A family name and a province in pre-Christian Armenia

[Moogey]

Hello...

This is what someone told me from lessons they learnt in Armenia: that there was a province during Pre-Christian times called Chahbaz, situated on the border between Persia and Armenia.

The reason? I am researching the roots of my maiden name, Chahbaz. There are different explanations, and this particular one really intrigues me. I have never found any reference to a province of that name.

Can anyone enlighten me about the province, or the name?

I'll tell you the other explanations another time - if I don't find out any more, I'm going to choose the most colourful one. Why not?

Moogey

[ARK]

Re: A family name and a province in pre-Christian Armenia

Hello...

This is what someone told me from lessons they learnt in Armenia: that there was a province during Pre-Christian times called Chahbaz, situated on the border between Persia and Armenia.

The reason? I am researching the roots of my maiden name, Chahbaz. There are different explanations, and this particular one really intrigues me. I have never found any reference to a province of that name.

Can anyone enlighten me about the province, or the name?

I'll tell you the other explanations another time - if I don't find out any more, I'm going to choose the most colourful one. Why not?

Moogey

i've never heard of that province but chahbaz or shahbaz comes from persian.

[Moogey]

Re: A family name and a province in pre-Christian Armenia

Thanks for replying. Are you from Armenia? Maybe someone in an Armenian school has heard of it. I'm not giving up yet.

Moogey

[ARK]

Re: A family name and a province in pre-Christian Armenia

Thanks for replying. Are you from Armenia? Maybe someone in an Armenian school has heard of it. I'm not giving up yet.

Moogey

no, i'm from Iran but i'm gonna observe iranian map(the one with more details)

[ARK]

Re: A family name and a province in pre-Christian Armenia

I did not find such a province but maybe, it's a town or a village.

[Yedtarts]

Re: A family name and a province in pre-Christian Armenia

My mother's side of the family believe that their family name use to be “Shahbaz” or "Shabazian” they also belive that it use to be a family of nobles as “Pagradounis” “Adrounis” and so on, but they believe that they were from Ani region, it is also very possible that they were originally from that Zahbaz province, if such provice existed since they carry the name “Shabaz” who knows?

[Moogey]

Re: A family name and a province in pre-Christian Armenia

My mother's side of the family believe that their family name use to be “Shahbaz” or "Shabazian” they also belive that it use to be a family of nobles as “Pagradounis” “Adrounis” and so on, but they believe that they were from Ani region, it is also very possible that they were originally from that Zahbaz province, if such provice existed since they carry the name “Shabaz” who knows?

This is very interesting. There was King Abbas Bagratuni (928-951) and the Haghbat monastery dates from that time. the Bagratunis ruled from 9th to 11th centuries in the part of Armenia you mention, round Ani, but when Armenia was invaded by the Seljuks and Barbaric nomads, they exchanged lands, and moved to Anatolia and Cilician Armenia. My father came from Cilicia. Mystery is where the Shah comes in. A Persian influence, probably. the Catholicosate of Etchmiadzin was also moved to Cilicia at that time.

Can you discover more about the Chahbaz or Shahbaz family?

Moogey

[dani87]

Re: A family name and a province in pre-Christian Armenia

shahbaz is a bird.....but it's also a name of a god in persian mytologi...thats all i know

[dani87]

Re: A family name and a province in pre-Christian Armenia

http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Rediscovering_Armenia_Guidebook-_Martakert_Region

i googled for shahbaz... ......this is what i found out about shahbaz::From the link ------:: The inscription on a stone, which once has served as the squared-beam for the portal, informs that the chapel was built in 1187, under the guardianship of Khachen’s princes. Next to the chapel there are two ancient cemeteries, church Anapat, numerous khachkars. A little away stretch villages, ruins of cult constructions and mills. The following villages are known:Machegh, Pmenshen, Tkhakhor, Shahbaz, Khorastan.

[dani87]

Re: A family name and a province in pre-Christian Armenia

The rubâb is a short-necked lute that is plucked with a plectrum called a shahbaz. some more useless info