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  • #11
    Re: What if (Transcaucasian Federation)

    Originally posted by SoyElTurco
    Just a curiosity. Would you guys be willing drop certain issues amongst the georgians, azeris, and us turks for a united anatolian-caucasian federation? Would it be worth it? (of course we're assuming fair representation and equal rights, i mean it worked in the ottoman times up until the europeans ignited all the minorities to fracture the ottoman empire)
    Heed these words, Turk, we will never rest until we liberate Western Armenia from your vile government!

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    • #12
      Re: What if (Transcaucasian Federation)

      Originally posted by truAnatolian View Post
      Well the British and French fought the 100 years war, slaughtered eachother and now get along Great...... The Americans Nuked the Japanese TWICE, and japan just got on with its business, did very well and is in the G8.

      We are only costing ourselves by refuising to give up this enmity. My friend in turkey, who recognizes the genocide and our land claims by the way told me that our problem is that we Push for recognition but as Enemies of Turks. He said we need to educate turks not force things upon them in a hostile fashion. So I guess is your goal a prosperous armenia, and a recognized Genocide or is it to take Turkey down and give it a hard time at all costs?

      I mean there's talk of joining the Russian Federation on this forum, for god sakes! For the purpose of doing anyhthing but meeting the turks half way? I mean c'mon, it's time to worry about ourselves and not the Turks!

      We have a nation state in the 21st Century! Historically speaking that is very veyr rare for Armenia, and look what we're doing with it.!!

      Its time for an attitude change between Armenian, Azeris, Georgians and Turks alike.

      Let me quote Einstein here: "The only remedies against race and prejudice are englightenment and education. This is a slow pain-staking process"

      What do most armenians know about turks beyond the Genocide? For Turks their victory against the allies is what the victory over azerbaijan is to us.

      We have to understand that they have their heroes and martyrs, their losses, their greivances. They're not gonna give that up because of what is morally 'just' or historcially true. Even if they did, then we have to fight the Kurds that replaced us in Eastern Anatolia.

      There is too much short sightedness on our behalf.
      You talk about peace with the men who have tried to kill our ancestors who can you do that? Who can you talk about that when they are occupying our lands, occupying the city my great grand father hails from? Where your ancestors lived? You want us to work with them, people who have killed our peoples 900 years destroyed countless cities? Who can you say that?

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      • #13
        Re: What if (Transcaucasian Federation)

        Originally posted by yerazhishda View Post


        You do know that the official stance of Azerbaboonistan is that Yerevan belongs to them, right?
        This claim is from recent history, and was purposely said to piss us off. If we had been united from before soviet times, the land claims would not be an issue. It would have probably ended up becoming a federation of 8 states Abkhazia, S. Osettia, Ajara, Georgia, Nakhichevan, Armenia, Artsakh/Karabakh, Azerbaijan. Land claims wouldn't matter b/c it would have had a centralized government to rule over each state of the federation. The Karabakh war may not have even happened

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        • #14
          Re: What if (Transcaucasian Federation)

          Originally posted by SoyElTurco
          Just a curiosity. Would you guys be willing drop certain issues amongst the georgians, azeris, and us turks for a united anatolian-caucasian federation? Would it be worth it? (of course we're assuming fair representation and equal rights, i mean it worked in the ottoman times up until the europeans ignited all the minorities to fracture the ottoman empire)
          No, it would be unbalanced then. With just the Caucasian trio, there is an almost equal balance between religions, languages, populations, etc. If Turkey were to come into it, even if they had the best of intentions, the balance would be thrown off completely. Also this would be a federation to promote the stability of the Caucasian region, and to help each of the member states, be protected from interference by larger countries, such as Turkey, Iran, Russia. If you were going to add Turkey to it, then you may as well add Iran and Russia, which would just make it pointless. I mean maybe there could be a NAFTA kind of agreement, and other sorts of agreements between the hypothetical Federation and Turkey, but as far as a union, i don't think it would have happened.
          Last edited by ara87; 10-24-2008, 05:47 PM.

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          • #15
            Re: What if (Transcaucasian Federation)

            Originally posted by SoyElTurco
            How are you going to populate it? Keep it?
            Just give me 5,000 women and I'll work day and night at it.

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            • #16
              Re: What if (Transcaucasian Federation)

              Or.... Like any peace-loving nation there can exist a minority which will be respected and granted equal rights and citizenship. In this case it would be mostle Kurds and Turks.

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              • #17
                Re: What if (Transcaucasian Federation)

                Originally posted by truAnatolian View Post
                Or.... Like any peace-loving nation there can exist a minority which will be respected and granted equal rights and citizenship. In this case it would be mostle Kurds and Turks.
                Kurds and Assyrians would be allowed to live peaceably on the land if they pay taxes. Turks would be a threat to national security and would thus not be allowed to live on the land.

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                • #18
                  Re: What if (Transcaucasian Federation)

                  Originally posted by yerazhishda
                  Turks would be a threat to national security and would thus not be allowed to live on the land.
                  Now, you broke my heart yerazhishda : )

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                  • #19
                    Re: What if (Transcaucasian Federation)

                    Originally posted by yerazhishda View Post
                    Kurds and Assyrians would be allowed to live peaceably on the land if they pay taxes. Turks would be a threat to national security and would thus not be allowed to live on the land.
                    Thats the exact same reasoning the Turks used to to massacre and expel us. You would be no different then they were.

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                    • #20
                      Re: What if (Transcaucasian Federation)

                      Originally posted by truAnatolian View Post
                      Thats the exact same reasoning the Turks used to to massacre and expel us. You would be no different then they were.
                      Did I say kill them? Turks are residing on stolen land that is soaked with the blood of my ancestors! There's no way I would allow them to live on Armenian land and neither would any other Armenian nationalist.

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