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  • #11
    Re: Wanted - book or website recommendations

    Well, Moogey I've got something for you. It is mentioned on page 918 a small description of your grand father which I quote textually 'Chahbazian, Manoug Eff., Medzaharousd, galvadzader, 'Chahbazian-Keshishian' vadjaradan pajnedir, azk. joghovagan (n@gare etch 770), vorteen e, Agheksantriap@nag eeravapan k@raked Stepan Chahbaz'
    or in english
    Chahbazian Manoug Eff., wealthy, real estate owner, shareholder in the 'Chahbazian-Keshishian' stores, azkayeen joghovagan (I can not translate this one, since it is specifically armenian like taghakan, kavaragan, etc..) picture in page 770, his son is lawyer and litterature expert Stepan Chahbaz, living in Alexsandria
    I also inserted your grand father's picture in the laptop for forward sending it to you through private mail (for confidentiality reasons), but so far I have been unable to paste it in. If you can, or someone can assist me by indicating the steps to follow, I will be grateful.
    Also I would mention that it is really a small world not to say very small world because it seems that my ancestors and yours knew each other, since they were both azkayeen joghovagan and traders (my ggrand father was a cotton trader having offices in Adana, Mossul, Manchester and Beirut, so for sure they knew each other

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    • #12
      Re: Wanted - book or website recommendations

      Originally posted by vasbourakan1 View Post
      Well, Moogey I've got something for you. It is mentioned on page 918 a small description of your grand father which I quote textually 'Chahbazian, Manoug Eff., Medzaharousd, galvadzader, 'Chahbazian-Keshishian' vadjaradan pajnedir, azk. joghovagan (n@gare etch 770), vorteen e, Agheksantriap@nag eeravapan k@raked Stepan Chahbaz'
      or in english
      Chahbazian Manoug Eff., wealthy, real estate owner, shareholder in the 'Chahbazian-Keshishian' stores, azkayeen joghovagan (I can not translate this one, since it is specifically armenian like taghakan, kavaragan, etc..) picture in page 770, his son is lawyer and litterature expert Stepan Chahbaz, living in Alexsandria
      I also inserted your grand father's picture in the laptop for forward sending it to you through private mail (for confidentiality reasons), but so far I have been unable to paste it in. If you can, or someone can assist me by indicating the steps to follow, I will be grateful.
      Also I would mention that it is really a small world not to say very small world because it seems that my ancestors and yours knew each other, since they were both azkayeen joghovagan and traders (my ggrand father was a cotton trader having offices in Adana, Mossul, Manchester and Beirut, so for sure they knew each other
      Thank you so much. You can't imagine how exciting this is. I'm only sad that I can't tell my parents about this.

      I'm sure someone will have an idea how to send the picture. All I can think of is to scan it if you have that facility, and there should be a means of sending it in an email, to click "send to email recipient" or some such instruction.

      Thank you for translating - askayeen joghovagan is difficult to translate, but I understand it. "Someone who works for national affairs" is the nearest.

      I don't suppose there is any mention of anyone who came before my grandfather.

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      • #13
        Re: Wanted - book or website recommendations

        Thanks Moogey for acknowledging receipt of your grandfather’s picture. I could not make it better since I took it with a digicam on macro mode. The book is very big with 1k+ pages and can’t fit in a scanner or a photocopying machine. Anyhow glad having served you. Also I would thank you for having searched at your end about my ancestor, but as I mentioned he had offices and these offices abroad were, - I presume-, for use of representation fulfilling administrative formalities for export or import, rather than business or stores and again I presume were run by local british for Manchester, and arabs for Beirut and Mossul and that’s why you did not find anything. Also I want to mention that finding your gfather’s name was quite easy because all families are enumerated at the end of the book but I could not find other Chahbazian or Chahbaz, except an article sent by Stepan Chahbaz to the author as his contribution to the elaboration of the book consisting of 12 pages which gives a detailed description of the Adanatsi(s)

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        • #14
          Re: Wanted - book or website recommendations

          This is interesting. It brings the long lost past to life, brings us closer to it. Do you know any more about the Adanatsi?

          I appreciate it's difficult to scan the pages of a book. I have put the photo in my pictures. By the way, how did you come to have the book?

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          • #15
            Re: Wanted - book or website recommendations

            How can there have been "Turkish Armenian" life in the early 1900 pre World War I when there was no such thing as Turkey (except for the stuffed bird) ?
            this post = teh win.

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            • #16
              Re: Wanted - book or website recommendations

              Originally posted by Sip View Post
              How can there have been "Turkish Armenian" life in the early 1900 pre World War I when there was no such thing as Turkey (except for the stuffed bird) ?
              There was Armenian life in the Ottoman Empire.... and it shouldn't be called Turkish, more like Turkische from its Germanic roots.
              "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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              • #17
                Re: Wanted - book or website recommendations

                Sounds more like Armenian-Ottoman life
                this post = teh win.

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                • #18
                  Re: Wanted - book or website recommendations

                  Originally posted by Moogey View Post
                  This is interesting. It brings the long lost past to life, brings us closer to it. Do you know any more about the Adanatsi?

                  I appreciate it's difficult to scan the pages of a book. I have put the photo in my pictures. By the way, how did you come to have the book?
                  this book has been sent from the author directly to my parents just after being published in 1970. I wonder if the Armenian Catholicossate of Antelias has still copies of it since it goes 40 years back or may be if it has been republished, better to contact them, but I will try my best to scan the pages written by S Chahbaz, of course without tearing the pages off, just pls give me some time to figure it how.

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                  • #19
                    Re: Wanted - book or website recommendations

                    It's very kind of you, Vasbourakan, but please don't go to too much trouble, and certainly don't damage the book. Maybe just give me the gist of what's written.
                    I looked at the website of the Catholicosate, and the writer does not seem to be on the list. I can't see any email address, I'll look again.
                    Moogey

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                    • #20
                      Re: Wanted - book or website recommendations

                      Originally posted by vasbourakan1 View Post
                      this book has been sent from the author directly to my parents just after being published in 1970. I wonder if the Armenian Catholicossate of Antelias has still copies of it since it goes 40 years back or may be if it has been republished, better to contact them, but I will try my best to scan the pages written by S Chahbaz, of course without tearing the pages off, just pls give me some time to figure it how.
                      The Plustek Opticbook 3600 scanner is very good for scanning books without damaging them (but rubbish at scanning anything other than books). You sometimes find used ones cheap on ebay for around $100. Or just use a digital camera.
                      Plenipotentiary meow!

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