wolf, I never heard of Amr Diab. I have no idea who or what it is.
I just assumed it's some popular towelhead singer.

Then don't comment on things you don't know anything about, you white wannabe.

[!EEK]

Then don't comment on things you don't know anything about, you white wannabe.

lol, who's speaking, European wannabe :laugh: ...Comming from an European, I'm so sorry you can't get to enter EU :(

LOL,

Game over

Try again!
:wave:

[chille]

Can you people stop referring to the word "Caucasian" as if it means anything besides white? The reason that all white people are referred to as caucasian has nothing to do with origins or anything like that, it originated simply because some british archeologist was diggin in the caucasus area and he found that the skulls there were extremely beautiful and therefore he used caucasian as a name for white and it stuck. if you dont believe me go do some research on it.
Wow, that's interesting! I was always wondering where the term "caucasian" was coming from! Thanks! That's always good to know

[Tigranes]

Don't waste time on azgaser. He's from Iran and lives in Sweden now. Mother is most likely an Azeri/Parsik. He's a turk sympathizer.

SVARTSKALE = azgaser

[!EEK]

Don't waste time on azgaser. He's from Iran and lives in Sweden now. Mother is most likely an Azeri/Parsik. He's a turk sympathizer.

SVARTSKALE = azgaser


How do you know that....?

[Tigranes]

How do you know that....?

http://www.armeniancafe.com/
http://www.network54.com/Forum/281630
http://www.network54.com/Forum/187373

[Anonymouse]

lol, who's speaking, European wannabe :laugh: ...Comming from an European, I'm so sorry you can't get to enter EU :(

LOL,

Game over

Try again!
:wave:

You do know that Mr. Grey Wolf is a Turk masquerading as Armenian, right?

[Tigranes]

You do know that Mr. Grey Wolf is a Turk masquerading as Armenian, right?

Precisely. More like turkophile halfbreed from Iran, he does speak some Armenian Parskahay style.

[Hayq]

Why bash on Azgaser, Tigranes? Are you the one who constantly spams Armeniancafe?

Yes I am sure you are. Whenever there is a bash fest people mysteriously appear.

BTW, Armenians had the Genocide comming, and because we have not learned our lessons, another one is inevitable. Pathetic Armenians, we are going to get soo worked it is not even funny. Learn to work in a team for once people!!!

[Tigranes]

Why bash on Azgaser, Tigranes? Are you the one who constantly spams Armeniancafe?

Yes I am sure you are. Whenever there is a bash fest people mysteriously appear.

BTW, Armenians had the Genocide comming, and because we have not learned our lessons, another one is inevitable. Pathetic Armenians, we are going to get soo worked it is not even funny. Learn to work in a team for once people!!!

I don't post there.

Haykulik, dzent ktri ou rext paki. Herika et lakotin martu tegh dnes ay dmbo.

PS: We know who you are from our kraut friend Thomas.

[Hayq]

Oh sh*t, you know Tom? How is he doing....I miss Thomas :(

Lol That answers a lot of questions about you Tigo...

[Azgaser]

"I can't tell the difference between an Armenian and a Gothenburger." /Tigranes AKA Aramazd

[Hayq]

Tigranes is Aramazd?

[Armenian]

Hey, I am sooooooooooooooooooooooo glad I found this thread!!!

Metsn Tigo, is on a worldwide crusade yet again and he shall not stop until 'every' single Armenian in this world turns bleech blonde, begins to speak Grabar, eats corned beef and cabbage and listens to Bach.

Actually, that's not too bad, except for the corned beef part.

As far as the blonde part is concerned: When all is said and done, I really really hope that its just the girls that will turn blonde. I hate how blonde guys look, it's just not sexy.

Now, when do you guys think that Europe will invade Armenia?

[Hayq]

ARMENIAN! I believe the best way for Europe to invade Armenia is increase the standard of Armenian Universities and keep prices low so European Youth could come in and most likely stay. :)

If you mean miltarily then...NEVER!

BTW, are you the same Armenian from SF?

[Armenian]

BTW, are you the same Armenian from SF?

There is only one "Armenian."

Who may I ask are 'you' my very perceptive friend?

[Thai-Samurai]

[QUOTE=Hayq]ARMENIAN! I believe the best way for Europe to invade Armenia is increase the standard of Armenian Universities and keep prices low so European Youth could come in and most likely stay. :)

QUOTE]

what would that lead to? Do you think that's good or bad?

[Yuro]

A lot of people tell me that oh Armenia is Asian :mad: , or Middle Eastern :( . Once a priest asked me where I was from and when I replied Armenia, he said; - oh an exotic country :naughty: . I was like yeah :confused:, that's right???

Anyway, what do the people around you(and yourself) consider Armenia being? European, Asian, Mediterranean, or Middle Eastern?

Err, and I'd also like to know what's Armenia's modern Position? European or Asian. So many resources have different views. Baron Dants? :wave:

[!EEK]

Well, if your sticking to the geography, Armenia is middel eastern/asian because the region of the Caucasus is far beyond the European part of Russia (and beyond the Ural ..)...so there's no doubt about it.

But Armenia has always been a haven of christianity in an Islamic region, and has a rather western way of life *thanks* to the USSR. So we can't assimilate them with Middel Eastern populations.

In any case "Asia" was just made up..there are no clear boundaries (the ural isn't a real one). Historians/Geographs used it to differenciate their culture from the "barbarians"



And about the priester saying Armenia is exotic, there's nothing special about it.... For us, Australia, the US, etc... are exotics. "being or from or characteristic of another place or part of the world" thats the exact definition of exotic.

