Persian Campaign, 1914-18

[Mos]

Re: Persian Campaign, 1914-18

If you mean on a national level (as opposed to some groups of ethnic Turkish or Kurdish inhabitants of Persia) what reference do you have that says Persians were fighting against Russians and Armenians?

I have already mentioned this area of history in another thread, as a response to a post by Persepolis. http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....l=1#post313598

http://books.google.com/books?id=M3adD9kNH1gC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=%22World+War+I%22%2B%22Tangistan%22&source=bl&ots=fP73oKNOh7&sig=4pm1Rli8aYr87ev0T2t9YEAUbnQ&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#v=onepage&q&f=false

As I said my post was a question - I know Persians weren't fighting against Armenians directly, I was just asking about their involvement during WWI.

and you shouldn't be talking when it comes to being a loud mouth - your level of anti-Armenian propaganda here is biblical.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Persian Campaign, 1914-18

http://books.google.com/books?id=M3a...page&q&f=false

As I said my post was a question - I know Persians weren't fighting against Armenians directly, I was just asking about their involvement during WWI.

Your original words:

...which involved Persians, Germans, and Turks fighting against Russians, Armenians...

So you were loud then, but have got quieter now (after I challenged you - and I will continue to challenge you and your cronies).

I know Persians weren't fighting against Armenians directly

I don't see much on topic in the book you cite. And all I see in chapter 3 is the usual Islamist apologist propaganda (though I doubt that you would have the insight to see it as such).

For example, page 34: "In December 1914 a Russian advance towards Erzurum was countered". A complete lie - there was no such advance! This is standard Turkish propaganda, intended to portray the Ottoman empire as a victim. "At the battle of Sarikamish...." - not a mention that this was a "Turkish advance" into Russian territory, again it is written in a way intended to depict the Ottoman empire as a victim of aggression, rather than being the aggressor. And then it says that after the Sarikamish defeat "The Ottomans decided to reinforce their southern borders and transferred a major portion of their forces to Tabriz on January 14th". I thought that propaganda was at least meant to be passibly believable! This text is actually implying that the invasion of Iran was a result of the Sarikikamish defeat - I suppose it thinks its readers too stupid to question how less than a week after a major defeat Turkey was able to reorganise its almost obliterated army and change direction. This January 1915 invasion of Persia was actually by forces not involved at Sarikamish and was done to reinforce captured Tabriz which had already been occupied by Turkish and Kurdish irregular forces. "The Russian troops avoided confrontation with the Ottomans in Tabriz and evacuated the city". A complete lie! There were no Russian troops to withdraw, they had all been withdrawn in December 1914. Page 35 isn't shown, but I'd be surprised, given the content of page 34, if it mentions anything about the massacres committed against the Christian populations of the Tabriz and Urmia regions.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Persian Campaign, 1914-18

Asking me for a source on a thing which I did not claim, well that's something new.

I didn't ask you for a source, Mukuch did, in response to your trolling!
But, just as I had predicted, all we hear from Tigranakert is his obnoxious loud mouth - and no sources!

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Persian Campaign, 1914-18

...I'd be surprised, given the content of page 34, if it mentions anything about the massacres committed against the Christian populations of the Tabriz and Urmia regions.

April 24, 2011
PanARMENIAN.Net -

From Simon Sako Simonian, an Armenian man, on behalf of his father,
Nerses, and grandparents, Johnny and Golanbar:
"My Grandfather, Johnny, and my Grandmother, Golanbar, lived in Orumieh, a city in Iran close
to the Turkish border. They had been blessed with four children (one
of them named Nerses, my Father). My Grandfather was a well-educated
and knowledgeable person. He was fluent in more than 12 languages, as
well as one of the few people at that time who was able to properly
and accurately translate and describe the Bible. He was a respected
man - a religious man devoted to God. He was so highly respected that
whenever the Consul of the U.S. would go there, he would always
request to meet with my Grandfather.

During the Armenian Genocide, the Shah (King) of Iran was a very weak
person; therefore the Turks were able to enter Iran and do the mass
killing and elimination of Armenians and Christians in that area.

One day, during the dark years of the Armenian Genocide, a group of
Turkish soldiers knocked my Grandfather's door. One of the Turkish
soldiers told my Grandfather that they were going to kill him and that
he should speak now or never if he had any requests. My Grandfather
said that his only wish is for them to let him pray just one more
time. He was allowed to step forward to the courtyard for his prayer.
As soon as he raised his hands towards the sky to God to start his
prayer, he was shot and killed from behind.

He was shot and killed from behind, without a single word of prayer
being spoken from his lips. They also killed my Grandmother.

The four children, one of them being Nerses, were hiding. When this
occurred, they fled out and joined the crowd in the street running
away as fast as they could. All four children ranged anywhere from 10
to 16 years old. During this time, my father, Nerses, caught a severe
cold since he was out in the cold for 20 to 25 days. Orumieh is cold,
especially during the time of this occurrence. However, my father was
soon taken in and cared for by the Presbyterian Church in Iran, where
he was cared for a few years.

Sadly, he was still not feeling well, and soon developed a kidney
malfunction. In 1929, regardless of his fragile state, he married
Sophia, the love of his life in Masjed Suleiman, which is a city
located in the southwest region of Iran.

My father passed away at the young age of 38, when I was only two
years old. He left behind his written testimony - his terrifying and
heartbreaking memories of the Armenian Genocide. This is why I can
share all this with you today."