Workshop on the social and economic history of Mardin and the region

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Workshop on the social and economic history of Mardin and the region

Bell, do you have any "before and after" pics you might share with us?
The points you are making need to be recognized so that restoration are done appropriately and can be recognized that these issues are addressed for the right reasons.
Perchance, armed with understanding these fountains can be redone in the appropriate manner or that consideration can be taken up by the more responsible.
Thanks for the insight.
Artashes

There was an earthquake there in 2010 which damaged parts of the fountains, but that damage could have been easily and cheaply repaired while still retaining their original aspect. I don't have pictures from before the earthquake (and I've still to sort the pictures I took in 2011 but will see what I can find).

Restorations are almost always destructive and are nowadays generally considered to be unacceptable interventions except in exceptional circumstances. A restoration is not the same as conservation, and the goal of modern conservation methods is to always preserve what is there, and not to add new things that damage or destroy what is there. "What is there" also includes the atmosphere of the place, and the traces that show the history of the monument (such as old alterations or repairs done to it, or damage that has befallen it). Restorations done purely for political reasons (the Hrant Dink Foundation is quite open about having done it for that reason) are by far the worst of all. The Hrant Dink Foundation has just used these monuments as a convenient tool to use for its own self-aggrandisement and political advancement - it never had a real concern for the actual monuments. Their website doesn't even use the Armenian name for the village, it uses the Kurdified version of it.

[Artashes]

Re: Workshop on the social and economic history of Mardin and the region

I see rather too many of the usual corrupt suspects.

There must be barrels of EU money lubricating it all and so there is now a feeding frenzy.

The Hrant Dink Foundation was responsible this year for the destruction of the historical Armenian fountains in Havav near Kovancilar. I was fortunate to see the fountains a year earlier, just before the destruction began. They tore down so much of the original stonework and rebuilt them so badly using modern materials and machine-cut stone that the fountains now look like entirely new constructions. They now are very ugly and all their former value as historic and picturesque monuments has gone. But those involved made lots of money and now have lots of ticks on their cv's that will help them access even more money in the future - and that is all that matters to them.

Bell, do you have any "before and after" pics you might share with us?
The points you are making need to be recognized so that restoration are done appropriately and can be recognized that these issues are addressed for the right reasons.
Perchance, armed with understanding these fountains can be redone in the appropriate manner or that consideration can be taken up by the more responsible.
Thanks for the insight.
Artashes

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Workshop on the social and economic history of Mardin and the region

Apparently you can watch the conference from the Hrant Dink Foundation's website but the video isn't loading for me. I guess they're live streaming? Perhaps they'll upload everything later on.

Workshop on the Social and Economic History of Mardin and the Region
2-3 November 2012 - Erdoba Elegance Hotel Conference Room, Mardin

I see rather too many of the usual corrupt suspects.

There must be barrels of EU money lubricating it all and so there is now a feeding frenzy.

The Hrant Dink Foundation was responsible this year for the destruction of the historical Armenian fountains in Havav near Kovancilar. I was fortunate to see the fountains a year earlier, just before the destruction began. They tore down so much of the original stonework and rebuilt them so badly using modern materials and machine-cut stone that the fountains now look like entirely new constructions. They now are very ugly and all their former value as historic and picturesque monuments has gone. But those involved made lots of money and now have lots of ticks on their cv's that will help them access even more money in the future - and that is all that matters to them.

[Artashes]

Re: Workshop on the social and economic history of Mardin and the region

To remember the reality of the HORROR that our family and so many other families have experienced from day one since they approached our land is one aspect of being Armenian.
All these topics of discussion in your above post is like for me to once again look into my family "Album" and see and relive that heartless , inhuman ... And the horror , grief, and - Utter - - - ???? (sorry can't find a word ).
And so --- I am once again very interested in seeing (and reliving) what happened (Irrefutebly).
I'm computer weak. When I push the "blue writing" for H. D. , I then see words say "push here for English" but that action is not operating and disallows me to do that(damn).
Can anyone tell me how to accomplished through possibly another channel, angle, etc.?
Thanks for the post.
Artashes

Thanks to whoever that did whatever. I know can follow these discussions in English.
Thanks again
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Workshop on the social and economic history of Mardin and the region

To remember the reality of the HORROR that our family and so many other families have experienced from day one since they approached our land is one aspect of being Armenian.
All these topics of discussion in your above post is like for me to once again look into my family "Album" and see and relive that heartless , inhuman ... And the horror , grief, and - Utter - - - ???? (sorry can't find a word ).
And so --- I am once again very interested in seeing (and reliving) what happened (Irrefutebly).
I'm computer weak. When I push the "blue writing" for H. D. , I then see words say "push here for English" but that action is not operating and disallows me to do that(damn).
Can anyone tell me how to accomplished through possibly another channel, angle, etc.?
Thanks for the post.
Artashes

[TomServo]

Apparently you can watch the conference from the Hrant Dink Foundation's website but the video isn't loading for me. I guess they're live streaming? Perhaps they'll upload everything later on.