[xBaron Dants]

!eek, the southern border of Europe is considered by many to be the Caucasus, so anyone who argues that Armenia isn't part of Europe shouldn't say that it is "far beyond". It's mostly a matter of is the Caucasus the Southwestern part of Asia, or the South Eastern part of Europe? The answers vary depending on who you ask.

As for Armenia's modern position, I would consider it to be European because of the many European institutions it is now a member of, the Council of Europe being the most important one.

[Tigranes]

Well, if your sticking to the geography, Armenia is middel eastern/asian because the region of the Caucasus is far beyond the European part of Russia (and beyond the Ural ..)...so there's no doubt about it.

No. Those are socio-political boundaries. There is no geographic division in Eurasia. British Isles and Greenland are in Europe even though they're not part of the mainland...
The longest standing borders in the East were that of the Urals in the North and the Caspian in the South.

But Armenia has always been a haven of christianity in an Islamic region, and has a rather western way of life *thanks* to the USSR. So we can't assimilate them with Middel Eastern populations.

What a bunch of horsexxxx. USSR was hardly Western, if anything it de-Westernized Armenia as much as the asiatic nomads and the middle eastern savages did. Armenia is and was Western because of Armenians.

[!EEK]

What a bunch of horsexxxx. USSR was hardly Western, if anything it de-Westernized Armenia as much as the asiatic nomads and the middle eastern savages did. Armenia is and was Western because of Armenians.

Mass industrialisation, zeal (stakanovisme), building of infrastructures thanks to USSR's postion of first industrial power back then, research in nuclear can't be considered de-westernizing stuff. If you are thinking a mere US vs USSR cold war situation where only the "Free world" was western then you are wrong. We are not talking about communisme here or any other ideologies.

Of course, I won't argue with some thinking that unless I share the same ideas, I'm a horsexxxx.....

[!EEK]

No. Those are socio-political boundaries. There is no geographic division in Eurasia. British Isles and Greenland are in Europe even though they're not part of the mainland...
The longest standing borders in the East were that of the Urals in the North and the Caspian in the South..


I mentionned "Asia" was a purely fictional continent....

[Tigranes]

Mass industrialisation, zeal (stakanovisme), building of infrastructures thanks to russia's postion of first industrial power back then, research in nuclear can't be considered de-westernizing stuff. If you are thinking a mere US vs USSR cold war situation where only the "Free world" was western then you are wrong. We are not talking about communisme here or any other ideologies.

Of course, I won't argue with some thinking that unless I share the same ideas, I'm a horsexxxx.....

Russia did not exist back then :confused:

Most of that was pioneered by Armenians anyway.

You're talking about something completely different. Japan & S.Korea are Western :rolleyes:

Excerpts from "The Contribution of Armenians to the 20th Century Culture"

Natural Sciences and Technology
Since early history Armenians were known as skilled merchants that travelled far and wide which made them conversant in astronomy, geography, and mathematics. Thousands of years ago Armenians domesticated wild wheat and apricots. As early as the 9th century BC they cultivated grapes and made wine. Armenians processed metal already in the 6th millennia BC. One of the oldest Armenian states, The Nairi Araratian Kingdom (Urartu called by Assyrians & Armina by Greeks and Persians) came into being in the 9th century BC. Armenian culture flourished anew in the 20th century. Physiologist Levon Orbeli was Ivan Pavlov's closest associate and one of the founders of evolutionary physiology. With the advent of the Space Age Norayr Sissakian advanced the Soviet program of cosmic biology and medicine. Luigi Camician developed photochemistry. Chemist Ivan Knunyants made discoveries in photo-organic chemistry and synthesized capron, which was widely used in the industry. Nikoghayos Yenikopelian, a renowned physical chemist, made important discoveries of synthetic polymers. Vassil Tahirov upgraded viticulture in Armenia to a science and blended the first brandies that earned world-wide recognition. Astrophysicist Viktor Hambartsoumian succeeded Orbeli as the president of the Armenian Academy of Sciences and made substantial breakthroughs in the modern understanding of the evolution of the universe. Abraham Alikhanov was among the pillars of Soviet school of nuclear physics. He was one of the creators of the first heavy water nuclear reactor in the USSR. Samvel Kochariants was for many the mastermind behind three generations of Soviet nuclear weaponry. Sargis Saltikov developed new alloys and the discipline of stereometric metallurgy. Andranik Hovsepian was the pioneer of Soviet electrotechnical engineering, he was responsible for electrical guts of most rockets and designed Soviet Meteor meteorological satellites. Artem Mikoyan was the chief designer and founder of several generations of MIG jet fighters that ensured Soviet air domination in the 50's and continued to protect the borders several decades thereafter.

[!EEK]

Russia did not exist back then :confused:

.

..do you even read the other's post? I hate this attitude you have "I'm posting my opinion, xxxx the world"... I said USSR, not RUssia! I was speaking of modern day Russia only to discern the boundaries of Europe.

It's official.. I won't mind any of your post again...

[Tigranes]

..do you even read the other's post? I hate this attitude you have "I'm posting my opinion, xxxx the world"... I said USSR, not RUssia! I was speaking of modern day Russia only to discern the boundaries of Europe.

It's official.. I won't mind any of your post again...


What a lying sack of xxxx. You said Russia than you edited back to USSR after I pointed out the absuridty.
It shows that you edited!

