Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

[Lion1700]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

if you are right then show me map of colchis

The map of Kloxis is known - it is Imeretia (Western Georgia) and it is not lands near Trapezund...

[diaukhi]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

Sorry, but I think your information is incorrect and somewhat outdated. Hayasa included in its membership territory Trapizona and Armenians appeared in the top 3 of the millennium before Christ. So that the Greeks were not there pervimy to them there zhyli Armenians ...

As I told, Chaneti and Lazeti iz not Kolhida - there were south-west, than Kolhida...

if you are right then show me map of colchis

[Lion1700]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

Sorry, but I think your information is incorrect and somewhat outdated. Hayasa included in its membership territory Trapizona and Armenians appeared in the top 3 of the millennium before Christ. So that the Greeks were not there pervimy to them there zhyli Armenians ...

As I told, Chaneti and Lazeti iz not Kolhida - there were south-west, than Kolhida...

[diaukhi]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

i read on this forum that mamikonians were from chaneti and chaneti and lazeti is same, do you understand? and lazeti is part of colchis and cholchis (in georgian egrisi) was georgian kingdom

[SevSpitak]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

i don't say that trapizon is georgia, but lazeti was part of colchis and tao and klarjeti is meskhetia and meskhetia is georgian

Armenians lived in that territory a long before greec - for exsample, in time of Hayasa kingdom... Շատ հայրենանվեր դիրքորոշում է, խոսքեր չունեմ...

Hayasa was south of the Pontic Mountains, between Sebastia and Kars, north of Mush and Van, not around Trebizond. Trebizond was first founded as Trapezus, a Greek colony. We have no idea who lived there before this, but one thing is for sure, it was not Armenians. Our nation was formed around the time Trapezus was established.

I will admit, though, that I've read that it was, at some point, organized under Armenia Minor (as its capital), but I have to look into this more. However, I am sure we didn't hold the city for very long.

Colchis was a state that existed in the western parts of modern-day Georgia (~ Guria, Imereti, Samegrelo-Zemo Svaneti, Abkhazia, Adjaria), not Trapezus. (Colchis = Lazika) Never was Trebizond under Georgian (Karvelo-Colchian) rule. It was always a Greek state, with a considerable amount of Laz/Colchian population.

[diaukhi]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

Trapezus/Trebizond/Trapizon/Trabzon was never under Georgian nor Armenian rule, ever. It was a Pontic city, ruled by Pontic Greeks for most of its history (Pontus, Empire of Trebizond). Pontic Greeks lived there, alongside the Lazuri/Laz people (a people related to Georgians), and later Hamshen Armenians if I'm not mistaken. It was never a territory of the Kartvelian kingdom, nor was it part of Armenia Minor (little Hayk), nor Armenia Major, nor Tigran's empire. Armenia's border was limited to the Pontic Mountains south of Trebizond. It was later incorporated within the Ottoman Empire, but it had little influence in the region because Turks were practically inexistent there until recently. The only time the city came remotely close to being part of an Armenian state was under the Treaty of Sèvres in 1920. Of course, both the Armenian and Georgian/Karvelian kingdoms had managed to impose their influence on the region sometime in history.

i don't say that trapizon is georgia, but lazeti was part of colchis and tao and klarjeti is meskhetia and meskhetia is georgian

[Lion1700]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

Armenians lived in that territory a long before greec - for exsample, in time of Hayasa kingdom... Շատ հայրենանվեր դիրքորոշում է, խոսքեր չունեմ...

[SevSpitak]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

you are wright chaneti or lazeti is in turkey now, but is part of georgian kingdom colchis and georgians (lazs, imerkhevians, shavhsetians, adjarians and meskhetias) still lives there

Trapizon iz in a teritory of Little Haik. By the way, du you speak russian?

Trapezus/Trebizond/Trapizon/Trabzon was never under Georgian nor Armenian rule, ever. It was a Pontic city, ruled by Pontic Greeks for most of its history (Pontus, Empire of Trebizond). Pontic Greeks lived there, alongside the Lazuri/Laz people (a people related to Georgians), and later Hamshen Armenians if I'm not mistaken. It was never a territory of the Kartvelian kingdom, nor was it part of Armenia Minor (little Hayk), nor Armenia Major, nor Tigran's empire. Armenia's border was limited to the Pontic Mountains south of Trebizond. It was later incorporated within the Ottoman Empire, but it had little influence in the region because Turks were practically inexistent there until recently. The only time the city came remotely close to being part of an Armenian state was under the Treaty of Sèvres in 1920. Of course, both the Armenian and Georgian/Karvelian kingdoms had managed to impose their influence on the region sometime in history.

[Lion1700]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

you are wright chaneti or lazeti is in turkey now, but is part of georgian kingdom colchis and georgians (lazs, imerkhevians, shavhsetians, adjarians and meskhetias) still lives there

Trapizon iz in a teritory of Little Haik. By the way, du you speak russian?

[diaukhi]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

you are wright chaneti or lazeti is in turkey now, but is part of georgian kingdom colchis and georgians (lazs, imerkhevians, shavhsetians, adjarians and meskhetias) still lives there