Discussion on Western and Armenian schools of Armenology

[bell-the-cat]

Re: The clash over James Russell's historiography

Because Bell-the-cat wishes to argue about this, and I wish to preserve the purpose of Armenian's Armenology thread, I've decided to create this thread.

And I wish to say that Armenian's Armenology thread is full of pseudo-science, pseudo-history, and pseudo-archaeology. This thread is a fork created to remove criticism from the original thread. There is no "James Russell historiography".

[TomServo]

Re: The clash over James Russell's historiography

James Russell is a j*w writing/teaching Armenian history and as such his harm to the Armenian nation should be self-explanatory.

This was basically the "clash" in the Armenology thread.

I don't remember his historiography ever being discussed. It might have been deleted?

[jgk3]

Re: The clash over James Russell's historiography

And I wish to say that Armenian's Armenology thread is full of pseudo-science, pseudo-history, and pseudo-archaeology. This thread is a fork created to remove criticism from the original thread. There is no "James Russell historiography".

What defines pseudo-science, pseudo-history and pseudo-archaeology. How is the ROA's approach to Armenology any of these things, and how is American based academia on the matter exempt from any of your claims?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: The clash over James Russell's historiography

What defines pseudo-science, pseudo-history and pseudo-archaeology. How is the ROA's approach to Armenology any of these things, and how is American based academia on the matter exempt from any of your claims?

So, suddenly "Armenians" potted pseudo-science, pseudo-history and pseudo-archaeology, gleamed from trawling the more minor parts of the internet, has become the state ideology of the Republic of Armenia. I guess you think you have found another way of silencing criticism of his garbage - now it's treason against the Armenian State to do it!

[jgk3]

Re: The clash over James Russell's historiography

This was basically the "clash" in the Armenology thread.

I don't remember his historiography ever being discussed. It might have been deleted?

It wasn't really discussed... I don't come up with good titles right away when I do this. I just wanted to create a specific space for debate on this clash between western and Armenian approaches to Armenology.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: The clash over James Russell's historiography

This was basically the "clash" in the Armenology thread.

I don't remember his historiography ever being discussed. It might have been deleted?

Dleted like the fake "James Russell historiography".
title of this thread maybe. But "Western and Armenian schools of Armenology" is just as fake.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: The clash over James Russell's historiography

It wasn't discussed... I don't come up with good titles right away when I do this.

But I think you did reveal your thought process in the title you later changed your mind about.

[jgk3]

Re: The clash over James Russell's historiography

So, suddenly "Armenians" potted pseudo-science, pseudo-history and pseudo-archaeology, gleamed from trawling the more minor parts of the internet, has become the state ideology of the Republic of Armenia. I guess you think you have found another way of silencing criticism of his garbage - now it's treason against the Armenian State to do it!

Ok, so are you suggesting that the ROA's approach is more in common with the US's than we think?

[jgk3]

Re: The clash over James Russell's historiography

But I think you did reveal your thought process in the title you later changed your mind about.

Of course, I have my stance on the matter too, as you clearly indicated earlier as a defender of someone who goes out and calls James Russell "filth".

Now do you want to debate about my brain synapses? These are my decisions, this is the platform for discussion I allow.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Discussion on Western and Armenian schools of Armenology

I think things need to be put in perspective.

I am tired of these flames that are fanned about these cliche topics. I am all for intellectual openness and dialogue. With that said, a couple of points:

1. As much as I hate to come down on bell-the-cat because I appreciate his contributions in the past, and the fact that he is non-Armenian who has shown an interest in Armenian issues, I must say that you have to try to counter with cogent arguments and maintain some dismal shot at civility. I know you dislike Armenian and he dislikes you, but please folks, let's try to keep this civil at least. That is all we are asking. I don't think it's unreasonable is it?

2. Armenian also doesn't take disagreements lightly as he has a tendency to respond negatively when criticized. I understand part of this is defensive after being attacked, but that is still not an excuse. You should take the higher road.

3. References to someone's Jewishness as the result of why he is not credible is not going to fly. In fact, at one point this forum was strict about enforcing a no Jew reference regarding Armenian issues because it gets out of hand. This wasn't my decision but the webmaster's.

4. A lot of the posts on a lot of these Armenian nationalist issues are very valuable and I appreciate all the posters who have contributed to it, but often times the tone is one which would only alienate non-Armenians upon reading it, and hence the unchecked references to Jewishness. If you want to refute Professor Russel's arguments, do so civilly and with the facts themselves. Even if you know certain truths about disproportionate xxxish involvement in the genocide or what not, keep those to yourselves as most non-Armenians who read this (and ultimately those whom we are trying to make our case for) will have a negative reaction and an aversion to take us seriously, despite whatever propaganda or brain-washing or whatever you think they suffer from. Injecting into the discussion that someone is not credible because he is Jewish and thereby part of this amorphous Jewish conspiracy, is not a sufficient argument. There is absolutely nothing credible in that statement aside from reinforcing our preconceived notions that Jews are this or that. While Jews have been hostile toward Armenian issues, do you seriously think that Russell went to a synagogue and got specific orders on going to become an Armenian professor to intentionally downplay our supposed glory as the authors of civilization itself? Let's be real.

This is to all sides. This is a warning to all sides. There won't be another.