[!EEK]

What a lying sack of xxxx. You said Russia than you edited back to USSR after I pointed out the absuridty.
It shows that you edited!


Well in any case Russia existed before USSR...So I'm sorry if you wanted to insult me... comon call me xxxxs, horsexxxxer, xxxxx..anything..it'll make me proud of not being you

[Anonymouse]

I think you people are forgetting that the idea of "Europe" and its boundaries have changed over time along with it the boundaries and idea of "Armenia". History is not static you fools.

[Hayq]

Armenia benifited heavily from the Soviet Union, and you can not doubt that. Alexandropol (leninakan, gyumri, whatever) was more of a city than yerevan, and most armenians hwo were wealthy came either from Baku or Tflis.

The most important thing that the Soviet Union took from Armenia was work ethic and honesty. Armenians, being good tradesmen, obviously find the fastest solutions to a problem. They always cut corners in the USSR because it was too easy. Plus, being tied into a grid doesnt help either.

So screw it, whats been done has been done and we need to build.

[Armenian]

Armenia benifited heavily from the Soviet Union, and you can not doubt that. Alexandropol (leninakan, gyumri, whatever) was more of a city than yerevan, and most armenians hwo were wealthy came either from Baku or Tflis.

The most important thing that the Soviet Union took from Armenia was work ethic and honesty. Armenians, being good tradesmen, obviously find the fastest solutions to a problem. They always cut corners in the USSR because it was too easy. Plus, being tied into a grid doesnt help either.

So screw it, whats been done has been done and we need to build.

I'm impressed. Very wise comments.

I would like to add:

Nothing pisses me off more than listening to well-fed and overly-pampered Diasporans xxxxx and complain endlessly about the young and fledgling Republic.

What is amazing is that most of the ugliest complaints I have ever seen have come from morons who have not even stepped foot in the nation.

[Hayq]

I'm impressed. Very wise comments.

I would like to add:

Nothing pisses me off more than listening to well-fed and overly-pampered Diasporans xxxxx and complain endlessly about the young and fledgling Republic.

What is amazing is that most of the ugliest complaints I have ever seen have come from morons who have not even stepped foot in the nation.

I have been to Armenia twice. Last summer was the most recent.

[Thai-Samurai]

how did u like it, were there fun things to do?

[TigranJamharian]

how did u like it, were there fun things to do?

the highlights of the trip were chasing two arabs down the street with a butcher knife and distributing rope to the Armenian population so that they could organize mass lynchings in the case of a negro attack.

[xBaron Dants]

the highlights of the trip were chasing two arabs down the street with a butcher knife and distributing rope to the Armenian population so that they could organize mass lynchings in the case of a negro attack.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAHHA!!!!!!!! IT HUUUURTS TO LAAAAAAAAAUGH!!!!

POOOOST OF THE YEAAAAAAR!!!!


(Speaking of which, are the FOscars coming up mods?)

[Thai-Samurai]

that description was actually very offensive.

[TigranJamharian]

i am glad you liked the post, but please use your indoor voice sir.

[xBaron Dants]

i am glad you liked the post, but please use your indoor voice sir.


Yea..sorry..I've been practicing that. Baby steps, baby steps..

[Tigranes]

Armenia benifited heavily from the Soviet Union, and you can not doubt that. Alexandropol (leninakan, gyumri, whatever) was more of a city than yerevan, and most armenians hwo were wealthy came either from Baku or Tflis.

The most important thing that the Soviet Union took from Armenia was work ethic and honesty. Armenians, being good tradesmen, obviously find the fastest solutions to a problem. They always cut corners in the USSR because it was too easy. Plus, being tied into a grid doesnt help either.

So screw it, whats been done has been done and we need to build.

Good post Hayko :)

Did you know that the real name of the city of Alexandropol is KUMAYRI? An ancient Armenian name. When the time came after independence to rename the city, the degenerate rabiz population voted against renaming the city back to its original Armenian name because it sounds too much like "kou mayri..."..."Gyumri" is vomit inducing.

[Hayq]

no, Tigranes, I did not know that. But I believe it, haha Leninakantsi are quite entertaining, good guys.

And no, Rocky, I did not do that. I tried the restaurants, went all around the country, went to Karabagh. Very nice scenery. The thing about Armenia i like is the feeling you get. Wherever you walk, you know that people 7000years ago had fought wars and died on the earth your feet are on. I felt watched whenever i went to sardarapat and zvartnots, the old churhces also give you a feeling of being watched. It is just too cool. If only there was an opportunity for work :(

[Anonymouse]

Unfortunately one of the Soviet legacies which far harmed Armenia than it helped, after all close to 70 plus years of Soviet bliss is enough to overturn any economy.

[CDN.Martin]

I'm part Armenian (Irish/Scottish/German too). I'm white, my mom's white. :wave:

[Anonymouse]

Another person from Stormfront. lol.

"Hey everyone my name is Pyunik and I'm a gene pool cleanser and I post on stormfront.org because I believe in Hitler".

[Hayq]

L O L Nice Avatar, Pyunik

Stormfront is hilarious, I am sure most are a bunch of punk white kids just talking sh*t. Nothing more.

Some news is alright, you get the racist side of the news.

[Anonymouse]

Um no. I visit stormfront for information, and I don't "believe" in Hitler, for many reasons. And "Gene Pool Cleanser" has nothing to do with race, I'm not Tigranes. You really don't know how wrong you are. Your response is basically the same as anyone elses, you havn't a clue wiseguy.

