Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

[Persopolis]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

I don't doubt that. I've noticed the Azeris becoming very aggressive lately when it comes to inventing stories and adjusting Wikipedia at will. Is there anyway you could re-register under a different name? and which articles were the defacing? Thanks

Joseph, they banned me completely (using an IP block); so I traced the users (they are from Israel, Baku (a members of the armed forces), and a guy in the U.S. working in the oil and gas business who has been given the "The Azerbaijani Barnstar of National Merit" for vandalizing history. I am a professor of Persian studies, and they wouldn't even let me make spelling corrections to Persian words they used!
Here are some of the users that deleting Armenian and Iranian contributions to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Grandmaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brandmeister
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tuscumbia

Watch this to get some more context as to who they have teamed up with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofScCiJT4c

[Mos]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

Wikipedia is the forefront of the information war, as it has become a source many people go to for basic information. We must organise and repel Azeri fabrications. I think in Wikiproject Armenia we should have a separate section dedicated to repelling such fabrications, an organised taskforce of determined Armenians. What people think?

[Joseph]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

Wikipedia is the forefront of the information war, as it has become a source many people go to for basic information. We must organise and repel Azeri fabrications. I think in Wikiproject Armenia we should have a separate section dedicated to repelling such fabrications, an organised taskforce of determined Armenians. What people think?

I agree 100%

[Joseph]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

Joseph, they banned me completely (using an IP block); so I traced the users (they are from Israel, Baku (a members of the armed forces), and a guy in the U.S. working in the oil and gas business who has been given the "The Azerbaijani Barnstar of National Merit" for vandalizing history. I am a professor of Persian studies, and they wouldn't even let me make spelling corrections to Persian words they used!
Here are some of the users that deleting Armenian and Iranian contributions to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Grandmaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brandmeister
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tuscumbia

Watch this to get some more context as to who they have teamed up with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofScCiJT4c

This is no doubt compounded by the fact you are from Iran so there is a sinister US twist supporting the subterfuge in the background because of your nationality.

[ara87]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

Name Changes

Üçkilsə -> Eçmiadzin
(Prior to "Üçkilise" -- which is related to "Eçmiadzin" -- the city was called Vagharshapat (or a variant of it). Armenia renamed the city to its initial, ancient, original name. If anyone changed the name, it's the Arabs or Turks, and the "fake" name is Üçkilise/Echmiadzin)

I thought Etchmiadzin translated to "the place where the only begotten descended?"

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

Joseph, let me add some other interesting details: First, let me give the context: Anyone that knows the history of the region knows that The Kingdom of Armenia existed, was larger than it is today, and was united in brotherhood with the Persian empires going back several thousand years. When I traced back who was erasing citations from Wikipedia this is what I discovered: It was (1) a member of the Azerbaijan armed forces, who sought the help of (2) an Israeli moderator, and who was being helped by (3) an American in the oil and gas business. They were just making-up unsubstantiated stories together (totally lacking citations to historical texts). After my first posting on wikipedia (only citing books!), these three banned me without explanation.

Give diffs and user names (or gtfo ).

You are talking about the English-language wikipedia.org, I presume?

[ara87]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

I do what I can with wikipedia, I only add what I have solid sources for, so I haven't done much. I expanded the religion section under "Urartu" and I also added Echmiadzin to the list of Armenia's oldest churchs (no clue how that wasn't on there) and wikipedia's over all list of oldest churches.

But I can't read azeri turkish so I can't help with those pages, and I don't even know what armenian articles to start going through to look for azeri mishaps

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

Wikipedia is the forefront of the information war, as it has become a source many people go to for basic information. We must organise and repel Azeri fabrications. I think in Wikiproject Armenia we should have a separate section dedicated to repelling such fabrications, an organised taskforce of determined Armenians. What people think?

Who is to blame for Wikipedia? Drug dealers (the writers of the articles), tainted drugs (the content of the articles), corrupt law enforcement (the administrators of Wikipedia and its owner Jummy Wales), or addicts (the consumers of the articles, persons looking for a quick, free and easy to find "fix" of information). And if the drugs were made pure, does that excuse the addicts and dealers? Surely the core problem is the existence of the addicts.

Just as in real life, a lot of the "dealers" find they become "addicts" - most of the readers of obscure articles are limited to those who edit them, and edit war on them, and argue endlessly about their content.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

I expanded the religion section under "Urartu"

That article is owned by a wikipedia administrator who is notorious for both his extreme bias and extreme rudeness.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Great Inventions of Azerbaijani Wikipedia

Azerbaijani propagandists have also been very active on the Russian-language wikipedia. They had been operating an "Azerbaijani mailing list" to coordinate their edits and revert edits made by others, and to vote for certain persons to be made administrators. http://ru.wikipedia.org/. There is a rough English translation here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ti...Canens/sandbox but I'm wondering if the actual mailing list text exists anywhere?

About a year or two ago there was a similar scandal involving the English wikipedia, called the Eastern European Mailing list, in which certain editors and administrators pre-organised their edits and worked to get opposing editors banned. It was pro-Georgian anti-Russian. Wikipedia administrator Sandstein was mentioned in it, he is also very active in banning persons editing Armenia-related articles and has a very pronounced bias towards Azerbaijani propaganda and its propagandists.