Sacred Geometry and Armenia

[Anonymouse]

Re: Sacred Geometry and Armenia

Go live in that fantasy world if you want to, there's probably still some space there amongst all the astrologers. flat-earthers, creationists, psychiatrists, pyramid-worshipers, crystal-gazers, and assorted other self-deluded fanatics. What you believe is completely irrelevant.

It's not what I believe that's irrelevant, it's your ahistorical insistence that your insight has any merit to the way these societies themselves perceived themselves. That's the problem. And if you have no way to dismiss the author's statements except through your personal opinion of "Well, it's all shyt" then you really have nothing. It's what any inquisitive mind would be asking and reading about these older societies. Unfortunately for you, you can only see those things which fit neatly in your integrated closed system of mind. And the moment someone disagrees with you they are then "self-deluded fanatics." You suffer from the same delusions of grandeur that Armenian suffered minus the small internet following - the inability to retain a flexible mind and maintain your prism at all costs.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Sacred Geometry and Armenia

If you were to read the book I suggested you would think differently about this topic. However, we are going in circles. Your personal opinions of what these old societies considered truths and held in secret knowledge is irrelevant. It remains that the architecture of Armenia in the said article was built according to certain principles of geometry which were considered heavenly or holy and were built according to these precise rules. In fact, this is true of civilizations in the classical world whether you like it or not. These societies were steeped in the mystical tradition and considered esoteric knowledge to be the highest truths. Heck, even Washington D.C., is designed according to these sacred geometric principles since the founders were all freemasons.

What you believe is completely irrelevant. That you don't like the article is evident, but if you are going to brush it aside at least offer reasons of why the author is wrong specifically in his examples, aside from the general tarbrush of your personal distaste for religion and metaphysics.

More links for an interesting read:

http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone1.html

http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone2.html

http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone3.html

http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone4.html

http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone5.html

http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone6.html

Go live in that fantasy world if you want to, there's probably still some space there amongst all the astrologers. flat-earthers, creationists, psychiatrists, pyramid-worshipers, crystal-gazers, and assorted other self-deluded fanatics. What you believe is completely irrelevant.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Sacred Geometry and Armenia

Freemasonry itself is a living example of "Wizard-of-Oz"'ism at work. Hide what is basically nothing within layer after layer of show and ritual and restricted esoteric pseudo-knowledge. Or, from when freemasons were real masons and not fat, golf-playing businessmen and corrupt politicians, hide from public knowledge what is actually a very simple set of rules and easily-learned skills inside a very complicated and secretive ritual and a long apprenticeship.

If you were to read the book I suggested you would think differently about this topic. However, we are going in circles. Your personal opinions of what these old societies considered truths and held in secret knowledge is irrelevant. It remains that the architecture of Armenia in the said article was built according to certain principles of geometry which were considered heavenly or holy and were built according to these precise rules. In fact, this is true of civilizations in the classical world whether you like it or not. These societies were steeped in the mystical tradition and considered esoteric knowledge to be the highest truths. Heck, even Washington D.C., is designed according to these sacred geometric principles since the founders were all freemasons.

What you believe is completely irrelevant. That you don't like the article is evident, but if you are going to brush it aside at least offer reasons of why the author is wrong specifically in his examples, aside from the general tarbrush of your personal distaste for religion and metaphysics.

More links for an interesting read:

http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone1.html

http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone2.html

http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone3.html

http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone4.html

http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone5.html

http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone6.html

[jgk3]

Re: Sacred Geometry and Armenia

How about the pyramids of Egypt bell? What do you think motivated not only the ruling class but the rest of Ancient Egyptian society to become involved with such projects? Was it all just some logical exercise? Some attempt to appease the Pharaonic ego?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Sacred Geometry and Armenia

Yes, and if you know anything about the history of freemasonry and the ideals it espoused and the philosophy it originated from, you would know that it is not merely a blind homage to just some bland "architecture". (Recommended reading: Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma). Saying it ain't so because it must not be so doesn't cut it.

Freemasonry itself is a living example of "Wizard-of-Oz"'ism at work. Hide what is basically nothing within layer after layer of show and ritual and restricted esoteric pseudo-knowledge. Or, from when freemasons were real masons and not fat, golf-playing businessmen and corrupt politicians, hide from public knowledge what is actually a very simple set of rules and easily-learned skills inside a very complicated and secretive ritual and a long apprenticeship.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Sacred Geometry and Armenia

Is this "entire old world" in a parallel universe where different laws of physics apply? The building traditions and the aims of the culture, working within the fixed technical limits of the construction technology and the physical limits of the masons and workers, are the design parameters of the architecture - not fantasy religious beliefs imposed onto pre-existing buildings.

Yes, and if you know anything about the history of freemasonry and the ideals it espoused and the philosophy it originated from, you would know that it is not merely a blind homage to just some bland "architecture". (Recommended reading: Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma). Saying it ain't so because it must not be so doesn't cut it.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Sacred Geometry and Armenia

Your personal reservations about these things have absolutely no bearing on the way the entire old world viewed itself and what it held in esteem.

Is this "entire old world" in a parallel universe where different laws of physics apply? The building traditions and the aims of the culture, working within the fixed technical limits of the construction technology and the physical limits of the masons and workers, are the design parameters of the architecture - not fantasy religious beliefs imposed onto pre-existing buildings.

[jgk3]

Re: Sacred Geometry and Armenia

Yet it remains that this was a fundamental part of ancient society, whether you like it or not. Your personal reservations about these things have absolutely no bearing on the way the entire old world viewed itself and what it held in esteem.

exactly.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Sacred Geometry and Armenia

For what purpose? For the same purpose that all religious dogma is invented - to make things Wizard of Oz-like bigger and more important and more complicated than they actually are.

Yet it remains that this was a fundamental part of ancient society, whether you like it or not. Your personal reservations about these things have absolutely no bearing on the way the entire old world viewed itself and what it held in esteem.

How do you think medieval buildings were designed?

Geometry was certainly an ingredient.

That Haghpat belltower drawing is a joke. The pitch of roofs certainly weren't decided on by making them fit into some imaginary equilateral triangle whose endpoints are floating in empty space several metres above ground.

How do you know?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Sacred Geometry and Armenia

I disagree. I think the same goes for you. In your case you choose to not see where you don't want to see. What's the author making up and for what purpose? And I presume you are familiar with sacred geometry.

For what purpose? For the same purpose that all religious dogma is invented - to make things Wizard of Oz-like bigger and more important and more complicated than they actually are.
How do you think medieval buildings were designed? That Haghpat belltower drawing is a joke. The pitch of roofs certainly weren't decided on by making them fit into some imaginary equilateral triangle whose endpoints are floating in empty space several metres above ground.