I was trying to get a reaction out of you. Thus it worked. :D

[Hayq]

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. :)

Heard it, funny character that Bush chap is.

[CDN.Martin]

"There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, fool me once, shame on—shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again."
— George W. Bush

LOL! Good stuff man. :laugh:

[leana]

hey dikran who said that there were no arminians in ME before the genocide.it's true that i'm the third or 4th generation here after the genocide but u can see in old histories that there were armenians be4 d holocaust in syria..

:rolleyes: So you don't know what and who you are?
Most of us are European, hence we look European. Those that don't are obviously not Armenian or mixed.

Only the descendants of the survivors of the Armenian Holocaust have parents from ME. Before the Holocaust there were hardly any Armenians in ME.

[Che_Ka]

No, there was quite a large Armenian community in Syria generations before the Genocide, and I am a descendant of that community.

My paternal grandmother's family had been in Aleppo, Syria for at least 3 generations before she was born (she can only account for 3 generations, who knows how far back it actually goes). Much of the community was Arabic-speaking by the time the new arrivals came from the Genocide. My grandmother didn't know a word of Armenian, but she still considered herself an Armenian.

Case in point: Soorp Karasoon Mangats church in the old city of Aleppo. It was built in the 13th or 14th century. And it's still used today. If you go, you'll notice that the gravestones of the clergymen who were buried there before the Genocide are all in Arabic, but they had Armenian names.

When the Genocide survivors came, the local Arab population had to differentiate between the two populations. They called the old Armenians "Arman Adami" (Old Armenian) - and it's still used today. It's quite interesting.

[Hayq]

Ah we have a beirutsi. Nice to have your POV.

[Che_Ka]

Not Beirutsi. Halebtsi, Halebtsi!! lol

Doesn't matter anyway: I prefer the all-encompassing Arevmdahay.

Or plain old hay. ;)

[!EEK]

Not Beirutsi. Halebtsi, Halebtsi!! lol

Doesn't matter anyway: I prefer the all-encompassing Arevmdahay.

Or plain old hay. ;)
So here's a question,

do you know what sarma yev leghmajoon are? :)

my two favourite armo food :p with gilli gilli

[Che_Ka]

Anshooshd kidem sarman yev lahmajunuh. :)

Payts gardzem te "sarma" anoonuh darper yergirnere hayerou hamar, darper nshaganootyoon ooni. Indzi hamar, sarman khaghoghi derevov patvadz mis yev prints eh. Oorishnerou hamar, im patsadradzs "dolma" eh, isg oorishnerou hamar "yalanji."

Okay, but what in the world is gilli gilli??? lol

Im amenasirsdz jashs "madzoonov kuifta"n eh. (mer undanikuh guh kordzadze arapagan anoonuh, kbe labaniyeh) -- have you heard of it?

[!EEK]

Anshooshd kidem sarman yev lahmajunuh. :)

Payts gardzem te "sarma" anoonuh darper yergirnere hayerou hamar, darper nshaganootyoon ooni. Indzi hamar, sarman khaghoghi derevov patvadz mis yev prints eh. Oorishnerou hamar, im patsadradzs "dolma" eh, isg oorishnerou hamar "yalanji."

Okay, but what in the world is gilli gilli??? lol

Im amenasirsdz jashs "madzoonov kuifta"n eh. (mer undanikuh guh kordzadze arapagan anoonuh, kbe labaniyeh) -- have you heard of it?

Babas beirutahye e..

Sarma nuine ne mezi hamar :khaghoghi derevov patvadz mis yev prints eh

Dolma al kindem, paits chem sirere dolma....Sarma amenen hamove en e

Gilli gilli is then a name my aunt made up lol.... I don't know how to explain it. It's a sort of soup with meat balls. There a lot of lemon in it and there is a variant where you add mazoon.


Medz mamas keufte al g'ene. Paits yess madzoon chem tener veran..chem sirrer mazoon+oorish geragoor


FUnny how I speak armenian when someone else does that :p

It so hard for me because I'm french speaking and the pronunciation is different... my "oun" is your "oon" , my "relog" is your "ghelok"

[Che_Ka]

Oooohhh, dolma's my favorite from the 3!

Okay, I thiiink I might know what gilli gilli is - does it use chicken broth? lol

Yete babat beirutahye e, mamat inch e?

Sorry about the pronunciation problems -- I never thought of it that way. You poor Europeans, always getting the short end of the stick. And now Turkey wants to join your Union...;)

[!EEK]

Oooohhh, dolma's my favorite from the 3!

Okay, I thiiink I might know what gilli gilli is - does it use chicken broth? lol

Yete babat beirutahye e, mamat inch e?

Sorry about the pronunciation problems -- I never thought of it that way. You poor Europeans, always getting the short end of the stick. And now Turkey wants to join your Union...;)

ehe....Our prime minister is the best at sarcasme... he said stuff only the current european memebers understood....I love him :D

Mamas hye che, she is a mixture of german, french, and swedish origines...altough I'm more french than the two others. In any case, my father took her to africa to "armenianyze" her :laugh: she speaks better armenian and knows a lot about armenia now..often more than me

[Che_Ka]

How did she become Armenianized in Africa??? lol

Many people in my family married odars, who have learned Armenian. And then there are those who married Armenians, but they choose to speak Arabic instead. grrrrrr pisses me off!!!

[xBaron Dants]

The question we are all asking ourselves is...

