Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

[Vagharshapat]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

You are welcome...

This one is from wikipedia;

"Today, some historians are of the opinion that the Mamikonians were probably descended from chieftans of the Tzans (Chanik - Ճանիք/Ճենիք - in medieval Armenian, Tzannoi in medieval Greek). The Tzans[3] were a tribe that once inhabited a mountainous region to the south of Trebizond. They postulate that the tradition of the Chinese origin arose out of the similarity of the name Chanik to the Armenian word for China, Chen-k."

[ARK]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

Thanks Vagharshapat. It was so interesting.

[Sip]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

Very interesting stuff Vagharshapat.

[Vagharshapat]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

I have searched a while and I encountered something interesting. This source was suggesting that there was a misinterpretion about Mamikonians being Chinese. Infact they were Tzanics. Tzans were one of Pontos tribes. They were living in the region of Tayk. These Tzans were also referred as Chans. These Chans were confused with Chinese by some historians because of the similarity of the names. The Mamikonians could be members of Tzans.

It is supposed that Mamikonians came to Armenia in the 3rd century but this can't be true. Because one of the first members of the Mamikonian house; Mancaeus had fought against the Romans to defend Tigranakerta in 69BC.
Mamik and Konak were said to be sons of Chenbakur. Infact it was not a name but a title. 'Chen' must be Chan(Tzan). And according to Moses Khorenatsi, 'Bakur' was 'Bag-Puhr' meaning 'son of heavens' in Iranian language family. Tzanica kings had this title.

Mamik and Konak were exiled to Dersim region by the Parths. Today the people of Dersim also call the region Mamekiye(Mamakan). Even tough today's Kurds consider Dersimis Kurdish, Dersimis don't consider themselves Kurdish. They consider themselves Kirmanchi. And they are not muslims, they are called Kizilbash. Kizilbash belief is based on Zoroastrianism.

In the time of the genocide when the Kurds were murdering the Armenians, the Dersimis helped the Armenians and protected them. Like 30,000 Armenians took refuge in Dersim region. Today there are lots of crypto-Armenians in Dersim. Maybe these are all related, I don't know if it is true but I found it interesting...

[MrLeftyHye]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

Stop that LOL.
In the words you would understand...HAJIMA.

[Jinx]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

Not for me. It's cause I'm chinese like Vartan.

[MrLeftyHye]

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Chop - Sticks are very hard to eat with.

[Jinx]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

I like chop-sticks

[MrLeftyHye]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

Va Tan Ma Mi Kon Yan.

Hajima!

[TomServo]

Re: Vartan Mamikonian was Chinese ??

Va Tan Ma Mi Kon Yan.