Workshop on the Social and Economic History of Mardin and the Region
2-3 November 2012 - Erdoba Elegance Hotel Conference Room, Mardin

Friday, November 2
Registration and Opening of the Workshop (10:30-11:30)

Welcome address by Rakel Dink, Hrant Dink Foundation

Opening speeches by
Evgil Türker, President of the Federation of Syriac Associations
Cengiz Aktar, Hrant Dink Foundation

Keynote speech by
David Gaunt "The View from the roofs - what everyone in Mardin could
see
1915"

Lunch break (12:00-13:00)

I- General Panorama of Mardin and its Surroundings
Panel 1 (13:00-14:30)
Chair: Suavi Ayd?n
Cafer Sar?kaya
"Looking at the Social and Economic History of Mardin and its
Periphery
from 1873 Vienna Universal Exposition"
Füsun Aliog(lu
"Traditional Houses of Mardin"
Osman Köker
"Population, Economy and Cultural Diversity in the Sandjak of Mardin
at
the beginning of the 20th Century"

Coffee break (14:30-15:00)

II- Ethnic Variety of the Region
Panel 2 (15:00-16:30)
Chair: Rober Koptas,
Ramazan Turgut
"Dom- The Lost Tribe"
Mehmet Ali Aslan
The M?hallemies : Mystery of Turabdin History"
Ara Sarafian
"Mapping Communities: Arisdages Devgants and his Report on Siirt,
1878"
Abdürrahim Özmen
"Memory and Life: Cases from Oral History of Turabdin Syriacs"

Saturday, November 3

III- Interferences and Emerging Nationalisms
Panel 3 (8:30-10:00)
Chair: I.s,aya Üs,ür
Elçin Macar
"The American Protestant Missionaries and their Institutions in
Mardin"
Eden Naby,
"Women Missionaries, Syriacs and Armenians in Mardin"
Michael Abdalla
"Mardin and its People between mid-19th Century and end of WWI:
Relations of Missionaries and Inhabitants"

Coffee break (10:00-10:30)

Panel 4 (10:30- 12:00)
Chair: Elçin Macar
Suavi Ayd?n
"Local Power Struggles during the Reign of Abdulhamid II and the
Constitutional Era in Turabdin: Tribes and Communities"
Andrew Palmer
"The Transformation of the Suryani Village of Maare into the Kurdish
village of Marin, circa 1840- 1915"
Nineb Lamassu
"The Ethnic Identity and National Renaissance of the Eski Süryanis"
Martin Tamcke
"On the way to the Bagdad-Railway: Germans in and on Mardin"

Lunch break (12:00-13:00)

IV-Violence, Pogrom and Genocide in Mardin
Panel 5 (13:00-15:00)
Chair: Ali Bayramog(lu
Naures Atto
"Syriac Orthodox Church Leadership during the Transition Period
(1918-1926) and the Removal of the Patriarchate from Turkey"
Suphi Aksoy
"The Massacres against Nestorians Committed by Bedirhan, the Bey of
Cizre, Nurullah, Bey of Hakkari, and the Other Kurdish Beys between
1843-1846"
Hilmar Kaizer
"Yezidi Sharkian Tribe and Urban Elites: The CUP's First Massacre."
Raymond Kévorkian
"Syriac and Armenian: A common fate in 1915"
Tuma Çelik
"Deportation of Nestorians from Hakkari in 1924"
Coffee break (15:00-15:30)

V-Post-traumatic survival
Panel 6 (15:30-17:30)
Chair: Ayhan Aktar
Ays,e Gül Alt?nay
Grandchildren in Mardin: Silencing and Remembering Islamized Armenians
Ramazan Aras
"Haunting Memories of Armenian Roots: Construction of Muslim Armenian
Identity in the post-1915 Era"
Ishkhan Chiftjian
"Some testimonies of Armenian and Syriac Genocide Survivors"
Aryo Makko
"Remembrances from Overseas Exile: The Late Ottoman Empire and the
Early
Republic of Turkey in the Discourses of Assyrian Emigrants, circa
1900--1938"
Lokman Sazan
"Oral History in Derik"

Coffee break (17:30-18:00)

General Evaluation and Discussions (18:00-19:00)
Chair: Cengiz Aktar
Recapitulation by David Gaunt