Why did your dad take your mom to AFRICA to armenianize her?


Yev che_ka, masnavor parevner oorish halebtsii me goghmé...:)

[Che_Ka]

Baron Dants - Khorhin shnorhagalootyoon guh haydnem koo cherm yev masnavor parevneroot hamar. Menk halebahayers kich enk, payts shad enk - ou ter bidi shadanank. No wait, that wasn't written for us, was it? lol

Really though, I get annoyed when someone labels us all Beirutsi just because we all use "gor." :)

Toon kani dareganit kaghtetsir Canada? Guh hishes Halebuh? Inchu guh hartsnem...Teyev yes hos dzner em, undanikis polor antamneruh Haleb dzner en. Avelin, keriners, morkours, horakouyrners, zarmigners -- poloruh ter Haleb g'abrin. 2001-i amaruh yes Haleb antsootsi... (By the same token, I still have a couple of morkours and an ammo here, too -- large family!)

[!EEK]

Why did your dad take your mom to AFRICA to armenianize her?
...:)


I dunno...he maybe tricked her in "fake vacations" :p

Dunno, just ask him

[Hayq]

aww, glad we are all integrating lovely with our new forumer...

(just wait until we get into the racist stuff)

[Che_Ka]

Ohhhh drama.

I gotta say - I feel kinda special to be the new forumer. lol

[leana]

Hey pyunik ,as you see that che-ka answered you instead of me…actually my sources was my Arab teachers. i have some professors in my university & they are interested in our history more than some Armenians here..& there is a huge number of Armen adim (old Armenians) in syria so it means that there were here b4 d genocide…
bye the way I'm also from Aleppo & hajuykov gartatsi polor krvadznere hadgabes hayerenov krvadznere vorovhedev shad ge tsavim yerp desnem hay mi hayeren khosil & gartal chi kider….
Yeah but not many. Traders and the like, not proper populations, except for maybe Jerusalem. If you can provide some information that proves what you said though, I am more than willing to read it.

[Anonymouse]

Hhahahaah
TARKMANICH EM UZUM!
AAnd I can't erember my msn password this sucks

Memory loss is the first sign of how the aliens chose you to be colonized. You better start running.

[Anonymouse]

i bet you got probe you//.

The second sign of being marked for alien abduction is not being able to construct proper sentences.

[pezeveng]

Those that vote European are ignorant and don't want to be associated with the middle east because of all the ignorant terrorist sterio-type that comes with the middle east. Look whats in your fridge folks if you know how to make hummos, do you eat pita bread or a french bagguette with your lunch and dinner, do you say yalla or chao (if you say chao your a queer), have you ever smoked from a nerguleh, do you prefer a shawarma or a souvlaki. Were middle eastern like it or not, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
Dont be a sheeshee foofoo European.

[Tigranes]

Those that vote European are ignorant and don't want to be associated with the middle east because of all the ignorant terrorist sterio-type that comes with the middle east. Look whats in your fridge folks if you know how to make hummos, do you eat pita bread or a french bagguette with your lunch and dinner, do you say yalla or chao (if you say chao your a queer), have you ever smoked from a nerguleh, do you prefer a shawarma or a souvlaki. Were middle eastern like it or not, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
Dont be a sheeshee foofoo European.

xxxx you and every piece of xxxx sandnigger like you.
If there were 1000 "Armenians" like you sinking in a boat and one Turk in another, I would rather save the Turk.

[Che_Ka]

In the case of Armenians, I think it's up to each person to decide what he or she "is." As for me, I don't think I am Middle-Eastern because I associate that with Arab and Muslim culture, and I don't think I am European, because although I have pale skin, I don't share that culture. I am Armenian. And when I have to "check a box" on a form - it always "OTHER." It's not being patriotic or anything - it's the mere truth.

One day I got pulled over for a ticket, and when the police officer (LAPD) gave me the ticket, I saw that he'd put "O" under the Race category. Hey, if it's LAPD policy to classify Armenians as Other, then that's enough for me. :)

Tigranes: That's sad for you.

Pyunik: Shawarma is the Arabic word for "tarna."

Let's all realize and appreciate the fact that a great number of Armenians have been raised with lots of Arabic and "Middle Eastern" culture. What's more is that Armenians who have come from the Middle East have favorable feelings about Arabs and the Middle East because ARABS WELCOMED US WITH OPEN ARMS when we came as survivors of the Genocide. And, ARABS HAVE ALLOWED US TO KEEP OUR LANGUAGE, TO OPEN SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES. This is why Armenians regard Arabs highly. And this is why they have allowed for some Arabic words and foods to infiltrate into the language and culture. Let us appreciate and recognize this.

My family has had many generations of Armenians in the Middle East. My father grew up speaking ONLY ARABIC. Of course I say "yalla" and use Arabic words. Do I regard these terms as "Armenian"? NO. Do I cherish them as part of the distinct sub-culture of Armenians from the Middle East? YES. Does the fact that I use them make me less Armenian, and akin to Turks? OH, HELL NO.

Amot tsezi.

[pezeveng]

Please don't associate with me with allah praising fools. Iam far from being a muslim or middle eastern however because of circumstance iam born in Beirut and regardless of who you are, you will be assimilated with the culture and ethnicity of those around you. Having parents born in Syria and Beirut, no matter what, you will pick up some middle eastern traditions. As for your trash talking I find it rather disturbing that you would come to the aid of a Turk, Iam to the belief of helping all Armenians no matter where in the world. William Saroyian has a great quote on this subject of Armenians meeting and always helping out one another. I don't believe in Armenians ruining our bloodline by marrying outside the race, but in North America it is becoming more and more common. I find here in Toronto, Armenians are constantly trying to outdo one another and jealousy runs rampant and its got to stop. Start loving eachother as we are all brothers and sisters. If you wish to argue make it factual not opinion as there is no right or wrong.

