Kurds' claims

[ninetoyadome]

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why not just give the kurds azeri land? i mean the azeris r new to the area so why not help kurds get rid of the azeris? we get some territory from azerbaijan and give the rest to the kurds.

[Kiffer]

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My mother who was from Adabazar, had been deported with her family in a village of Tatars called Bolovadine. They lived under a tent four years. After the armistice, they were told that they could return to their house. She said the house had been occupied by Kurds (how did she know, they were Kurds ?) the house was dirty, and there was blood as they had sacrified sheeps. But the Kurds were gone. After 3 years, they were warned that the Mustaf Kemal’s army was coming ant that they had to go again from their house. Her parents decided to go to Constantinople, but her grand’mother who was very old refused to go on the roads again, she staid in the house, and later on the family were informed by refugees that she had been killed as all the Armenians who had not left from Adabazar, and were killed by Musatfa Kemal’s troups.
Today, the Kurds have understood that they may have the same fate as Armenians. They seem to fraternize with us.

[jgk3]

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Thank you for sharing this story Kiffer.

[KanadaHye]

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why not just give the kurds azeri land? i mean the azeris r new to the area so why not help kurds get rid of the azeris? we get some territory from azerbaijan and give the rest to the kurds.

Shhhhhh.... this plan is supposed to be top secret

[firat]

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In the end though, wouldn't that be best? A Kurdistan that is composed of N. Iraq, N.E. Syria, S.E. Turkey, and N.E. Iran, would weaken all the the nations it takes land from. If it would also hinder pan Turkism (better for us), pan Arabism (if there are any such notions) and possibly Pan Sh i t e-ism, depending on how far south of Iraq a new Kurdish country would reach into.

A weakened Syria would equal a stronger Lebanon and Israel, 2 pluses for the USA, a weakened Iran would also help Israel to be stronger, another plus, as well as appease Saudi Arabia. A weakened Turkey and Iran would appease Russia as well, and ho knows? maybe the baluchi's can get a country of their own.

However the world may not want such a Kurdistan to be to large/strong, so they'd probably cut us a piece of land, most likely just Mt. Ararat, but thats better than nothing, then again, we could get more

Why don't you understand the fact that the only way an independent Kurdistan can survive is that US helps them by keeping her troops in Middle East. This is not happening now. US is going by 2011-2012. None of the countries they are enclosed with is friendly to them. Iran and Turkey, no way. Kurds will be the number one enemy of Sunnis and Shi'is of Iraq. The only way they can enjoy their semi-independent region in Northern Iraq is coming to an agreement with Turkey as US forcing Turkey to do. This is what is right now happening in the region. Turkey and US made a deal. Mark my words, you're gonna see that. Kurds of Iraq will not be hostile against Turkey for I don't know how many years.

Secondly, no friends. You culture is no way similar with that of Kurds. You can not live with them. Most of them are not religious but extreme religious people. This is, unfortunately, the way Turkey is keeping them under control, by using religion. I want the regions to stay in Turkey but not with the method Turkey is using. We should've transfromed them into citizen 50 years ago. We did not.

Pan-Turkism is dead. You are still living in early 20th century if this is what you are thinking. There is no such thing called Pan-Turkism in Turkey. Dead, it is dead. There is one thing now. Exploiting the economic benefits in Central Asia and Middle East. For this, Turkey sometimes uses religion and sometimes Turkishness according to its benefits.

[KanadaHye]

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Why don't you understand the fact that the only way an independent Kurdistan can survive is that US helps them by keeping her troops in Middle East. This is not happening now. US is going by 2011-2012. None of the countries they are enclosed with is friendly to them. Iran and Turkey, no way. Kurds will be the number one enemy of Sunnis and Shi'is of Iraq. The only way they can enjoy their semi-independent region in Northern Iraq is coming to an agreement with Turkey as US forcing Turkey to do. This is what is right now happening in the region. Turkey and US made a deal. Mark my words, you're gonna see that. Kurds of Iraq will not be hostile against Turkey for I don't know how many years.

