Kurds' claims

[Lika]

I am really frustrated with Kurds, they are claiming that all our Historic Armenian teritory actually is not Armenian but Kurdish and they have a wish map which includes our Erzrum, Van, Ardahan, Kars and many more as part of their 'Kurdistan' . Has anybody heard of these claims? I wonder if they have serious grounds for such claims?

[hipeter924]

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I am really frustrated with Kurds, they are claiming that all our Historic Armenian teritory actually is not Armenian but Kurdish and they have a wish map which includes our Erzrum, Van, Ardahan, Kars and many more as part of their 'Kurdistan' . Has anybody heard of these claims? I wonder if they have serious grounds for such claims?

I think they are more concerned with gaining territory in Turkey and Iraq. I am sure even in worst cases that Kurds would eventually give up such claims, even if they don't like it. I doubt they like the Turks, especially since Turks are putting them to the same scalpel they used on the Armenians. A reversal of fortunes really. They help genocide the Armenian's, but Turkey must be 'Pure Turkish' and must rid themselves of Kurds too. Right out of Mein Kampf I would say.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

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Hmm, I dunno, I heard about Abdullah Ocalan's words and he generally has a favourable view of Armenians from what I have perused, perhaps yes some have this opinion, but many Kurds won't want to have hostile relations with Armenians today

Sounsd Mein Kampf, you're right as usual about stuff Hipeter, always love reading your posts

[Lika]

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Thanks guys, you sound really optimistic. I guess I was angry as it came as a shock for me. Somebody asked me to show the map of Armenia before the Genocide; he was reallay surprised that those territories are Armenian. But you are right that they would not want hostile relationships with us...

[KanadaHye]

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I think they are more concerned with gaining territory in Turkey and Iraq. I am sure even in worst cases that Kurds would eventually give up such claims, even if they don't like it. I doubt they like the Turks, especially since Turks are putting them to the same scalpel they used on the Armenians. A reversal of fortunes really. They help genocide the Armenian's, but Turkey must be 'Pure Turkish' and must rid themselves of Kurds too. Right out of Mein Kampf I would say.

I'm guessing the Kurds were promised things for exchange with helping with the genocide.... and those promises never materialized. So it's difficult for me to have sympathy for them. Then they were used again by the US military to aid with the invasion of Iraq. Nobody in the region seems to think they deserve their own country... perhaps there is a reason for their history of nomadic behaviour.

Thanks guys, you sound really optimistic. I guess I was angry as it came as a shock for me. Somebody ( a Kurd) I work with asked me to show the map of Armenia before the Genocide; he was reallay surprised that those territories are Armenian. But you are right that they would not want hostile relationships with us...

I'm not sure if the Kurds living in those villages are playing dumb or they really don't know the history of the region. They may have not been the ones involved with the genocide and perhaps were moved there after the fact. But this is pure speculation on my part.

[hipeter924]

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Hmm, I dunno, I heard about Abdullah Ocalan's words and he generally has a favourable view of Armenians from what I have perused, perhaps yes some have this opinion, but many Kurds won't want to have hostile relations with Armenians today

Sounsd Mein Kampf, you're right as usual about stuff Hipeter, always love reading your posts

I try.

[retro]

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It's my understanding that the Kurds where promised Armenian land and property.

Whilst today's Turkish Kurds are not the same Kurds who where responsible for the 1915 Armenian genocide. I think that these people need to be resettled and compensated by the Turkish state as part of some kind of a political settlement.

The solution is the return of Western Armenia to the Armenian's, as a autonomous self governing region of Turkey. As once a autonomous region has been established, it may eventually be able to break away.

The Turk can not agree to the annexation of his own territory. As the Turkish state is a illegitimate entity.

[ara87]

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The Kurds ancestry is traced back to the Kingdom of Cordune also known as Carduchi, Corduene was situated to the east of Tigranocerta, i.e., to the east and south of present-day Diyarbakır in south-eastern Turkey.

Map -> http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7057/kurdistan2.png


The Kurds have also been spread around the middle east for centuries, including Western Armenia, current Armenia, Iran, Iraq, Syria and various other places.

The Treaty of Sevres, also made an autonomous region for them, that would have most likely been independent by now

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/TreatyOfSevres_(corrected).PNG

This is what they base their claims off of.

Map of their populations across the middle east (1992)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Kurdish-inhabited_area_by_CIA_(1992).jpg

[KanadaHye]

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They are the biggest population in the world without their own country, however they have been known to be nomads. Surely they have no right to land that Armenians have historically occupied. America was worried that Iraq would split into 3 parts for that very reason. If northern Iraq broke away, there would be a domino effect with the Kurds in the surrounding countries.

[ara87]

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They are the biggest population in the world without their own country, however they have been known to be nomads. Surely they have no right to land that Armenians have historically occupied. America was worried that Iraq would split into 3 parts for that very reason. If northern Iraq broke away, there would be a domino effect with the Kurds in the surrounding countries.

In the end though, wouldn't that be best? A Kurdistan that is composed of N. Iraq, N.E. Syria, S.E. Turkey, and N.E. Iran, would weaken all the the nations it takes land from. If it would also hinder pan Turkism (better for us), pan Arabism (if there are any such notions) and possibly Pan Sh i t e-ism, depending on how far south of Iraq a new Kurdish country would reach into.

A weakened Syria would equal a stronger Lebanon and Israel, 2 pluses for the USA, a weakened Iran would also help Israel to be stronger, another plus, as well as appease Saudi Arabia. A weakened Turkey and Iran would appease Russia as well, and ho knows? maybe the baluchi's can get a country of their own.

However the world may not want such a Kurdistan to be to large/strong, so they'd probably cut us a piece of land, most likely just Mt. Ararat, but thats better than nothing, then again, we could get more