Peace

[Hayq]

Those that vote European are ignorant and don't want to be associated with the middle east because of all the ignorant terrorist sterio-type that comes with the middle east. Look whats in your fridge folks if you know how to make hummos, do you eat pita bread or a french bagguette with your lunch and dinner, do you say yalla or chao (if you say chao your a queer), have you ever smoked from a nerguleh, do you prefer a shawarma or a souvlaki. Were middle eastern like it or not, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
Dont be a sheeshee foofoo European.

What the hell are you talking about? My parents are from Soviet Yerevan, I am from Western New York. We have a negative view of Western Armenians becuase of that attitude, you are middle eastern and not European. We are not ignorant to vote European, because that is what the majority of us are. We do not want to be associated with the middle east, besides the fact that we are not middle eastern, but because middle easterners are backward uneducated fools. Ciao is an Italian saying, and I, nor my family, uses Arabic phrases such as "yalla", "mashalla", or anything else. I smoked Nergileh once, not a good thing. The Truth is, YOU are middle eastern, not us. You are the one who has embraced Arabic living to the point where you are overshadowing Armenian culture. Not to bash on the Arabs, I have no problem with them, but their culture is not my culture. I should poke you with my triton for saying that. :evil:

[xBaron Dants]

Threads like this remind me about how much I truly hate Armenians sometimes. :(

[leana]

No. Maybe you are middle eastern, good for you, but your kind are the ones who are spreading the wrong crap around about Armenians. Why the hell would an armenian say "yalla"?
No I've never smoked nargileh, no I've never eaten nor do I know how to make hummos, I don't have the slightest idea what shawarma is but I like souvlaki. Oh and the only time I've said "yalla" was to mock a lebanese guy.
Keep this crap coming though, I enjoy the laughs.

Hope u don't need a translator MR x & x & xs
Barab nyuteru shurch ge vijapanik, mornalov te polores al hayenk ..
Using d word yallah or eating hummos or smoking nargileh is not a shame, but I can say shame on you MR xsssss !!!!!!! yete haygagan forumi mi metch arten miyayn ankleren lezu esgsadz ek kordzadzel esel e te ur mnatsadz e tser hayutyune & inchbes grnak bahbanel mer lezun ??
Uremen baron pyunik yete hay me yalla bedk che ese .....togh anklerenov chardahaydvi ayleves….

[Hayq]

I am not good with Western Armenian. It is much easier to type in English than Armenian, Latin letters and Armenian phonetics dont work well ;).

It is not shameful to eat humus and smoke nargileh, it is shameful to think that all Armenians are middle eastern, and continuously promote ourselves as middle eastern. I consider myself European...I dont care what you consider yourself to be, but you can keep it to yourself...the Middle East is no role model for Armenians.

[Tigranes]

Hope u don't need a translator MR x & x & xs
Barab nyuteru shurch ge vijapanik, mornalov te polores al hayenk ..
Using d word yallah or eating hummos or smoking nargileh is not a shame, but I can say shame on you MR xsssss !!!!!!! yete haygagan forumi mi metch arten miyayn ankleren lezu esgsadz ek kordzadzel esel e te ur mnatsadz e tser hayutyune & inchbes grnak bahbanel mer lezun ??
Uremen baron pyunik yete hay me yalla bedk che ese .....togh anklerenov chardahaydvi ayleves….


Այ ապուշ, բա դու ինչու էս Լատիներեն տառերով գրում?
Յալլաներտ ուղարկի հետույքտ!

[Tigranes]

I am not good with Western Armenian. It is much easier to type in English than Armenian, Latin letters and Armenian phonetics dont work well ;).

It is not shameful to eat humus and smoke nargileh, it is shameful to think that all Armenians are middle eastern, and continuously promote ourselves as middle eastern. I consider myself European...I dont care what you consider yourself to be, but you can keep it to yourself...the Middle East is no role model for Armenians.

Ապրես Հայկո, չհանձնվես:

[Che_Ka]

I'm going to repost my last post because some of you need to read it again.

Some of you make ME ashamed to be Armenian.

Go read a history book.



Let's all realize and appreciate the fact that a great number of Armenians have been raised with lots of Arabic and "Middle Eastern" culture. What's more is that Armenians who have come from the Middle East have favorable feelings about Arabs and the Middle East because ARABS WELCOMED US WITH OPEN ARMS when we came as survivors of the Genocide. And, ARABS HAVE ALLOWED US TO KEEP OUR LANGUAGE, TO OPEN SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES. This is why Armenians regard Arabs highly. And this is why they have allowed for some Arabic words and foods to infiltrate into the language and culture. Let us appreciate and recognize this.

My family has had many generations of Armenians in the Middle East. My father grew up speaking ONLY ARABIC. Of course I say "yalla" and use Arabic words. Do I regard these terms as "Armenian"? NO. Do I cherish them as part of the distinct sub-culture of Armenians from the Middle East? YES. Does the fact that I use them make me less Armenian, and akin to Turks? OH, HELL NO.

Amot tsezi.