Secondly, no friends. You culture is no way similar with that of Kurds. You can not live with them. Most of them are not religious but extreme religious people. This is, unfortunately, the way Turkey is keeping them under control, by using religion. I want the regions to stay in Turkey but not with the method Turkey is using. We should've transfromed them into citizen 50 years ago. We did not.

Pan-Turkism is dead. You are still living in early 20th century if this is what you are thinking. There is no such thing called Pan-Turkism in Turkey. Dead, it is dead. There is one thing now. Exploiting the economic benefits in Central Asia and Middle East. For this, Turkey sometimes uses religion and sometimes Turkishness according to its benefits.

1) USA has built bases in Iraq, they are not going anywhere unless somebody drives them out. Once Britain and US sign oil deals, they never leave.

2) If for some reason the US were to leave like you stated, the Kurds would be driven out by the Shiia's with the aid of Iran and the Sunni's with the aid of Turkey... then Iraq would be divided up between Turkey, Iran and Syria. Little Kuwait would be jammed between a greater Iran and Saudi Arabia. US control over Kuwait wouldn't last too long under those conditions.

So the only way the US can come out of this situation alive is to keep the Kurds in northern Iraq in power.... but for how long. Probably long enough... at least until they find other sources of energy to exploit.

[firat]

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1) USA has built bases in Iraq, they are not going anywhere unless somebody drives them out. Once Britain and US sign oil deals, they never leave.

2) If for some reason the US were to leave like you stated, the Kurds would be driven out by the Shiia's with the aid of Iran and the Sunni's with the aid of Turkey... then Iraq would be divided up between Turkey, Iran and Syria. Little Kuwait would be jammed between a greater Iran and Saudi Arabia. US control over Kuwait wouldn't last too long under those conditions.

So the only way the US can come out of this situation alive is to keep the Kurds in northern Iraq in power.... but for how long. Probably long enough... at least until they find other sources of energy to exploit.

Yes, I definetely think they will keep Kurds in Northern Iraq in power. They convinced Turkey about it (we actually had no other choice because of PKK) Yet, USA also convinced Iraqi Kurds to be good with Turkey. They also have no other choice, they need regional friends. Kurdish region started to export oil by using the pipelines passing through Turkey. A Norwegian and a Turkish firm will keep slightly more than 10% of total oil sales. The oil from Kurdistan region will provide $20 Billion by 2013 to Iraq budget.

The main question is whether Kurds will always be willing to share a high percentage of their profits with central Iraq government. I guess, for sometime, they have to do it. But of course we can not ignore the fact that they are creating their own army, they are acting like an independent state etc. Thus, I am guessing, just for a certain time, they will be good to us. However, a powerful Kurdistan will have the power to influence Kurds in Iran and Turkey without any doubt. Currently, things seems to be settled down in my opinion but for the future I can not make any guesses.

[hipeter924]

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An interesting map I googled

[firat]

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we should give fredssom to kurds. kurds are primitive uneducated and they are destroying our economy. we pay a lot of money to east of turkey.

maybe our armenian and kurds friends live together far away from us.

Economic reasons or future economical potential of keeping the region within Turkish territory are the number one reasons why Turkey would not let them go.

[firat]

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lol sirnak diyarbakir sanli urfa these places are poorer than africa.

I chose my words too carefully. I did not say these regions will make money. Damned, the region is like like a black hole. Yet, we need to do this if they are equal citizens of Republic of Turkey. I said these regions will help Turkey to make money. Just two days ago, Turkey started to transport Kurdish region's oil to the ports in Mediterranean for export. By 2013, Karamehmet (owner of Turkcell) will be making $1 Billion every year out of this agreement if things go fine. Do you think any Turkish businessman could've done this if Turkey did not keep SouthEastern regions within Turkish territory? The thing is whether we will be able to exploit much more advantages from Iraq which is in reconstruction era?