The Ottomans

[lampron]

Of all of Armenia's neighbors and occupying powers, the Ottomans have probably had the greatest effect on Armenian mentality, psychology, way of life etc. Even now, on a given day, thousands of Armenians all over the world will tell each other 14th century Turkish folk philospher/homorist Nasreddin Hodja's wisecrack stories

[freakyfreaky]

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Ottomans have been reduced to a couch accessories now. Romans, Persians and apostles are of more import to Armenia's history than blood thirsty Ottomans. Too bad we could not build a wall like the Chinese..

Hahaha...he said 'homo'ist.

Armenia still exists, Ottomans are extinct. Get over it.

[Anonymouse]

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Of all of Armenia's neighbors and occupying powers, the Ottomans have probably had the greatest effect on Armenian mentality, psychology, way of life etc. Even now, on a given day, thousands of Armenians all over the world will tell each other 14th century Turkish folk philospher/homorist Nasreddin Hodja's wisecrack stories

Rememer, you were banned for violating the rules and you may be treading a thin line.

Your thread essentially has no point so what is your purpose on these boards?

[KarotheGreat]

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I must ask what is the point of your thread do you want us to discus the history of the ottomans or something because if thats the point we can do that. But please tell me whats the point

[TomServo]

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Of all of Armenia's neighbors and occupying powers, the Ottomans have probably had the greatest effect on Armenian mentality, psychology, way of life etc.

This is not true if by Armenia you mean the modern Republic of Armenia. I'd say both the Russian and Persian empires have played a bigger role in that region's history.

As for what was once called Ottoman or Turkish Armenia, well, I'm sure you know what happened.

[freakyfreaky]

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Here, I am going to give you an English lesson Lampron. Let's use 'Ottoman' in a sentence.

"Today, I bought an Oriental rug and a couch that came with an ottoman."

[KarotheGreat]

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Iam sure you dont even know who helped Alpaslan in Malazgird battle to defeat the Bizantian empaire.....well ofcourse the armenians done it (have they done an error ) I thing no...and the Ottoman sultan called armenians ever since "milleti sadika" if you dont know turkish you should learn it......Armenians have done great works in Ottoman empair ..even the leading architect SINAN was armenian origin who build mighty mosques in ottoman empair the armenians were in caucasian region for about 3800 years with the persians.....and the rest.. they are the new comers to wait their turn to talk...

my friend at Malzagird it was byzantium vs the seljuk forces the Ottomans are a diffrent brand of turks. And Armenians have build the xxxxing empire, we controled like 90% of the banks.

[satyagraha]

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both armenians and turks raised a common culture for several hundreds of years. notice the similarities between our music, cuisine etc. this doesn't mean that armenians were affected by turks or vice versa. it is a common culture to which both nations contributed.

[lampron]

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Historically the Ottomans controlled the bulk of the Armenian nation. The Ottoman rule lasted much longer than the Persian or Russian. From 1870s onwards Armenian-Ottoman relations grew bad, but in the early days things were much better. The Sultan Mehmed II encouraged Armenians to move into Constantinople (Istanbul). I read that Armenians and Greeks were among physicians (doctors) of Ottoman Sultans and Pashas.
More research is needed on the centuries of Ottoman rule.

[ArmSurvival]

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Iam sure you dont even know who helped Alpaslan in Malazgird battle to defeat the Bizantian empaire.....well ofcourse the armenians done it (have they done an error ) I thing no...and the Ottoman sultan called armenians ever since "milleti sadika" if you dont know turkish you should learn it......Armenians have done great works in Ottoman empair ..even the leading architect SINAN was armenian origin who build mighty mosques in ottoman empair the armenians were in caucasian region for about 3800 years with the persians.....and the rest.. they are the new comers to wait their turn to talk...

These good relations in the past are completely irrelevant to the situation in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, which was a much different time. I don't see what Armenians' relations with an 11th century conquerer have to do with Turkish treatment of Armenians in the 20th century.

because the armenians had in born ability to commercilazation entities

No, they simply worked harder. Armenians paid much higher taxes than Turks just because of their Christianity, and despite this they still had a much higher proportion of literate, educated and professional people in the Ottoman Empire.

Of all of Armenia's neighbors and occupying powers, the Ottomans have probably had the greatest effect on Armenian mentality, psychology, way of life etc. Even now, on a given day, thousands of Armenians all over the world will tell each other 14th century Turkish folk philospher/homorist Nasreddin Hodja's wisecrack stories

Can you please share some of these world-famous wisecrack stories with us, since they are in such abundance?

Armenian government has followed the Persian model more or less since antiquity. Even today Armenian lands are split into Marz. As for Armenian literature and intellectual thought, it was mostly influenced by the Hellenistic thinkers and writers, as well as their own local innovations and traditions. It was also to a lesser extent influenced by Persian, and later European and Russian thinkers/writers. Can you please name some Ottoman/Turkish thinkers and/or writers which, as you claim, have made a major impact on Armenians?