[CatWoman]

xxxx you and every piece of xxxx sandnigger like you.
If there were 1000 "Armenians" like you sinking in a boat and one Turk in another, I would rather save the Turk.

Oh WOW! WOW....
Because he eats hummos and pita bread and sometimes says yalla? He deserves to die? WOW! Your sad my friend, very sad! So much anger... it's not good for you!

However, even though you're extremely ignorant, I would still rescue you from a sinking boat over a Turk, anyday. You know why? Cause you consider yourself Armenian and that's all that matters. I can care less if you eat dolma or hummos. But go ahead, save the Turks, they'll kick you out of the boat right away, then the people from the sinking boat will HELP YOU climb their sinking boat and wait for rescue together! :)

[sSsflamesSs]

Oh WOW! WOW....
Because he eats hummos and pita bread and sometimes says yalla? He deserves to die? WOW! Your sad my friend, very sad! So much anger... it's not good for you!

However, even though you're extremely ignorant, I would still rescue you from a sinking boat over a Turk, anyday. You know why? Cause you consider yourself Armenian and that's all that matters. I can care less if you eat dolma or hummos. But go ahead, save the Turks, they'll kick you out of the boat right away, then the people from the sinking boat will HELP YOU climb their sinking boat and wait for rescue together! :)

Beautiful post .

[xBaron Dants]

Catwoman made me go "aaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwww".

[Che_Ka]

One more thing I wanted to add.

For all the American-born Hayastantsis:

If you can read and write Armenian, how did you learn to do so? If you've ever taken part in the Homenetmen Games, how were you able to do so? Think about that and get back to me.

[CatWoman]

Catwoman made me go "aaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwww".

aaawwww, did I? :o
Seriously guys, sometimes I can't believe what I read... It makes me sooo mad! Can someone be this ignorant?

[spiral]

One more thing I wanted to add.

For all the American-born Hayastantsis:

If you can read and write Armenian, how did you learn to do so? If you've ever taken part in the Homenetmen Games, how were you able to do so? Think about that and get back to me.


Why do you ask?...

[xBaron Dants]

aaawwww, did I? :o
Seriously guys, sometimes I can't believe what I read... It makes me sooo mad! Can someone be this ignorant?

Yes, yes a person can. I wouldn't have thought so either, but eh, such is life. Moral of the story is: while posts like his remind me how much I hate Armenians sometimes, posts like yours remind me why I love Armenians most of the time. :p

[xBaron Dants]

Why do you ask?...

I think his point is that Spurkahyes from Middle Eastern countries have played a big role in creating Armenian institutions and maintaining the Armenian identity in North America.

[spiral]

I think his point is that Spurkahyes from Middle Eastern countries have played a big role in creating Armenian institutions and maintaining the Armenian identity in North America.


lol

Thank you Baron

I know what he meant :)

[Che_Ka]

Baron: Exactly.

While this isn't a pissing contest to see who is 'more Armenian,' sometimes I feel the need to point out things like this.

People who eat hummos and say "yalla" have also established schools where St. Mashdots' invention has been taught to the new generation and have also created means where Armenian students can meet and mingle through athletics, among other things.

[CatWoman]

while posts like his remind me how much I hate Armenians sometimes, posts like yours remind me why I love Armenians most of the time. :p

Good enough, mission accomplished! ;)

[leana]

I am not good with Western Armenian. It is much easier to type in English than Armenian, Latin letters and Armenian phonetics dont work well ;).

It is not shameful to eat humus and smoke nargileh, it is shameful to think that all Armenians are middle eastern, and continuously promote ourselves as middle eastern. I consider myself European...I dont care what you consider yourself to be, but you can keep it to yourself...the Middle East is no role model for Armenians.


Baron hayg & baron tigran …pasdetsik te yerguket al dkhmar ek vorovhedev yes pnav tsezi chesi te polor hayere are from ME….
& imatsek te yes pnav yalla pare chem kordadzer yerp hayeren ge khosim….anshushd aytkan al darorinag che ayt pare kordadzelnin yete pakhdadenk USA hayerun kordadzadz
(ok.sorry ,nevermind + sharan me hayoyanknerun)
+ mr tigran yete sharunages ayt hasarag vojov khosil apsos vor bidi esdibvim esel te votch te hay... ayl martgutene turs ants men es….

[leana]

Այ ապուշ, բա դու ինչու էս Լատիներեն տառերով գրում?
Յալլաներտ ուղարկի հետույքտ!
+ mr tigran yete sharunages ayt hasarag vojov khosil apsos vor bidi esdibvim eselu te votch te hay ayl martgutene turs ants men es….
kezi bes hayerun vijage shad tsavali e.....

[Hayq]

PIta bread tastes nasty.

I learned Armenian from my grandparents.

[Che_Ka]

Creepy!!! lol Yes al hon gnkuver em!!

Your grandma learned Armenian though? My grandma never learned Armenian. My Kharpertsi grandpa just spoke Arabic with her. So the kids (including my dad) never learned Armenian. And then my dad learned Armenian when he married my mom. He even took lessons here in the US to learn to read and write. I think that's where I get my obsession with the language. lol

Toon oor dzner es?

[Hate_Sheep]

I don't think my fair skin and green eyes constitute "mixed".

Actually, that is exactly what it would constitute. Since the majority of Armenians, have brown eyes, and dark hair. That would mean you are more likely mixed, then the rest of us. Sorry for the reality check.

