If Armenians stayed Zoroastrian...

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Cut the drugs.

Well, I can explain, Bolshevik Junior. You see I had a 'premonition' of a future war that will be fought between Armenians and Georgians. OK, Stalin wannabe?

[Կարմիր Բ]

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THE ARMENIAN-GEORGIAN WAR OF 41918

Cut the drugs.

[KarotheGreat]

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The Egyptian mamluks of Kurdish descent? - you're mixing up the mamluks and the Ayyubids, my friend.

The Egyptian mamluks were originally recruited from Kipchaq Turks and Circassians, allthough in later centuries, most mamluks were recruited from Georgians and Armenians.

However, you're quite right about them being really harsh on the Christians, and the Egyptian mamluks indeed conquered the Holy Land after they attacked and defeated the Mongols there.



Mamluks were the slave-soldiers that were commonly trained and used in the Muslim world.

Many Muslim rulers throughout the Muslim world recruited slave boys that were then converted to Islam and trained as soldiers.

However, it wasn't uncommon for such slave soldiers to overthrow their masters at some point, and that's exactly what happened in Egypt in 1254; the mamluks there overthrew and killed the Ayyubid sultan al-Ashraf II.

Evreything you have said is right except the part about the armenians. the Armenian Kingdom and the mameluks were enemies andI don't think they would accept armenians and I have never heard that part about the Armenians before


Karo

[karoaper]

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Ok, I checked and indeed I was wrong about Mamluks being of Kurdish decent. However, the Mamluk order was heavily used by Salladin's sons, which is where I must have been confused. Thanks for the correction.

But, I wonder where did you read that Mamluks recruited Armenian boys? I haven't seen anything suggesting this. It doesn't make sense especially since Mamluks had warred with the Armenian kingdom of Kilikia, and my understanding is that the young boys were taken from peoples with whom they had normal relationships.

At any rate, there can't even be a comparison between the Georgian involvement in that organization, what with Georgians Usman and Ibrahim Beg becoming Mamluk rulers, and that of Armenians.

[Ardashir]

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Rulers of Egypt, who were initially of Kurdish ancestry. They also ruled over the Holy Land, and were very hard on Christians. They brought in droves of Turkish, and apparently, Georgian (which I didn't know) slaves, who were promoted and at different points in time became the ruling families themselves.

The Egyptian mamluks of Kurdish descent? - you're mixing up the mamluks and the Ayyubids, my friend.

The Egyptian mamluks were originally recruited from Kipchaq Turks and Circassians, allthough in later centuries, most mamluks were recruited from Georgians and Armenians.

However, you're quite right about them being really harsh on the Christians, and the Egyptian mamluks indeed conquered the Holy Land after they attacked and defeated the Mongols there.

Sorry, but who are the Mamluks?

Mamluks were the slave-soldiers that were commonly trained and used in the Muslim world.

Many Muslim rulers throughout the Muslim world recruited slave boys that were then converted to Islam and trained as soldiers.

However, it wasn't uncommon for such slave soldiers to overthrow their masters at some point, and that's exactly what happened in Egypt in 1254; the mamluks there overthrew and killed the Ayyubid sultan al-Ashraf II.

[Aramis63]

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I wouldn’t compare it with Georgians, for the simple reason that the scums called Georgians, are just Christian Turks (georgian is an alias) and unlike Persians, they have ALWAYS been hostile to us… Thus, without Christianity, we would have been assimilated easily to muslum Iranians …

And georgians always backstabbed us.

But am proud that we had our own gods.

By the way...just recall the birth of Vahagn....this alone gives me proof that our ancestors had very high and close knowledge of what they call now chi kung.

Combination of heaven's energy (yang) and earth's energy ( yin) gives life.

But they burnt our ancient text, when we turned Christians, yes?

[karoaper]

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Sorry, but who are the Mamluks?

Rulers of Egypt, who were initially of Kurdish ancestry. They also ruled over the Holy Land, and were very hard on Christians. They brought in droves of Turkish, and apparently, Georgian (which I didn't know) slaves, who were promoted and at different points in time became the ruling families themselves.

[Կարմիր Բ]

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If Armenians remained Zoroastrians I reckon that we would be part of Iran right now and we would have an Iranian ethnic consciousness. The reason why Armenia managed to create a distinct national identity was, apart the language, because we had our own head of Church and sect of Christianity, meaning that they took no order from the Vatican and Constantinople. Gregorian Christianity and our independent Church is why there are Armenians today.