[Hate_Sheep]

Haha good, I hope NO ONE picks Asian. That'd just be dumb. All my odar friends don't consider me white solely because I'm "Armenian"


Well, picking asian, is not any dumber, than pickin european, but it hasnt stopped most the people on this board from chosing it.
However In this case, I dont think asian, is referring to orietials..i.e. chinese, korean, etc. In that case, yes asian would be dumb. However, since Armenia is located in Asia, then yes we can be considered asian. Just as arabs, persians, and east indians, can also be considered asian. So in a geographic sense we are asian, but not oriental. However I would say we are middle eastern. It is pretty sad, how many sheep in this race, wish to be european, yet we have nothing to do with them. AS the late great Monte Melkonian said, we have never been european, and this mentality, of armenians, wishing to be european will be our "white genocide". Quite sad.
By the way, how come hardly any Armenians know, that Armenians are said to have originated from Hittites, which have always been located in the middle east? Where does Europe fit in, in all this? Anyways, people will wish to believe what they want, until it is to late.

[Hate_Sheep]

[QUOTE=Tigranes]If you have that "fair mixture" keep it to yourself, don't degrade the rest of us.

If you're not White/European you CANNOT be Armenian.
That's a pre-requisite of being Armenian.

Get a life! You cannot be WHITE, if you are Armenian. What is so wrong, with not being white? Why do you hate your race so much?

[Hate_Sheep]

I was about to reply to your stupid, incorrect posts but I am going to go and eat some KFC first.

Dont bother, I dont think I will be on this forum to long. I dont know how come, only the Armenians, on the internet, have this white power complex so much. Yet the majority of Armenians, under 35-40 years old, through out North America do not consider themselves white at all? Do you all congregate on the internet, because in real life you feel left out? Just curious? Seriously though, in LA, hardly any Armenian, nor any other race considers Armenians white, so where does this mentality come from? The internet there is a disporportionate amount of "white wannabe Armenians" as to real life.
Hey I even seen, black "skinheads" with swasticas, so go figure. Like I said, dont bother replying back to me. I already know what you are going to say. By the way, are you against Monte Melkonian? Or do you even know who he is? He did more for Armenians, then all of the people on this board combined. He is dead now, fighting for all Armenians, but if you have a problem with what I am saying, you must have a problem with him too.

[Hayq]

Hate_Sheep, suck ballz. If you are not Mongoloid, and are not Negroid, you are Caucasoid.

[Hate_Sheep]

Those that vote European are ignorant and don't want to be associated with the middle east because of all the ignorant terrorist sterio-type that comes with the middle east. Look whats in your fridge folks if you know how to make hummos, do you eat pita bread or a french bagguette with your lunch and dinner, do you say yalla or chao (if you say chao your a queer), have you ever smoked from a nerguleh, do you prefer a shawarma or a souvlaki. Were middle eastern like it or not, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
Dont be a sheeshee foofoo European.

Haha.. Amen to that! Funny, yet very true.

[Hate_Sheep]

xxxx you and every piece of xxxx sandnigger like you.
If there were 1000 "Armenians" like you sinking in a boat and one Turk in another, I would rather save the Turk.

Good for you. Go do that, if you were the one trying to save me, I'd rather drown.

[Hayq]

Good for you. Go do that, if you were the one trying to save me, I'd rather drown.

AH! So you are a TURK?! Yes, it seems very clear what you are trying to do. please, refrain from your comments, we can either frget it or we can argue and go around in circles.

[Hate_Sheep]

Hate_Sheep, suck ballz. If you are not Mongoloid, and are not Negroid, you are Caucasoid.

No I will leave all the ball suckin up to you, since you do it so well. By the way, what are you hatin on me for? I did not say we are not caucasoid did I? Show me where in the post I said that? You assumed that, since i said we are not white, we are not caucasoid. That just proves your ignorance, since there are plenty of non white caucasoids. East Indians, Persians, Arabs, etc..are all caucasoids also, but i hardly think most people would consider them white either.

[Hate_Sheep]

AH! So you are a TURK?! Yes, it seems very clear what you are trying to do. please, refrain from your comments, we can either frget it or we can argue and go around in circles.

Lame..yawnn. I am not turk, i am Armenian, but resort to the childish name calling, since that is all you can do. I dont know, how saying be proud to be Armenian, and having our own identity makes me a Turk. Unlike you, I dont think being non white, is a bad thing. Like I said believe what you want, no matter how stupid, or foolish it might be.

[EYYBABA23]

Only the descendants of the survivors of the Armenian Holocaust have parents from ME. Before the Holocaust there were hardly any Armenians in ME.

I disagree, many years ago (not sure about what year it was) The king of Iran at the time (Nader Shah I think)took a mass amount of Armenians from Armenia and brought them to Iran for them to work in Iran since Armenians were great at MANY MANY things. But as far as Armenians getting scattered all over the middle east, YES that happened after the Armenian genocide! (my grandmother's mom [she was 8 at that time] and her dad went to Iran from Hayastan during the genocide, so I'm a by-product)

[CDN.Martin]

Originally Posted by pezeveng
Those that vote European are ignorant and don't want to be associated with the middle east because of all the ignorant terrorist sterio-type that comes with the middle east.

You can't say that. For example; would you consider these Armenians "middle-eastern"?
http://www.face2004.org/gruppenfotos/1-Armenian.JPG
http://road-to-armenia.com/pictures/other/armenia/yerevan.jpg

No? They look pretty white to me. So why even consider labeling them middle-eastern if they truly do not belong to that group?